hi frg_Away

CaptainTobin hi

been exploring browser/ a bit in central

you realize it is complete insanity

like I see what they have done and a few pieces of UI that have only been transformed not redesigned is very very telling

someone didn't do their job properly cause I have enough to resolve the differences

to a basic extent

it is insanity tho

yes. Control flow during startup /shutdown is basically shot becuase they want to show something fast. And other things I dislike like the newtab

what do you do when there is more radical redesign happening and it is more insane than ever?

If we can't keep the source in central it is an academic question. So one step at a time.

well

CaptainTobin have Spidermonkey now at 61 which is stable but the backported regexp stuff dislike me. Looks like I need to go forward and see if I can align them more. gc crashes pretty fast.

I still say jump spidermonkey str8 to 68

and adjust xpc and jsapi calls accordingly

but your replay strat would be broken

frg_Away: basically i do need to create a pseudo-sane firefox browser if for no other reason than it can be tested to see just how far mozilla has fallen or how insane xhyperxulml actually is beyond what the files and devtools tell me

also how can waterfox people be so awesome to create late model bootstrap rdf and overlay capable polyfills but be too stupid to do the application forking correctly

frg_Away: people are weird

and leave mozconfigs in the root of the sourcetree

CaptainTobin basically a one man show. We are at least a few people show :)

that's just being a dick

commiting mozconfig to the root of the repo is being a dick

and ALEX knows this

ah frg_Away but the fruits of today's waterfox was not produced as a one man show but a corperate product of an adclick company

the LAST real one man show waterfox was classic

on... the base you are evolving successfully-ish-kinda-still-better-than-most-good-job

CaptainTobin classic had at least a few contributors. I didn't see an ad code in the later one and I suspect that is why it is now a one man show again.

least you are smart enough to realize insane problems require insane solutions see your dev train

lol

i can respect that so much

frg_Away: you know I am only learning about current day gecko so i can embed it in xpfe for no reason than it will seriously break some people's minds thinking about it

well just pushed l10n to our hg and git masters so this is sane again.

I wish I could do l10n for people but it is such a large job tho have they figured out how to just default back to en-US when strings aren't found yet?

if I EVER design a string system it will have FALLBACK DEFAULT as english strings

if i knew how to code it i'd solve it in xul by telling it if it is chrome priv then no entity return entity name as string

The merge at lest is better now but I think the fallback is now only implemented in Fluid. But this is sooo complicated again. Designed to fly to the moon again when you just need strings. Overengineered imho.

if not desired explicitly chrome manifest flag strictentitys=true

we need a new engine designed with xpfe/toolkit and gecko capabilities but webkit's orginal k-cleanness

maybe one day

or maybe servo

lol

it would be almost trivial to just embed chromium inside of gecko 1.8.1 (after i get gcc building updated)

and just do it that way

someone needs to fork thunderbird's frontend before they completely and finally fuck it up be radically diverging from the communicator orginal mailnews structure

more than firefox ui aesthteic casing already did at our levels

servo is dead. And if it is all rust I leave it to others. Ok with doing backports but I really dislike this language.

servo is dead as far as mozilla

but others are interested again

yeah you really can't do much with mozilla now not with much that came before it.. I mean it is still completely possible to have a non-firefox mozilla application but you'd have to use dev history of conversions and your own experience and increasingly fleeting documentation to work out just what they have done and when and how

and the shitty thing of it is

right now would be the perfect time to jump back on because there are signs of more shit to come and commonalities for compairson are dwinding

frg_Away: you do realize the moment that thunderbird gets mailnews core and fe to match firefox specs thunderbird will just become a webextension for firefox

right

or at least there is a STRONG likelyhood of it

webextensions will never be able to do this. A pwa maybe but Firefox does not support them. And I block them in Edge. The last thing I need is a web app having access to local reources by design. Of course all safe and sandboxed... It is this way already with classic extensions but I can live with this.

first two things to do in a firefox of today.. make the tabs that are tabs look like tabs again and remove all the bundled webextension garbage they added in as experiments

frg_Away: webextension != chrome extension

it just IS chrome extension + mozextras

that was the selling point

or they will make it a different format

not much extras. They use experiment apis but are still limited.

call it an applet like i was gonna do with an appcore

their old system add-ons were just xul extensions but for thee not for me

they could add that kinda shit back different extension different manifest diffrent trigger

do it that way

matches gmp strat

That is why the devtools client is still built-in

indeed

they just HAVE to decide to add more ways and then there are.. more ways

IF is the question

with all the ui garbage opera and edge are doing

mozilla MAY have to open up a more expanded "browser extension" form of webex tech

to keep up

cause they can't internally

and webex is still MOSTLY just chrome's shit

not addressing mozshit

well luckily you log this channel and there are a few assimilated mozis here so they are now aware that is an option they can pursue and take credit for.. my gift i guess lol

if kairo were smart he'd push it

but he is matrix so

not here so not smart

anymore

hi job how's the college going?

pretty fine so far, classes haven't really started yet despite the first day supposedly being last Tuesday

im tired from the volunteer effort yesterday to get a public elementary school nearby ready for their own first day of classes

lol

that's nice you are involved in more than what's left of the internet

I might consider it one day

... one day

Touhou is literally the only thing keeping me sane here in the internet :P

job: sanity is an elusive quality

job: at least Cirno doesn't make web browsers... YET

(also eventually ZUN's liver will force him to quit beer... and making new games under the influence!)

tomman: Apparently she wrote some :P plan9.io/wiki/plan9/web_browsers/index.html

Cirno may be an idiot, but she's not batshit insane ;)

true~

that's the job of Clownpiece

so how do you feel about sys.mjs

frg_Away:

CaptainTobin Neutral. Seem they want to put language features in for which js was never designed. But it is useful so if it works and we are not seeing the 6th or 7th iteration of ChromeUtils.import so it be. Supporting it will probably not easy with xpconnecxt still functional. Not sure.

frg_Away: so they went from Components.import to ChromeUtils.import to es6 modules but not true ones sorda still half-jsms.. except now i no longer know what symbol it is exporting

also xref doesn't index mjs yet

nor treat xhtml as xul

best see if i can rememdy that

soonish

xhtml useage in our levels also is for including html namespace shit so it will be fine anyway

You forgot the 3 or 4 variants of ChromeUtils import :)

sorry I am still PRE-ChromeUtils so not forgot just don't know and might not care lol

half the about pages rely on bubbling up to the chrome window level

that is exceedingly conserning frg_Away

all started with the UI tour

i KNEW that was gonna be abused horribly once possible

it breaks the browser element layer and alows inner to affect outter

and that scares the fuck out of me

if that gets back into normal user hands

or an exploit allows it to happen from the web

it is like mozilla is trying to turn xhtml into remote xul frg_Away

Only implemented the 60 level because compativle with Components.import

just noting (not concerned) pcsx2.net loads as a "black page" in SeaMonkey

therube: can confirm here

"SyntaxError: missing : after property id main.d9781a86.js:2:206878"

also some CSS visibility:hidden script shenanigans

therube: It sends wget a 403 error.

So clearly somebody is _messing around_

(messing around with what content different browsers receive, I mean)

never thought to try wget. maybe they're just blocking it?

curl gets a custom Cloudflare block page.

So yeah, the site is deliberately sending different content to different browsers for some reason.

in the meanwhile, PCSX2 is still a mess to compile :/

So it almost certainly will only send the real content to the two or three specific browsers that the site authors care about.

but that's fine, let's also bring that mess to our public website

I would file this under some combination of Sturgeon's Law and "There are more websites in the world than there are people, so if a particular website isn't usable, you can find another one."

I was looking around and openSUSE seems to have a port for everything I use on ARM, including SeaMonkey.

Is anyone actually using this on a Pi?

I know Firefox is horribly broken on PowerPC. I have no familiarity with non-x86 platforms.

jonadab: that's cloudflare's valuable protection, I've seen sites where it's looking at the TLS interaction too...

"Clownflare is totally not a MITM, no sir, they're a Valuable Internet Partner"

jonadab: in this case, changing UA in curl is enough, so it possibly isn't even looking at TLS?

11% of all Web sites use them. It's getting to be quite annoying as a user of NoScript and a non-US VPN server.

So are they pissed off by SeaMonkey in the UA string?

who knows (no really, I think this can have different settings, and it can also be automagic)

I can say "Firefox" suffices here