15:07:05 <ChipMaster> Hi guys! Is there anyway to transfer "logins" from FF to SM?
15:29:42 <CoordinatorTobin> ChipMaster: depends
15:29:51 <CoordinatorTobin> overall the answer is no
15:30:10 <CoordinatorTobin> but if conditions are correct.. it can be done anyway
15:30:31 <CoordinatorTobin> biggest factor is the reletive closeless of the profiles between the two applications
15:30:32 <njsg_> I'm not sure about the password storage file format
15:30:32 <ChipMaster> What are the "correct conditions"?
15:30:37 <CoordinatorTobin> and the actual nss format stored
15:31:11 <CoordinatorTobin> back in the day this was tivial because everyone was all basically using the same versions if not identical code state everyone else was
15:31:15 <CoordinatorTobin> now it is harder
15:32:18 <CoordinatorTobin> in general profiles are not backwards compatible but what version of firefox are you trying to come from and do you perhaps have an earlier backup
15:32:20 <ChipMaster> I'm moving from FF 102, which has "version: 3" in the JSON file. I notice SM has 2.
15:32:44 <CoordinatorTobin> it is not JUST signons.json
15:32:49 <njsg_> best case is backup profile then copy key/login files over; not sure if master password needs to be cleared first if set (just the password) and then it would magically work
15:32:52 <CoordinatorTobin> but also key8/9.db
15:32:57 <ChipMaster> And... no any earlier backup would likely need to be years earlier.
15:33:03 <frg_Away> copy logins.json key4.db and cert9.db from your profile. Not sure if the current versions are compatible but you will find out. Do a backup in all cases.
15:33:19 <CoordinatorTobin> ChipMaster: isn't there an extension to export and import passwords?
15:33:20 <njsg_> but I doubt we're at best case, problem here is indeed versions
15:33:42 <njsg_> CoordinatorTobin: well, at this point, it'd probably have to be two :-\
15:33:54 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: yeah i was GETTING to that just offering background warnings i been too effectively trained by
15:33:55 <njsg_> I mean, to export in webext-only-firefox...
15:33:57 <ChipMaster> I can export CSV from FF. I saw mentions of an extension to export. I did not find anything mentioning import.
15:34:27 <frg_Away> ChipMaster there was some discussion in mozillaZine.
15:34:30 <CoordinatorTobin> the Pale Moon version may work in SM
15:34:38 <njsg_> ChipMaster: "import" in this case would most likely be 1) close SeaMonkey 2) copy files over to your profile, replacing existing (or move existing elsewhere first) 2) start SeaMonkey again
15:34:43 <CoordinatorTobin> and read from the webex export
15:34:45 <njsg_> and then hopefully it'd be all "imported"
15:35:34 <CoordinatorTobin> yes manual profile mangling in this case is best chance for success like frg_Away said try key9.db/cert9.db/logins.json
15:35:54 <frg_Away> key4
15:35:58 <CoordinatorTobin> (used to be key8 and signons.sqlite before json signons
15:36:03 <CoordinatorTobin> sorry
15:36:21 <CoordinatorTobin> key 3 and cert 8 or key4 and cert9
15:36:27 <ChipMaster> frg_Away: since SM creates key3... would it even look for a key4?
15:36:47 <CoordinatorTobin> ignore older 8 and 4 and any signons.sqlite JUST 9 4 and logons.son
15:37:37 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: did mozilla not ever clean up the old profile files?
15:39:35 <ChipMaster> Well... this looks like a non-starter, but I'll give this a try and report back. I have disconnect to do this...
15:40:59 <CoordinatorTobin> k.. frg_Away we are gonna add a damned guide with screenshots and links and i am gonna put it on that resource site
15:41:12 <CoordinatorTobin> for 8 years this question has been asked over and over
15:41:44 <CoordinatorTobin> with our collective fractured state profile mangiling and forcing interop is gonna be a key thing some will want to do
15:42:23 <CoordinatorTobin> so I think a series of posts explaining the mozilla profile and what elements CAN be mangled in and out and what .. RESOURCES are available for data import and export
15:42:35 <CoordinatorTobin> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PERFECT THING TO BE WRITING ON THAT XUL SITE I RUN
15:43:41 <CoordinatorTobin> i mean the last time anyone wrote any technical details on the mozilla profile sitauation between forks was.. Me. 3 years ago.
15:45:38 <CoordinatorTobin> also with how programs and newer operating systems are trying to lock your data down and control it.. getting your crap in and our of our resective forks and projects as well as Firefox its self will be key to us all
15:45:45 <CoordinatorTobin> what do you say frg_Away
15:46:55 <CoordinatorTobin> ChipMaster: how did it go?
15:47:14 <ChipMaster> Well, I'll be switched! It worked.
15:47:20 <CoordinatorTobin> now hold on
15:47:28 <CoordinatorTobin> add remove and change passwords
15:47:35 <CoordinatorTobin> to make sure the db is functioning ok
15:47:45 <frg_Away> CoordinatorTobin My problem is time and better lack of it. Wanted to do more docunetation for some time again. My VS20xx setup guides are also forever work in progress
15:47:58 <ChipMaster> What I can't figure out: I know when I first tried moving "logins.json" my SM profile had key3.db. But when I looked this time it had key4.
15:48:01 <CoordinatorTobin> i have personally seen small glitches happen which is why historically i wouldn't assist with frankenprofiles
15:48:22 <CoordinatorTobin> like i said before you deem success
15:48:29 <njsg_> but from what I understand ChipMaster was starting with a new profile
15:48:30 <CoordinatorTobin> add remove and change a password and restart several times
15:48:35 <CoordinatorTobin> just to make sure it is a-ok
15:48:44 <ChipMaster> Will do!
15:48:45 <njsg_> well, not new as of today, but recently new, given the Chatzilla issue
15:49:00 <frg_Away> ChipMaster nss update. key3 and cert8 should be removed if still there.
15:49:09 <ChipMaster> And, yes, njsg_, this is a freshish SM install.
15:49:14 <CoordinatorTobin> i just hope he didn't upgrade the wrong db
15:49:15 <njsg_> CoordinatorTobin: I think the website has documentation for profiles, that'd probably be a good place to add something about this
15:49:19 <CoordinatorTobin> and is getting any mismatches
15:49:54 <CoordinatorTobin> this is why we should work on crafting a definitive and tested proceedure for this and share it to the world so when people frankenprofile they at least have a guide to follow
15:50:01 <ChipMaster> And this is actually one of two SM installs. My computer is MUCH happier without all those gigs getting consumed with TB & FF.
15:50:40 <ChipMaster> Its sad when its considered "OK" that each app should take 1G of RAM. FF, SM, Crumb (chrome), Slack, ...
15:50:44 <frg_Away> ChipMaster well you need a second browser unfortunately. The web is moving faster than we.
15:51:10 <ChipMaster> Since web development is my current game... I'm well aware of that. ;-)
15:51:32 <njsg_> CoordinatorTobin: a problem with this would be confirming what the limits are exactly, what formats are supported, and what upgrade/migration paths are possible. probably means looking up in the mozillazine forum and in the newsgroups too
15:51:36 <ChipMaster> But SM works for most of what I do in terms of websites.
15:52:12 <njsg_> bbl
15:52:14 <ChipMaster> My bank on the other hand: JS drawn 2FA entry doesn't work. :-(
15:52:14 <CoordinatorTobin> njsg_: I have years of practical experience I just need to DO IT for a bunch of combos and nail it down.. my experience and intutition will help inform if it practically works
15:52:34 <ChipMaster> Off to do some testing...
15:52:34 <CoordinatorTobin> this is something I'd be willing to do sometime soon for the benefit of us all so it is nailed down and known
15:55:21 <CoordinatorTobin> from that research SM can distill down the relevant bits and load it up on the SM site somewhere as you njsg_ suggest cause you have SOME profile info already so that will be enhanced no doubt.
15:55:40 <CoordinatorTobin> cause i will surely take this way too far
15:55:41 <CoordinatorTobin> lol
15:56:09 <CoordinatorTobin> it's what I do :P
15:57:11 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: as for the web. yeah you do need both a true document navigator as WELL as a webapp browser
15:57:13 <CoordinatorTobin> to get by
15:57:20 <CoordinatorTobin> i simply cannot live on chromium alone
15:57:33 <CoordinatorTobin> it is too not enough of a document navigator anymore
15:57:38 <CoordinatorTobin> you guys know
16:00:17 <CoordinatorTobin> just rememeber njsg_ My scope is the ENTIRE mozillasphere which includes SeaMonkey because to me.. personally.. SeaMonkey is still why I believe I can do these things.
16:00:32 <frg_Away> Yes. Also keeping compatibility with 7 and 8.1 is still important for me.
16:01:05 <CoordinatorTobin> I am very on the fence about my how i should handle that
16:01:11 <CoordinatorTobin> and 32bit and windows in general
16:01:31 <CoordinatorTobin> part of me is with you and want to keep 7+ always
16:01:54 <CoordinatorTobin> but another part wants to just have win64 on LTSC 2019 and newer until window as a platform dies
16:02:02 <CoordinatorTobin> i remain conflicted about it
16:03:04 <CoordinatorTobin> i think I won't be bringing back Interlink 32bit builds
16:03:08 <ChipMaster> I've restarted, deleted and added passwords multiple times in random order and all seems good to go.
16:03:47 <CoordinatorTobin> or even connecting the AUS back up.. just do an appdata break and consider Interlink on UXPv4 as a pseudo-successor
16:03:51 <ChipMaster> To recap: I disable the master password in FF. Then copied cert9.db, key4.db and logins.json from my FFprofile to my SM profile.
16:04:08 <CoordinatorTobin> ChipMaster: that is the basic proceedure congrats dude
16:04:16 <CoordinatorTobin> seems like it went well
16:04:58 <ChipMaster> Thanks! And thanks for the help. This is a time saver.... although I'm wondering if I shouldn't have started fresh.... do I really need all 880 of those passwords still...?
16:05:29 <CoordinatorTobin> that is a decision you must make for your self. I'd say you got away with it. Go with it.
16:05:40 <ChipMaster> lol! I agree.
16:06:28 <ChipMaster> I find it interesting how computers and closets seem to share soooo much in common. The "stuff" just keeps stacking up. :-D
16:07:03 <CoordinatorTobin> my password store and bookmarks and cookies have been through firefox, seamonkey, pale moon, borealis, pale moon, newer firefox, waterfox, and back
16:07:14 <CoordinatorTobin> but i am just ASKING for corruption
16:07:17 <CoordinatorTobin> at that point
16:07:21 <CoordinatorTobin> over 15 years
16:07:29 <CoordinatorTobin> and so many forks and versions
16:07:45 <tomman> this SeaMonkey profile started life 15 years ago...
16:08:02 <CoordinatorTobin> I am an Advanced Mozilla Profile Mangler
16:08:03 <tomman> there is so much crud from deprecated files that sometimes I wonder if I should nuke it and start over
16:08:47 <CoordinatorTobin> and ChipMaster you are on your way too now.. sorry but it is addictive.. all things truely mozilla are.. not the webex or the photons.. but true mozilla tech the netscape shit.. it is addictive as hell and just be warned you MIGHT have a taste for it now
16:08:48 <ChipMaster> Mine has gone through Mozilla, FF and now SM.
16:09:12 <ChipMaster> lol. Fine with me.
16:09:39 <ChipMaster> I already migrated my address book from TB. That was easy.
16:10:14 <CoordinatorTobin> yeah i remember when I first merged a firefox and thunderbird profile back into a seamonkey one
16:10:19 <ChipMaster> Oh! Before I actually get to work stuff... I can't seem to find a way to password protect my passwords. What am I missing?
16:10:21 <CoordinatorTobin> it was harder back then
16:10:32 <CoordinatorTobin> the profile file formats and shit were FAR less resilliant
16:10:40 <ChipMaster> Never mind. Found it.
16:10:54 <CoordinatorTobin> Glad we could help lol
16:11:12 <ChipMaster> :))
16:12:35 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: do you still have the helpviewer?
16:13:11 <CoordinatorTobin> one day someone should rtf up some new halp files
16:13:15 <frg_Away> yes helpvier is still there. Unfortunately the help can not be translater via Pontoon
16:13:32 <CoordinatorTobin> what format does pontoon use?
16:13:39 <frg_Away> I update help now and then. A few others too.
16:13:54 <CoordinatorTobin> maybe could rig up a converter
16:14:31 <frg_Away> Biscally only good for properties dtd and ftl out of the box. Help files are not exposed.
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16:18:42 <CoordinatorTobin> hey i hear ted cruz might be gay.. any thoughts on that?
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16:19:17 <CoordinatorTobin> funny this happened on BinOC/Chat too
16:19:52 <CoordinatorTobin> does ted cruz have something to do with xul .. what am i missing?
16:20:59 <ChipMaster> Being new to IRC could someone explain what just happened there.
16:21:01 <ChipMaster> ?
16:21:11 <tomman> a deranged bot
16:21:19 <frg_Away> idiot discover the channel and is gone now
16:21:23 <tomman> also, who cares about Ted Cruz? I'm not even a USAian :P
16:21:26 <frg_Away> at leats under this ip
16:21:40 <CoordinatorTobin> does ted cruz even care about ted cruz at this point?
16:24:48 <ChipMaster> Strange.... I'm going to have to read up on the IRC protocol.
16:25:00 <CoordinatorTobin> ChipMaster: it's just a spam bot
16:25:22 <ChipMaster> Thanks again for the help guys. I have work to attend...
16:25:34 <CoordinatorTobin> someone who obviously feels they are not being listened to in their glorious cause to inform the general public of ted cruz's supposed gayness
16:26:36 <jonadab> I think I've heard the name "Ted Cruz" at some point before, but I honestly have no idea when or in what circumstances.
16:26:43 <CoordinatorTobin> this is why ChipMaster is cool.. HE knows when to stop obsessing and get to work.. I should do the same!
16:27:13 <CoordinatorTobin> jonadab: american republican politician
16:27:19 <ChipMaster> :))
16:27:42 <CoordinatorTobin> N
16:27:55 <CoordinatorTobin> anywhoo
16:28:03 <CoordinatorTobin> what was I on about
16:28:12 <CoordinatorTobin> oh yeah converter from dtd to halp rtf
16:28:34 <jonadab> CoordinatorTobin: Ok, but we have thousands of politicians, and almost half of them are Republicans.
16:28:36 <CoordinatorTobin> would it be worth looking into the possibility without actually doing anything much frg_Away
16:29:08 <jonadab> And I'm only so much into politics.  I mean, I follow the _really major_ stuff...
16:29:09 <CoordinatorTobin> jonadab: in the US half the republicans are democrats the other half are too dumb to look to anyone else but trump
16:29:27 <jonadab> I do know about Trump.  Unfortunately.
16:29:45 <jonadab> I keep hoping someone else will get the nomination, but...
16:29:47 <CoordinatorTobin> well not gonna get into one of those discussions.. today anyway..
16:29:49 <frg_Away> CoordinatorTobin update/translate help? Not worth it. Pontoon is not made for this.
16:30:34 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: maybe just end the help viewer or just rip out the guts and make it a thin browser window using remote content
16:30:41 <CoordinatorTobin> same ui
16:31:01 <jonadab> I will say, Trump's first term in office did not go as badly as I expected, though that's not a very high bar.  Same is true of Biden incidentally.
16:31:08 <CoordinatorTobin> i'd be interested in that for my self actually frg_Away
16:32:09 <CoordinatorTobin> so then the question is would you want a copy too lol
16:32:29 <frg_Away> CoordinatorTobin That is actually what IanN and I discussed. Do a browser windows and just use html help in it either served locally or via url. I don't have the knowledge/time to do this fast or anytime soon.
16:32:49 <CoordinatorTobin> that is a fantastic idea
16:33:01 <CoordinatorTobin> one that I can do and easily translate up to your codebase
16:33:32 <CoordinatorTobin> hell I'll make a standalone too lol
16:33:37 <CoordinatorTobin> why not
16:34:03 <CoordinatorTobin> but first service SM
16:34:57 <CoordinatorTobin> yeah that sounds fun actually frg_Away
16:36:44 <CoordinatorTobin> basic browser .. content scope.. needs a content area click handler and .. i need to download seamonkey and run the thing
16:36:45 <frg_Away> Well sidebar help and sessionstore are the three areas needing an overhaul. I suspect we already broke some stuff in the sidebar and no one noticed.
16:37:46 <CoordinatorTobin> session store i have a vested intrest in cause I am weaker in that area and borealis's is weaker still lol
16:38:34 <CoordinatorTobin> and the sidebar for both of us needs work as well .. so yeah i guess I will be assisting more than i thought
16:50:21 <frg_Away> sessionstore is just finding some time and applying mozilla stuff mostly. Sidebar needs to be evaluated what should be kept. Unlike the library replacing the old bookmarks manager the barbone Fx bar is a bit too barebone for my taste so no 1:1 ripout
16:51:10 <CoordinatorTobin> the search tab has never worked properly since toolkit transition
16:51:14 <CoordinatorTobin> i killed it in mine
16:51:58 <CoordinatorTobin> unless you are gonna try and apply reader tech to search results or some other kind of filtering so they actually fit and are useful in a sidebar.. just kill it is my recommendation frg_Away
16:52:37 <frg_Away> We fixed it a bit but search results in the sidebar are gone forever
16:53:15 <frg_Away> But you can search from it.
16:53:43 <CoordinatorTobin> yeah i would focus on putting more functionality into the sidebar.. reduced restyled overlays for add-ons manager, downloads, etc
16:53:58 <CoordinatorTobin> shit people would use a sidebar for in this day and age even on a traditional as fuck ui
16:54:22 <CoordinatorTobin> in the same way the places powered ones are
16:54:26 <frg_Away> I used it long ago but no more.
16:54:52 <CoordinatorTobin> if you want sidebar search in a real way tho it likely needs to be rebuilt from the ground up
16:55:04 <CoordinatorTobin> maybe forcing mobile on search results page
16:55:09 <CoordinatorTobin> and some additional styling
16:55:14 <CoordinatorTobin> fixups
16:55:16 <frg_Away> yes backend stuff for this is all gone
16:55:38 <CoordinatorTobin> for me not AS much but almost for me too yeah
16:56:17 <CoordinatorTobin> luckily with a UXP suite happening Moonbeast won't be so quick to rip communicator tech out from under consumers of that codebase
16:56:37 <CoordinatorTobin> which I am least for now
16:57:38 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: i'd be interested to see just what this codebase of yours can do once you are no longer so tied to hg replay
16:59:20 <CoordinatorTobin> cause I am not discounting that I might simply jump Interlink to the SeaMonkey codebase depending on if it remains in demand and if the mailnews core I got can service them properly
17:01:09 <CoordinatorTobin> also depends on if i can fix the flaw between uxpv4 and v6 for interlink if I can't then I will rebase and restart Interlink on SM's platform codebase
17:56:43 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: you got some issues here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091572226748321833/1158824198152663090/image.png?ex=651da6a2&is=651c5522&hm=91431977c43d450418d4eaadba12c436d1627251802f3c823a7d9aac07e58e61&
17:57:30 <frg_Away> CoordinatorTobin Server 2012?
17:57:50 <CoordinatorTobin> LTSC 2019
17:57:55 <CoordinatorTobin> 1809
17:57:56 <CoordinatorTobin> ..
17:57:58 <frg_Away> Oh no looks like 10
17:58:03 <CoordinatorTobin> it is 10
17:58:55 <CoordinatorTobin> ok.. yeah help viewer.. funny i thought it was more sophisticated than this
17:59:05 <CoordinatorTobin> yeah this ain't no problem
17:59:24 <CoordinatorTobin> for skin reasons I will reuse the same general UI and just repurpose the content frames and functions
17:59:45 <CoordinatorTobin> but this is totally doable as a gutting and xhtml'ing of it
18:00:01 <CoordinatorTobin> also xhtml will allow you to use entities least locally i am sure
18:00:17 <CoordinatorTobin> i honestly dunno how dtds work on the unpriv'd web
18:01:10 <CoordinatorTobin> and then just build up the pages with the text as entities but the form in html with images n shit
18:01:17 <CoordinatorTobin> sound like a thing frg_Away ?
18:01:42 <CoordinatorTobin> or do you just want it to be html that is just direct translated and swapped out
18:01:54 <CoordinatorTobin> with images in skin resources
18:02:05 <CoordinatorTobin> err content
18:03:01 <frg_Away> I have seen the url bar issue only with Server 2012 R2 so far https://ibb.co/wNhKczf
18:03:30 <frg_Away> Looked for a few hours but gave up and decided I am too dumb for fixing css.
18:04:20 <frg_Away> It picks some OS color from somewhere it seems.
18:04:22 <CoordinatorTobin> communicator css is a bit more difficult than if you are used to strata4 or australis firefox css
18:04:58 <CoordinatorTobin> what is happening is the bounds of the box as rendered by uxstyle through widget are smaller than the superimposed true bounds being colored gold cause https
18:05:01 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away:
18:05:12 <CoordinatorTobin> that is what it LOOKS like without having domi to inspect
18:05:56 <CoordinatorTobin> the white ok dialog button text is MORE conserning actually frg_Away
18:06:05 <CoordinatorTobin> cause that is deff an error in color selection
18:06:33 <CoordinatorTobin> how much of mozilla's modifications for later versions HAVE you been taking in
18:06:34 <frg_Away> As for the help I am not sure if it will be possible to still link into chrome like today.
18:06:55 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: why not?
18:07:45 <CoordinatorTobin> the add-ons manager is a chrome level xhtml document despite it's xul extension and if you blocked loading from chrome into browser elements for content you would have broken a fuck ton of extensions
18:08:07 <frg_Away> A few but I tried to stay clear of them if possible. No specifics. Too many to remember and some breakage was already from 53 to 56. Mozilla cleaned up toolkit there and removed fallback styles.
18:08:08 <CoordinatorTobin> and likely the entire platform
18:08:40 <CoordinatorTobin> well firefox styles its self almost exclusively in later versions
18:08:47 <CoordinatorTobin> so you will have to restore some fallbacks
18:08:57 <CoordinatorTobin> or exclude them from your patch queue
18:09:20 <CoordinatorTobin> unless you wanna just forego the toolkit and style yourself within comm/ sources
18:09:26 <CoordinatorTobin> using communicator.css
18:09:42 <CoordinatorTobin> to override toolkit more completely without affecting the platform patch queue
18:09:46 <CoordinatorTobin> eh frg_Away ?
18:11:20 <CoordinatorTobin> cause really any truely enhancing or deviating stratagy depend on if it has to work around the patch queue or not
18:13:45 <CoordinatorTobin> Timestamp: 10/3/2023, 12:52:12 PM
18:13:45 <CoordinatorTobin> Error: NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND:
18:13:45 <CoordinatorTobin> Source File: jar:file:///C:/Program%20Files/SeaMonkey/omni.ja!/components/devtools-startup.js
18:13:45 <CoordinatorTobin> Line: 300
18:13:52 <CoordinatorTobin> Timestamp: 10/3/2023, 12:52:12 PM
18:13:52 <CoordinatorTobin> Error: TypeError: menu is null
18:13:53 <CoordinatorTobin> Source File: resource://devtools/shared/base-loader.js -> resource://devtools/client/framework/browser-menus.js
18:13:53 <CoordinatorTobin> Line: 223
18:13:57 <CoordinatorTobin> Timestamp: 10/3/2023, 12:52:12 PM
18:13:57 <CoordinatorTobin> Error: TypeError: browser[name] is undefined
18:13:57 <CoordinatorTobin> Source File: resource://devtools/client/framework/gDevTools.jsm
18:13:59 <CoordinatorTobin> Line: 150
18:14:01 <frg_Away> CoordinatorTobin That is what we did mostly. Trying to fix it in our code. Backed out some stuff too.
18:14:29 <frg_Away> Yeah harmless errors. Wanted to fix this for ages. Firefox centric code.
18:14:40 <CoordinatorTobin> While creating services from category 'profile-after-change', could not create service for entry 'calendar-backend-loader', contract ID 'service,@mozilla.org/calendar/backend-loader;1'
18:14:47 <frg_Away> Seems to be the wizard-button styling: https://ibb.co/pywWwYR
18:15:01 <CoordinatorTobin> you slut
18:15:03 <CoordinatorTobin> GIMMY
18:15:19 <CoordinatorTobin> I thought DOMi was dead?
18:15:20 <frg_Away> It is installed with SeaMonkey
18:15:21 <CoordinatorTobin> on sm
18:15:27 <CoordinatorTobin> SERIOUSLY
18:15:28 <CoordinatorTobin> where
18:15:34 <frg_Away> Only in 2.57 and up.
18:15:53 <CoordinatorTobin> no.. it is in 2.53
18:15:57 <CoordinatorTobin> in front of my face
18:16:05 <CoordinatorTobin> nice
18:16:08 <CoordinatorTobin> i love domi
18:16:52 <CoordinatorTobin> needs some enhancements i made tho like the shift+rightclick anywhere to inspect an element with domi
18:16:56 <frg_Away> Mozilla removed so many nsI interfaces it was dead in the water there. The 2.53 version might have some problems. We try to not break it in any case or fix it up for them but sometimes things slip thru.
18:17:15 <CoordinatorTobin> are you seriously considering going with 2.57?
18:17:38 <frg_Away> No dead now.
18:18:10 <CoordinatorTobin> i wish venkman worked
18:18:11 <frg_Away> 2.53 has most of the sutff already in and more. Without the bad parts. Ok without most of the bad parts :)
18:18:42 <frg_Away> Debugger isn't bad. Just use it in a fresh profile without add-ons like NoScript.
18:19:07 <CoordinatorTobin> i have never liked the devtools
18:19:12 <CoordinatorTobin> just me tho
18:19:19 <CoordinatorTobin> others use them with great efficiency
18:19:52 <frg_Away> So it is 2.53 and central. And central we knwo will not fly without a few more devs. Just building and fixing.
18:20:15 <CoordinatorTobin> well it is almost completely unconverted xul wise
18:20:20 <CoordinatorTobin> it ain't gonna run
18:20:55 <CoordinatorTobin> but if you ARE considering it as a long shot.. my own research will be including that soon enough
18:21:52 <CoordinatorTobin> but at this point you might just want to build a new suite from what firefox and thunderbird are today and strip that down and retool it back into a suite of a communicator design
18:23:09 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: wouldn't it just be grand if via SeaMonkey and and my efforts we get mozilla to admit and start operating as a platform for everyone again?
18:25:56 <frg_Away> The calendar startup error is fixed in 2.53.18b1 pre: https://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/patches/seamonkey-253-patches/comm-release/patches/NOBUG-fixcalbackend-25318.patch
18:27:03 <frg_Away> I really wonder how this ended up in the TB sources for so long. Never fixed just removed in the end.
18:27:44 <frg_Away> Unless I miss something and this worked somehow.
18:27:45 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: add class .padded to urlbar
18:27:51 <CoordinatorTobin> seems to fix it right up
18:28:26 <CoordinatorTobin> cause it is getting a zero margin from :not(.padded) up the line
18:30:08 <CoordinatorTobin> cause it is using windows's accent styling
18:30:41 <CoordinatorTobin> but all the styling is very inconsistant
18:30:58 <CoordinatorTobin> between the urlbar, the search button and search bar and go button
18:31:14 <CoordinatorTobin> but these have been mounting issues in the classic theme all along
18:32:19 <CoordinatorTobin> but overriding toolkit styling here would seem to be the best case if you want to get everything to actually be the same size on the default theme
18:32:56 <CoordinatorTobin> and I already did that kind of tedius fiddling before i am sure I can do it again for you I just need to know where to attack it from so it doesn't get in the way of the patch queue
18:34:44 <CoordinatorTobin> i assume you want the os-integration effect just would like stuff not to look like it is a toolbar full of elements that don't quite match
18:39:16 <frg_Away> CoordinatorTobin Adding padded here right? http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/source/comm/suite/browser/navigator.xul#333
18:39:58 <CoordinatorTobin> well it does fix it but only by adding a margin it would LOOK better if it just had maybe a 1px margin all around than the .padded style
18:40:02 <CoordinatorTobin> but .padded HELPS some
18:40:52 <frg_Away> Maybe just dropping the aero here would help: http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/source/comm/suite/themes/classic/navigator/navigator.css#261
18:42:30 <CoordinatorTobin> that SHOULD have resolved it
18:43:20 <CoordinatorTobin> windows aero should apply to 8+
18:43:24 <CoordinatorTobin> always
18:43:40 <CoordinatorTobin> unless aero-lite or alt msstyle
18:44:24 <CoordinatorTobin> https://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/apps/navigator/themes/classic/navigator/navigator.css#173
18:44:29 <CoordinatorTobin> guess I did that lol
18:44:40 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away:
18:46:58 <CoordinatorTobin> yeah because windows classic still needs it NOT padded but aero needs SLIGHT padding
18:47:07 <CoordinatorTobin> aero and white sheets of paper called aero
19:04:53 <frg_Away> CoordinatorTobin https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/-/commit/71a2d9bf6f386e4bf7deaa8ea8dfdd9076e5687b
19:05:06 <frg_Away> Will file a proper bug later. Thanks.
19:05:27 <CoordinatorTobin> oh Borealis is full of shit everyone needs lol
19:06:10 <frg_Away> Seems in esr102 and up this is now moz-platfom.
19:06:16 <CoordinatorTobin> i learned that autocomplete.css sets the padding to 0 for widgets that don't have an icon.
19:06:17 <CoordinatorTobin> ;)
19:08:26 <CoordinatorTobin> well navigator will be re-patched from its 2020 state forward just so i have a DAMNED clean patch history for all those wonderful enhancements instead of the absolute clusterfuck i been doing the past year and a half
19:08:41 <CoordinatorTobin> and you can pillage all you want
19:08:47 <CoordinatorTobin> even before I release it properly
19:09:22 <CoordinatorTobin> just don't use the same icon set lol
19:09:42 <CoordinatorTobin> SPEAKING OF frg_Away seamonkey needs a new default icon set
19:10:06 <CoordinatorTobin> those not-netscape icons have never looked particularly good just particularly not purple netscape
19:10:14 <frg_Away> I know. The care bear icons are urgkkk....
19:10:41 <frg_Away> https://www.carebears.com/
19:10:56 <CoordinatorTobin> I'd like to eventually try my hand at doing hq versions of the purple netscape icon set but in different color schemes
19:11:09 <CoordinatorTobin> i love that era of icon design
19:11:45 <CoordinatorTobin> I stay the FUCK out of the way of the Care Bears..
19:12:11 <frg_Away> They are too soft and are missing contrast. Look outdated. And I don't miss seeing the care bears ;)
19:12:18 <CoordinatorTobin> they will fuckin hit you with a care bare stare and then you'll be fucked
19:12:40 <CoordinatorTobin> Don't provoke the Care Bears.
19:13:00 <CoordinatorTobin> yeah the constrast was always the issue.. the DESIGN was .. OKAY
19:13:42 <frg_Away> But I will be dead before everyone aggrees on a new set of icons and rather fix up web compatibility instead.
19:13:54 <CoordinatorTobin> should have went more along the lines of the Netscape Fusion 8 glyps just dropping the aqua bulbs
19:15:17 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: i couldn't focus on webcompat or even feature enhancement until i did something about them there icons lol
19:15:44 <CoordinatorTobin> but i am a designer
19:15:51 <CoordinatorTobin> it comes with the territory
19:16:23 <frg_Away> I can live with them and I already lived with the for years.
19:17:24 <CoordinatorTobin> the other aspect is an attractive first experience ui can help encurage potental participation
19:17:42 <CoordinatorTobin> and contribution
19:18:32 <CoordinatorTobin> but it is all academic as I don't have any icons to offer up and without that any agruements that you shouldn't focus on webcompat vs icons is meaningless
19:19:10 <CoordinatorTobin> nah one day I will throw icons at you and you can take em or leave em as is the nature of things ;)
19:19:52 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: how is the state of themeing capability in the platform anyway
19:21:12 <frg_Away> Full themes are retained. Lightweight themes still work but I would like to get rid of them in favor of webext ones. They are both crap anyway and no one will miss the lightweight ones.
19:22:02 <frg_Away> And calling webext themes a thems is ...
19:22:10 <CoordinatorTobin> chrome://global/skin/button.css:50 is why the button text on default and hover is highlighttext for some reason
19:22:14 <frg_Away> A skin at best
19:22:38 <CoordinatorTobin> static themes are JUST personas
19:22:59 <frg_Away> without a personality :)
19:23:46 <CoordinatorTobin> i would start by adding a distinct add-ons type for em.. and THEN feed em into lightweightthemeprovider and in the add-ons manager i would visually connect the active status with the persona and hide away its former cloud status but also provision for older style lwthemes as well
19:23:59 <CoordinatorTobin> THAT is what I would do providng you wanted to retain all functionality
19:24:02 <CoordinatorTobin> and enhance
19:24:46 <CoordinatorTobin> or you can drop older style persona capability and completely bend the provider to serve the static persona type exclusively
19:24:51 <CoordinatorTobin> which would be eaiser
19:24:55 <CoordinatorTobin> and LESS disruptive
19:24:58 <CoordinatorTobin> to the patch queue
19:25:44 <CoordinatorTobin> but you would i would hope want to retain persona on top of arbitrary theme capability which was possible via extension in addition to applying to the default theme
19:27:09 <CoordinatorTobin> and as I also have an intrest in the static theme format just not for Borealis or Interlink.. it is an overlapping additional field of research and development or in other words.. i am heading that way too feel free to tag along
19:27:16 <frg_Away> So far theming did have a really low priority. Other than retaining full themes I just tried to not break existing lw them stuff. Same for ianN I assume. We did lots of add-on manager updates to align with later code.
19:28:46 <CoordinatorTobin> well if we just ignore lwtheme provider and clone a new static theme provider that does the same thing and then xpcom contract it in using the model the add-ons manager has should be able to avoid a bunch of work and retooling and the patch queue for the most part i'd guess
19:30:56 <CoordinatorTobin> ok Themes is Themes not Apperance.. good
19:31:00 <CoordinatorTobin> So add.. Styles
19:31:11 <CoordinatorTobin> and Styles is the Static Themes/Personas/etc
19:32:07 <CoordinatorTobin> cause you know frg_Away .. I was gonna do this for MCP
19:32:20 <CoordinatorTobin> the static themes successor to personas
19:33:26 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: just don't ask me to make Firefox Color work lol
19:33:55 <frg_Away> Yes Colorway themes are a top priority too ...
19:34:21 <CoordinatorTobin> yeah well you can figure that shit out yourself .. fuckin pastel purple and green horseshit.
19:34:36 <CoordinatorTobin> frg_Away: :P
19:35:54 <frg_Away> Well but your room would be bug free. They all drop dead when seeing this.
19:36:57 <CoordinatorTobin> anyway the process IS simple in theory.. xpiprovider loads xpi.. xpiprovider knows to hand it off to static theme providr .. static theme provider adds a category to add-ons manager and does basically what lightweight theme provider did except it doesn't create a new entry it just goes by enable and disable and only ONE may be enabled at a time in that category just like themes (when personas aren't mixed in) wham done
19:37:36 <CoordinatorTobin> the rest reuses everything lwthemes did
19:37:44 <CoordinatorTobin> and internally works likely the same
19:37:46 <CoordinatorTobin> do THAT
19:38:03 <CoordinatorTobin> and you will be good with a minimum of work and headaches
19:40:13 <CoordinatorTobin> so let me make sure my ass can cash this check.. i am doing .. tycho weave (yes still), helpviewer, static themes, and likely style fixes all over the place and providing xref
19:40:21 <CoordinatorTobin> yep i can cover that
19:41:57 <CaptainTobin> get off that coordinator name before i obligate my self to even more lol
19:53:22 <CaptainTobin> and then there's THIS asshole
19:53:23 <CaptainTobin> i mean
19:53:25 <CaptainTobin> hi tomman
19:53:31 <CaptainTobin> ;)
19:53:43 <tomman> :D
19:54:03 <tomman> coming from YET another blackout
19:54:03 <CaptainTobin> love doing that it has been a while
19:54:07 <CaptainTobin> well
19:54:08 <CaptainTobin> ok
19:54:09 <tomman> so I might be in an assholeish mood
19:54:11 <CaptainTobin> not so much THAT
19:54:24 <CaptainTobin> tomman: TELL US ALL ABOUT IT
19:54:25 <CaptainTobin> lol
19:54:39 <tomman> dealing with MercadoLibre - not only their load of Chromeisms break on SeaMonkey, they also take a dump on both buyers and sellers regularly
19:54:50 <tomman> too bad eBay never happened in Latam to give them some good competition
19:54:54 <CaptainTobin> you know unless someone who actually owns this channel objects of course
19:55:51 <CaptainTobin> ebay cators to google microsoft and apple
19:55:57 <CaptainTobin> what else is new
19:56:32 <tomman> the most we got with eBay in Latam was Mercadolibre partnering with them a decade ago
19:56:41 <tomman> but that partnership is no longer, as they don't mention it anymore
19:57:09 <tomman> also, there have never really any real competition to them - OLX was the most credible threat but they folded
20:23:52 <therube> freakin FF 115esr just blew me up!  video driver issue - when i loaded msn.  don't ask me why i loaded msn!  & before i could close the window, i was done... come to think of it... not sure if keyboard was alive, but i should have tested that, & attempted Alt+F+X... oh well.
20:50:20 <CaptainTobin> this page more than anything is what inspired There is Only XUL dot org https://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/
20:50:45 <CaptainTobin> remember when the mozilla community produced a lot of good software
20:51:54 <WG9s> CaptainTobin: so you are up on ghostbuster references?
20:52:26 <CaptainTobin> i dunno.. there is no Data only XUL
20:52:31 <CaptainTobin> WG9s:
20:52:51 <WG9s> oh you zooler
20:53:02 <CaptainTobin> i just wonder when the eggs are gonna start cooking spontaniously
20:53:27 <CaptainTobin> non-stick samerian egg cooking techniques are seconds to none
20:53:38 <CaptainTobin> second*
20:53:56 <CaptainTobin> WG9s: takes some serious voodoo to cook on a counter top without oil
20:53:59 <CaptainTobin> and not have it stick
20:54:07 <WG9s> I wonder now how many people looking at XUL code understand the there is only xul in the meta data
20:54:41 <CaptainTobin> older fucks will but the younger people? xul? that thing that got replaced by xhtml?
20:55:33 <WG9s> there's is something new in the neighborhood
20:56:21 <frg_Away> A kfc? :)
20:56:36 <CaptainTobin> i think Mozilla took it too far cause it resulted in "bustin browsers feels so good"
20:58:08 <WG9s> frg_Away: lyric from ghostbusters theme song
20:59:37 <frg_Away> WG9s I know.
20:59:50 <frg_Away> Ghostbusters      lalalal
20:59:55 <CaptainTobin> -so
20:59:58 <CaptainTobin> heh
21:00:01 <CaptainTobin> bustin
21:00:28 <frg_Away> and now nightbuster. cu
21:01:39 <CaptainTobin> WG9s: so what is new with you
21:02:15 <WG9s> funny thing bout that song is they got sued because it seemed to just be Huey Lewis I Want A New Drug with different words
21:07:23 <WG9s> and now just to make things worse Mozilla is changing to clang 17
21:08:07 <WG9s> i am stuck on clang-14 for macOS and clang-15 for linux
21:08:29 <WG9s> for my 2.53 builds
21:08:52 <CaptainTobin> WG9s: seamonkey build with gcc still on linux right?
21:08:59 <WG9s> Windows seems to sork sith clan-16
21:09:08 <CaptainTobin> or is it all clang
21:09:18 <WG9s> oh sorry on wrong channel
21:09:45 <CaptainTobin> WG9s: is it?
21:09:52 <CaptainTobin> i like build shit
21:10:01 <CaptainTobin> seems to keep activity and engagement up too
21:10:43 <WG9s> my builds for 2.5318b1pre all use clang
21:10:57 <CaptainTobin> neat
21:11:10 <CaptainTobin> how is it on linux vs gcc builds?
21:11:36 <WG9s> release builds may still use gcc not sure
21:12:36 <CaptainTobin> i mnean i resist clang if possible on principle but if it does a superior job .. it might be harder to argue with WG9s
21:13:13 <WG9s> work find for my most of my issues are with macOS cross-compiles but i cant get them to build at all using gcc at least i ca get successful builds using clang but I have zeto macs so now way to test
21:13:33 <CaptainTobin> yeah
21:13:53 <CaptainTobin> i'd rather focus on linux arm than macintrash
21:14:24 <CaptainTobin> I will figure out those secrets and share them when I do
21:14:40 <CaptainTobin> when I get a linux arm device i can run shit on
21:14:48 <WG9s> mozilla folk have switched to builing with clang but my main reason for sritching had to do with major issues getting a macOS cross compile to work at all using gcc
21:15:13 <CaptainTobin> yeah that never worked right
21:15:19 <CaptainTobin> we tried it at the 52 level
21:15:48 <WG9s> you might find you need to use clang to build for arm anoother pace where i tan into issues trying to use gcc on a cross compile
21:15:53 <CaptainTobin> and really the XP_CONDITIONALS kinda espect clang not gcc
21:16:16 <CaptainTobin> i assume it is still largely the case for you
21:17:07 <CaptainTobin> i don't see why mozilla hasn't just invested in cross compile clang linux to windows
21:18:33 <CaptainTobin> man i am really kinda upset i didn't use this color scheme for BinOC its self.. the cavendish steel blue/purple
21:18:42 <CaptainTobin> it looks so good
21:19:34 <CaptainTobin> but no i am developing such a nice aesthetic of my own
22:14:04 <CaptainTobin> hi GrannyGoose
22:14:42 <GrannyGoose> hello CaptainTobin , hows it going
22:15:20 <CaptainTobin> not bad
22:15:46 <CaptainTobin> just setting up my life a year and a half later than expected
22:16:18 <CaptainTobin> more seriously I am working on developing thereisonlyxul.org into the project-agnostic resource I always meant it to be
22:17:48 <GrannyGoose> thats good , goodluck with it all
22:18:02 <CaptainTobin> well it is for everyone's benefit
22:18:53 <CaptainTobin> GrannyGoose: seamonkey resources are listed and I setup a cross-reference there where sm's xr is now
22:18:58 <tomman> yay, Outlook finally broke for me on Seamonkey
22:19:00 <tomman> "SyntaxError: bad method definition"
22:19:06 <CaptainTobin> tomman: a shame
22:19:09 <tomman> can't get past from the bouncing letter
22:19:14 <GrannyGoose> isnt FRG stopping with SM2.53.18? an your taking over ?
22:19:20 <CaptainTobin> outlook doesn't require oauth why are you just not using mailnews
22:19:29 <CaptainTobin> GrannyGoose: lol huh
22:19:43 <CaptainTobin> GrannyGoose: who said that
22:19:49 <GrannyGoose> i dunno, im out of the loop
22:19:51 <CaptainTobin> i love the concept but alas no
22:19:59 <CaptainTobin> but i will help
22:20:05 <CaptainTobin> which i should have been all this time
22:20:16 <CaptainTobin> from my place in the BinOC/Galaxy
22:20:23 <tomman> CaptainTobin: I do sometimes need to log in through their webby version to check for false positives on the spam filter
22:20:28 <tomman> same with GMail
22:20:36 <njsg_> oh damn, the spam was here too
22:20:46 <CaptainTobin> yeah
22:21:00 <CaptainTobin> they hit binoc's server within 12 hours of it being online
22:21:05 <CaptainTobin> same ted cruz is gay message
22:21:16 <CaptainTobin> i just dunno what he was trying to tell us tho
22:21:18 <CaptainTobin> :P
22:22:27 <njsg_> why should I even care about the sexual orientation of a senator. One would think there'd be... more relevant things to want to care about regarding a senator. like... *politics*, his positions, and so on. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned. But, either way, uh, wrong side of the pond, anyway.
22:22:53 <njsg_> or is the spammer saying "find out what made this guy ultra happy, news at eleven!"...
22:23:29 <CaptainTobin> GrannyGoose: the things I have thus far commited to halping seamonkey with are the previously mentioned tycho weave backend for non fxa sync, i am gonna change the helpviewer to be html consuming so translations can happen, and I am gonna look into mozilla's webex "static themes" as a persona replaceent for you guys
22:23:44 <CaptainTobin> also likely numerous style fixups as they offend me and frg accepts em
22:23:46 <CaptainTobin> :P
22:24:51 <GrannyGoose> oh ok thanks for the update there .
22:25:10 <CaptainTobin> i wanna help
22:25:30 <CaptainTobin> so am gonna
22:25:42 <GrannyGoose> i would if i was a programmer but im not sorry
22:26:03 <CaptainTobin> GrannyGoose: lots of ways to help
22:26:12 <CaptainTobin> testing reporting poking trying asking
22:26:14 <CaptainTobin> lots of ways
22:26:17 <CaptainTobin> beyond coding
22:26:19 <GrannyGoose> i can do that
22:26:39 <CaptainTobin> i mean just earlier
22:26:48 <CaptainTobin> i booted up the seamonkey and there were some issues str8 off
22:26:54 <CaptainTobin> fixed one with a Borealis patch
22:27:11 <CaptainTobin> and that was pretty neat
22:27:50 <CaptainTobin> least I think so GrannyGoose
22:28:27 <GrannyGoose> im sure it would be, im gonna duck off an have some breakfast , i wont be long :)
22:28:46 <CaptainTobin> GrannyGoose: duck for breakfast.. DUCK BACON
22:28:54 <CaptainTobin> someone make it happen
23:55:21 <Tobin|Laptop> sup mrnhmath