you know.. I used to be able to set up an irc server in a few hours

this took me all fucking day

i am simply out of practice

SM stopped working again with live.com - don't know what MS playing around. owa.mailindex.js is not working while the version with digits in the name is working

frg_Away: it brings a sense of stability to my world to know people still care enough about me to come and spam my ressurected IRC server

my only question is why would someone think I care about their opinion of ted cruz of all people

i mean I try not to care to remember there even IS a ted cruz

there will always be spammers.

i know

happy to see a real spammer.. EMH-Mark-I and franstam znc zombie reconnected after months of no irc server

and now I want to eat some spam~

spam spam spam spam LOVELY SPAM WONDERFUL SPAM

download spam spam spam spam spam seamonkey and spam

well ok spam spam spam add-ons spam seamonkey spam mailnews core and spam

tomman frg_Away

Every time I get a bunch of new spam that somehow bypasses GMail filters, I have to enter GMail's webjunk UI and filter them out

then... a few hours later, I get a new wave of completely distinct spam that bypasses the filters

god damn it Google!

I still wonder if there is still money in spamming for services or goods?

some is stuff for services someone else signed up, other is clearly spammy spam crap with broken Engrish that I don't get why they're flying past the radar

tomman: apperently drive-by-downloads from porn sites is still a think tho I thought Mozilla tech and mshtml abandomnent and chrome likewise being immune was .. immune to that shit especially once flash and java were out of the way

thing

cause lots of spam doing ransom shit cause THEY downloaded a virus and secretly filmed you jacking off to always the same absolutely worse degenerate and unspecified thing so uust send em money

people still download viruses?!

I thought this was a relic from the past in the Cellphones First era!

i guess cause drive-by is near impossib;e

it is what sold me on the sanity of the codebase back in the day

on the flip side, I smile every time I go through... shady content sites (not necessarily porn), click on some obviously bogus link, and I'm served a .EXE that won't work on Linux :D

they had all this extensiablity and features AND it was basically immune to drive-by infection

dear spammers and malware authors: step up your act!

at least serve me a .sh! :D

wine could still run a windows virus

if wine its self works at the time

I don't have Wine installed on all of my Linux computers, tho

and Wine boots so slowly here that i have more than enough time to contain an attack (if the malware doesn't crash first)

but by default most browsers won't even try to use Wine to launch .EXEs

(unless exploiting some security flaw, that is9

mozilla traditionally on windows won't ballow a direct exe launch from the download window

for this reason

Well we now have ISOs too. Won't work either

wonder how many active malware EXEs out there do still work on XP

certainly none anymore would run on 9x

i think firefox changed that behavior so it can direct open exe rather than download exe

7 is still a juicy target

no it isn't

but now that MS is burying anything prior to W11...

windows was dead the moment windows 8 happened

related

just like Firefox was dead the moment strata40 happened

you can't activate W10/11 anymore with a legit W7/8 key starting last week

i use kmspico

i have several legit licenses

this move will lead to a new wave of refuseniks that will keep running 7 for life

now a days

have had for years

i crack it as a matter of principle

All of my two W7 licenses are legit

but I barely use them

Microsoft has angered me.

in fact, recently I salvaged a Windows Me license from a ol' Compaq Presario

(the machine still lives, but those licenses were from the era where you could legally move the COA sticker to another box)

now my computer desk is Licensed to run Windows Me :D

at this point all real windows is end of life (except 2019 ltsc the last remaining bit of windows before the tipping point in tech is reached where windows stops being fundamentally windows plus metro

Last one still took a Win 7 license but didn't try in the last 2 weeks. Just bought a Thinkpad X230 as a spare so will see how this one goes. Don't care much anyway because spare and when I need ti will run Server 2019.

I crack, i steal, i modify, I reverse engineer, I do every single thing to violate the eula i can because microsoft them selves hardly care.

i cared more when THEY cared

more

I'm planning to buy SSDs for my two less old laptops Soon™ (hopefully next month!), so now I'm wondering what I'm gonna do with my Windows 7 licenses

probably the Inspiron 6400 is gonna keep its setup anyway

but this Asus... not sure

I hate hate hate HATE Windows 10, and 11 is out of the question

BUT! nVidia EOL'd the legacy driver for my Fermi GPU on this hybrid graphics laptop, and that means by the next time I'm updating to the next major Debian release, I'll be entering into Nouveau hell

(in fact, I can't even try new backported kernels from Testing because most likely those newer releases will break the blob, as usual)

Well 7 still gets updates till end of the year and Server 2012 R2 / 8.1 with a hack probably for 3 years more. Wouldn't use the hacks in a company unless I am a complete idiot but for a private laptop no one cares.

also, I still have my Steam games, and not all of them work fine on Proton, and that's an avenue I do not care that much to pursue

(damn Japanese games that barely work on PCs!)

so my options are 1) write off my Win-only games and just nuke Windows, 2) keep 7 forever and write off my Win games, 3) bite the bullet, install malware, er, Win10, and buy... another 2 years

I just updated the Windows 11 vm to 23H2 to test SeaMonkey and it still s*cks. But the taskbar got the combine option back. Over time it will be a success again unfortunately.

MS stopped issuing new Win10 licenses in January, and cut off the W7/8 free key upgrade last week

so... it's becoming a eternal beta tester in exchange for a free license, fork $200 for a key, buy a new computer from a major OEM, or pirate

in the meanwhile Apple stopped charging for OSX updates years ago

charging for major OS upgrades these days is a Microsoft-ism, basically

i'd pay 300 dollars every year if it meant i could have win2k or windows 7 quality bacl

tomman:

every few years*

i mean

hello mrnhmath

CaptainTobin: so you are looking for a time machine?

WG9s: got one?

time machine, interstellar space vessel, a couple patches.. I will take what I can get if it is useful WG9s

maybe what linux needs is just the windows driver model like that one freak did for the old windows broadcomm drivers

silly me looing for a time machine to go back to 20 years ago when Mozilla were grat people to work with.

or wait it was really just 10 yers ago

WG9s: to work with our netscape forefathers before they were disillusioned or corrupted?

2010 I think things were fine

WG9s: not so much

ask IanN_Away

but to do that i said

that would be a dream come true

Were ossues becaseu of Mozilla decideing to switch form the suite bing the primary product to Firefox was a real issue. BUt at lest they did not seem so vil.

evil

of course there is every chance if i knew what was coming I'd have told you to stick that winsock up your ass lol

that was 2004-2006 era WG9s

not 2010s

by the 2010s Firefox-only was in play.. mobile everything.. and no one can do shit if it doesn't serve mobile firefox

WG9s: your timeline is a bit askew

well i could still deal with people just before firefox 5 came out

TRUE

but that was pre-2013ish purge

4 not 5

the 2009 purge was only partly successful

things went so badly after that

i think for me Mozilla became evil when KaiRo changed

A so Kairo is a changeling?

so you are when one person changed I was when it seemed everyone else went along

i had a lot of respect for kairo for all he orginal council members as much as I have for ratty.. but kairo changed at some point

backin the day i was invited to mozilla summits and then I ended up being baned form bugzilla

i still dunno why no one has removed my bugedit privs ratty gave me

I think the ONLY reason I haven't abused it and gotten em taken away or banned is because I still believe I can help.. SeaMonkey

i guess

WG9s:

mine were given to me way bacl in the day by Gerv. but when taken away he was dead so not really avilable to advocate for me getting them back

when I got the privs and was helping with triage occasionally it was one of the greatest positive feelings i experienced at the time

hi CaptainTobin, long time no see

I mean KaiRo got so bad he accused me (and the Pale Moon project) of stealing code as someone who HAS had code stolen from.. pretty much any usage other than frg's of any Borealis modification.. it really cut deep it is one of the major reasons i remained so hostile to this project over those years

I used to actually make changes to the original c (not c++) code was accepted as patches (I even surprised bz by fixing something he was working on and could not)before Mike Hoye decided to ban me from Bugzilla because of a personal disagreement but claimed it was a code of conduct violation

but he's a fuck head and that is what he chose to be i guess but my response to it deff needs work

so I am banned for life from byugzilla

I mean we clashed but wasn't that terrible i guess lol

so why they would do that to you i dunno

couldn't even be bothered to pretend to like you all after the matrix bridge went down

what does that say

I think because I went on vacation during the time of the issue and was non-reponsive because not doing email and then I saw the number of emails he sent during the period so reported him to google (since I use gmail) as harassing me

i outright wanted to exterminate everyone and I am enjoying being here!

wow dude

CaptainTobin: I sometimes find you annoying, but I understand you are just trying to help and ate sometimes frustrated.

well i have had bouts of being quite quite mad

Just need to do what I been doing come back from devistation leap frog everything and establish a revised overarching way of doing shit that is even more sophisticated, successful, and most importantly new heights in being grandious as fuck

WG9s:

because it's more fun that way

So at the point where Mozilla wants us off their infrastucture I see as a good thing!

The more we can distance ourselves from them the better.

oh totally mozinfra and mozapathy have held seamonkey back throughout the latter half of the 2010s if not 2.1 on

i mean it has been my primary theme for over a decade

WG9s:

lol

the sheer amusement of people coming to the same conclusions i did years ago is almost enough of a reward in its self lol

Well don't go by what I conceptualize until it materalizes then you can start trusting my pre-creation conceptual arguments.. i been inactive too long.

WG9s: eh?

speaking of.. the damned xref will be unavailable when it goes down and deff won't be avilable again until it comes back up. Seeing as I now have the dark art of freecerts I am gonna put the xref on thereisonlyxul.org i may setup an instance for BinOC for non-xul shit later but obviously the mxr base is FOR mozilla codebases

sO what I do now is just nightly 2.53 builds on what we call tier-1 and tier-2 platforms (rier-1 is 64-bit Linux WIndows and macOS, tier-2 includes 32-bit Linux and windows)

whild building those I identify issues and sometimes fix.

That is a good piece of info for me cause it is a good idea

tho i don't support mac

but t2 being 32bit linux and windows

i am so stealing that

thank you

I don;t even have a way to test mac I depend on frg to test the resultant builds.

WG9s: don't ask me about mac testing.. ask the Pale Moon succession of mac devs

nightmares every one

especially nuke

whom i am surprised is not here monitoring

IanN and I are linux guys frg is more SIndows but he also has the capability to test the macOS builds I create.

frg is full of surprises

who knew he'd actually be a decent person

...

lol

I think we are all decent people, just need that disagreements don't make us enemies

I am obviosly winders but i want linux so bad even tho i am pretty sure i don't actually like linux

better if we try to understand the other point of view instead of taking a "he is just an A**hole" point of view.

CaptainTobin: biggest issue with Linux is it being so open is ay idiot can take the source and come up with a new linux distribution. so what actually is Linux. there seem to be too many variations.

WG9s: funny you should emntion that

considering some fields of research I want BinOC/Labs to enter into

oh and i LOVE saying that

i knew it would be awesome but yeah it is..

also gonna be able to say "Our /peers/ at MCP did x"

that makes me happy WG9s

Hmm reminds me of Sheryl Crowe. If it makes you happy, it cant be that bad

if it makes you happy. THen why the hell are you so sad

hey it all comes down to some freak doing some things even in high dollar science

and software development

design

and life in general

i figure

and I'm a bit crazy so why not have a lab based in cyberspace things are only not real until someone makes em real.

My rational insanity is second to none!

Try new BinOC Sanity-Like substitute. You'll swear it's everyone else that's crazy!

;-)

Our national insanity is second to none!

WG9s: do you know the disposition of atbn on if thunderbird is gonna purge non-mailextensions and kick your ass to the curb?

seems to be a meeting I think today and i am not a party to it

but this is more ammeting between seamonkey and mozilla and not the TB folk I think

yeah

well I am gonna proceed with my phoebus successor as IF other people will use the software or even hold a thin hope others would use the service I provide again.. tho i do realize there are issues legit and otherwise in that area still shit needs to be coded regardless and I would rather not have it slaved to BinOC only or only to those who accept BinOC policy dominion.. that ain't fair and it isn't like Phoebus is getting any

new development from our /peers/ at mcp (again i love saying that) and whatever the amo/atbn software is called this week is an unmananable beast

good to have options even if seamonkey doesn't need to use them

personally it would make more sense as a true legal entity for sm to launch an add-ons site and I simpley .. code and manage it but not own the server or have final say on the service.. THAT would be ideal for cross-organization growth away from Mozilla without MCP being involved.

and I still think it is not a concidence that this sisue showed up wen mozilla switched form using Amazon Web Services to Google Cloud Services I think Google wants Mozilla to get rid of us because we refuse to make Google out default search provider

you stand in the way of the monoculture

we all do

because we are still capable of doing things against or regardless of it

this is so damned clear

To quote Leroy Jethro GIbbs "I don't believe in coincidences".

to me and others assuming they weren't merely humoring me

I agree with Garak.. I believe in coincidences but I don't TRUST them

for those not vfans of the TV show NCIS this is a famous quote

DS9 isn't completely unknown either

Yes sorrywas writing that before I saw the DS9 quote

Garak alsys strange because not always sure which side he ws on.

was on

Gibs has his rules like always carry a gun and don't sleep with a teammate but then somehow the overriding I don't believe in coincidences.

garak's motivations are explained over the course of his development

yes but one of the interesting things about that show. in fact one of the interesting thngs about all the star trek shows wax often more about character interactions than just fighting an enemy.

first year thows first five in the can and skped to epesode 6 becuase the first five were to much about character interactions and not enough fighting the enemy.

so whole seaone one went on the air out of order from what gene rodenberry envisioned.

Dorothy Fpontana seemed to be the one who not only wrote some episodes but on other was listed in credirs and script consultant. SHe was the one who took wht the different writers wrote and made sure how it got converted on TV recuslted in the characters not become untrue to their character.

In many ways she made the series and the story go one to the other incarnations becuase she made sure the characters only deviated from their drfinition if affected by some alien influence

And, of course, was always credited as D. C. and not Dorothy because they thought us guys would never welcome a female in that position.

also many differnt doctors at the time. I personaly prefered Paul FIx who was the Marshwll on the Rifleman to Deforest Kelly.

also odd how Gene tried to get his wife into the show for the Pilot episde she was first officer and then later the Nurse and voce of the computer and then in Next Generation was Diana's mother.

WG9s: Well just know if there is something I can do infra wise that can help I am game for it and I should have a selection of crap to pick from soonish

I also have on my list to revamp fsyncms so seamonkey can setup a sync server

or at least have pure weave and users can setup their own sync servers easily

that is STILL a thing that can happen

Greetings. I'm hoping to get some help. I'm trying SeaMonkey again and it seems to have some of the problems that caused me to abandon it in the past resolved. I love the SeaMonkey concept! I was a Netscape Communicator user back in the day.

My first question is: how does one activate ChatZilla? Its enabled but I see no way to access anything about it and the "preferences" button does nothing.

I'm talking to you from Pidgin. :-D

And I have trolled the web, including the SeaMonkey and ChatZilla sites... and I'm at a loss. It seems that having it installed and enabled should be enough. Yet the "community" page on the SeaMonkey site says it has to be "activated" as well. When I click the IRC link on that page I get an "unknown protocol" error.

Seems to be a mirrage.

Also: I see that Libera.Chat banned Matrix... so does your Matrix connector still work? Or does someone need to update the community page?

OK. 45 people in room but nobody is here...

ChoW

Anyone here?

Ok. Bye.

FFS, Google now enabled cellphone-esque autocorrection on search!

this is a problem if your mouse pointer is positioned at the wrong point, because it will try to autocorrect things

even worse, this non-feature WORKS on SeaMonkey :D

i agree

i too

ChipMaster chatzilla is integrated and shoudl be active when you install it.

frg_Away: is it a proper component or still a distro add-on

guess the real question is are the chatzilla freaks still working on it lol

add-on but no longer in distributions. Integrated in our central code so no longer an add-on there (for what good it does). I think it is pretty much dead upstream because webext is missing stuff to properly port it. IanN scraped all the fixes from Ambassador and everywhere else together and we enhanced it as much as possible.

Thanks for replying. Switching computers to discuss more. BRB.

So does anyone know if ChatZilla actually works?

FYI: I downloaded the latest SeaMonkey off the site yesterday. It shows the add-on enabled but there is no other sign its available. Not in the window menu and -chat on launch does nothing.

ChipMaster should be a cZ icon in the status bar. Make sure you don't have an old one still in the profile. If you do deinstall it. Current one should be 0.17.x matching the SeaMonkey minor version.

Also Ctrl+6 is also in the Windo menu.

There @frg_Away: there wasn't. But it occured to me to disable and re-enable it. That has apparently give me the cZ icon and the chat client. I'll give it a try in a bit.

My big question is: is there anyway to get rid of these "kindergarten" scrool bars and get the adult ones back: up, down, pg up, pg down features?

And a smaller font in the GUI components: menus, buttons, tabs, email list, folder tree, ...

scroll bars come with your OS theme if you use classic. Only Appearance Fonts which is global.

Interesting since they don't match any of the rest of my system. I'll hunt down something...

frg_Away: I am trying to setup xref on thereisonlyxul.org but this 2 core vm hates hg and mozilla-central so it is taking a while but the binoc version remains online until i switch it over and setup redirects

the 56 git repos won't be an issue

tho

welp

frg_Away: until I get gallium reinstalled the BEST i can give you is the 56 tree cause this vps doesn't have enough resources for hg to checkout the tree

lol

just be for a few days

56 is fine. For everything about searchfox and esr60 68... is more or less ok.

i mean this is just cause I am trying to collapse 3 servers down to one with only 2gbs of ram and 2 cores

so i can redo the other servers

so just a temp condition

yeahh so far I used your 56 99% of the time. Pretty much boyond 58 59 now for almost everything which matters and seldom need to look into 52 stuff any longer.

frg_Away: now here is the question how did I make this work before ;)

spit and polish?

frg_Away: well once this gets transfered BACK to gallium I can index any tree of intrest you wish

so if you are deep into 62-64 say I could index those trees and trash em later

just have to ask

MattATobin genuine 60 maybe without the reformatting. What I miss most is an annotate feature for 56. Or I am too dumb to find it.

60 pre-esr reformat

tricky

in hg

corrupt in git

if you have a tarball link me

only the TB and Firefox 60 source from a.m.o without history

frg_Away: looks like THIS holds my answers lol

so I had the answer .. the .. whole ... tiiiimeee

lol

lol manglemonkey

Last status notes finally updated: wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-09-10

yeah i edited the wrong page.. i reverted it and edited the one for tomorrow instead