00:12:52 oh boy 00:13:11 Mega no longer works on SeaMonkey, it craps on me with a "Your browser seems a bit outdated" 00:13:48 and their recommended browsers are Chrome, MS Chrome, and Chrome - FF is merely announced as "supported" 00:14:18 clicking any link would send you to https://mega.nz/update.html 00:14:24 "Our recommended browsers fully support MEGA's advanced HTML5 functionality, quickly add support for new web standards and provide timely security updates. " 00:14:39 ah well, at least JDownloader is still a thing~ 00:16:49 function(error) { 00:16:50 if (error || !window.es6s) { 00:16:52 document.location = (is_extension ? '' : '/') + 'update.html'; 00:16:53 return; 00:16:55 } 00:18:03 "window.onload/< https://mega.nz/secureboot.js:3770:21" 00:18:16 there are the features they test,and the script is NOT minified! 00:18:32 'es6s =' + 00:18:34 ' ({...{a:23}}).a === 23' + // C60 E79 F55 O47 S11 00:18:35 ' && Promise.prototype.finally' + // C63 E18 F58 O50 S11 00:18:37 ' && typeof ReadableStream === "function"' + // C43 E14 F65 O30 S10 00:18:38 ' && (Array.prototype.values === Array.prototype[Symbol.iterator])' + // C66 E12 F60 O53 S9 00:18:40 ' && (function *(a=1,){yield a})(2).next().value === 2', // C58 E14 F52 O45 S10 00:19:03 nice, they put minimum versions on the comments 00:19:13 which one is triggering here? 00:20:17 typeof ReadableStream === "function" => this one, FF65 00:20:41 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/ReadableStream 00:21:33 must be a very recent change then, because Mega worked fine last month here 00:22:57 gotta give credits to the Mega devs for actually declaring which fancy JS features they want, complete with minimum versions per browser, and with non-minified code 00:23:00 they still SUCK anyway 01:21:40 Windows is so bad that Chrome OS is somewhat preferable. 01:22:01 At least it has Linux applications now and doesn't shit itself with viruses and bad updates. 01:22:40 You absolutely can run SeaMonkey on a Chromebook. It's just not the most straightforward thing to set up. 01:26:57 Also, the comparison of Windows 11 vs Chrome OS on a typical sub-$200 laptop is hardly close. 01:27:17 Windows barely runs at all and Chromebooks make you wonder how they run so well on a Celeron with 4 GB RAM. 01:31:35 I would never use Chrome OS or Windows 11 anyway 08:43:55 "advanced HTML5 functionality", I think that's already a bit of a red flag , "quickly add support for new web standards" okay, now that just shows they don't know much about this, because if they knew, they'd know part of the problem is most of it isn't from any standard... 08:46:09 in one site, I've been able to get past ReadableStream by toggling the streams about:config preferences, but I didn't check about what the site is doing exactly and what do the preferences toggle compared to that. 08:46:47 tomman: ^ 17:54:13 Is there such a thing as working Youtube audio on SM/Linux without pulseaudio installed? It works in Palemoon and Chromium with only libpulse pluse pipewire/wireplumber.. 17:54:27 Is there such a thing as working Youtube audio on SM/Linux without pulseaudio installed? It works in Palemoon and Chromium with only libpulse plus pipewire/wireplumber.. 18:00:44 a-865: last I checked it just worked with alsa (requires compiling for alsa, though) 18:12:06 so I guess SM public builds are committed to following upstream in demanding the anachronism :( 18:15:16 a-865: I don't watch videos in web browsers anyway - for that I use mpv + yt-dlp 18:15:36 (I still belong that moving pictures do not belong to interactive document viewers, but then I'm a dinosaur) 18:15:59 as for Pulse, isn't it old news? The rage these days is Pipewire 18:16:19 and on many new distros, Pulse is emulated through Pipewire 18:16:50 youtube has howtos not found elsewhere 18:16:58 hard to avoid 18:17:17 apulse doesn't help 18:17:45 gah, I hate video tutorials, but yeah, I would use yt-dlp with those 18:18:33 I hate them too, but they are what is 18:19:06 yeah, nobody likes writing walls of text these days :/ 18:21:16 probably no one knows how any more 18:21:25 everything happens on a cellphone 18:43:33 Well media playback/handling on Linux is a mess. Code probably needs some updates from upstream Mozilla but this will take some time. 18:49:15 a-865: do you know what exactly doesn't work with apulse? I don't think I can test that directly anytime soon, but just in case... 19:01:21 njsg: nothing I recognize 19:01:22 # journalctl -b | egrep -i 'fail|puls|irep|alsa' 19:01:24 Sep 24 13:10:36 00srv rpc.statd[528]: Failed to create listener xprt (statd, 1, udp6) 19:01:25 Sep 24 13:10:36 00srv rpc.statd[528]: Failed to create listener xprt (statd, 1, tcp6) 19:01:27 Sep 24 13:12:25 00srv wireplumber[994]: Can't find org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop. Is xdg-desktop-portal running? 19:01:28 Sep 24 13:12:25 00srv wireplumber[994]: found session bus but no portal 19:01:30 Sep 24 13:12:25 00srv rtkit-daemon[1004]: Successfully made thread 994 of process 994 (/usr/bin/wireplumber) owned by '1050' high priority at nice level -11. 19:01:31 Sep 24 13:12:25 00srv rtkit-daemon[1004]: Successfully made thread 1025 of process 994 (/usr/bin/wireplumber) owned by '1050' RT at priority 20. 19:01:33 Sep 24 13:12:26 00srv wireplumber[994]: Failed to set scheduler settings: Operation not permitted 19:01:34 Sep 24 13:12:26 00srv wireplumber[994]: GetManagedObjects() failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner 19:02:27 Sep 24 13:12:25 00srv systemd[985]: Listening on PipeWire Multimedia System Socket. 19:02:29 Sep 24 13:12:25 00srv systemd[985]: Started PipeWire Multimedia Service. 19:02:30 Sep 24 13:12:25 00srv pipewire[993]: mod.rt: Can't find org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop. Is xdg-desktop-portal running? 19:02:32 Sep 24 13:12:25 00srv pipewire[993]: mod.rt: found session bus but no portal