16:02:28 <jonadab> njsg: I routinely use Google in a browser that has javascript disabled.  No problem.  Haven't experienced what you're describing.  Don't remember if I've tried Bing under those circumstances, but I haven't got much use for Bing regardless.
16:03:42 <jonadab> In my experience, *most* websites work at least as well with Javascript disabled, often better.  There are some notable exceptions, of course.  YouTube, obviously (and it's using it for core functionality, so fair enough).  Amazon, unfortunately (with no such excuse).
16:04:26 <jonadab> I know of two fairly well-known sites that pretty much *only* work with Javascript disabled and are unusuable if it's enabled.  Specifically, slashdot and Wikia/Fandom.
16:06:12 <jonadab> Oh, Google Maps is another one that requires javascript, for obvious reasons, legitimately.
16:32:53 <therube> there is no reason for JS.  you want a map? here, i can do one without JS:
16:32:55 <therube> start here: |--------- have fun along the way --------| end here. ;-)
16:35:09 <jonadab> A static map, sure, but if you want convenient panning and zooming, that gets *real* tedious without some kind of client-side scripting.
16:35:37 <jonadab> And if you want a static map, no problem, do a Google images search for the one you want.
16:35:40 <jonadab> That works without js.
17:40:28 <njsg> jonadab: That part wasn't about google, but web search engines in general
17:40:34 <njsg> jonadab: I think webcrawler has that
17:41:27 <njsg> there's plenty of javascript
17:41:43 <njsg> google maps has problems, more owing to how it uses javascript and how much it loads at tries to render
17:42:20 <njsg> somehow their street view interface is also not that usable, and the plain map interface also has some shortcomings, regarding pointing, clicking and not obscuring or hiding other things
17:42:58 <njsg> I always love when I drag the street view person over a train track and get a nearby street instead of the track street view, even in cases where there is one...
21:22:13 <IsambardPrince> SeaMonkey should probably be bumped for the emergency fix to libwebp.
21:22:28 <IsambardPrince> 2.53.17.1?
21:37:25 <IsambardPrince> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/09/judge-in-us-v-google-trial-didnt-know-if-firefox-is-a-browser-or-search-engine/