02:16:52 <IsambardPrince> At the current rate of lost users, Firefox won't be a viable product in 5 or 6 years.
02:17:03 <IsambardPrince> So SeaMonkey may outlive Firefox _and_ Mozilla.
02:18:37 <IsambardPrince> From the meeting notes, it looks like what happens to Mozilla doesn't actually matter much to SeaMonkey at this point since they don't want to do anything to assist it and continue making unpopular decisions for Firefox that continue to spawn forks of even Firefox.
02:18:38 <tomman> and instead IE will win
02:18:43 <tomman> ooops, it's Chrome
02:19:11 <tomman> if Mozilla dies, that's the day I'll quit Internet and computers for good
02:19:18 <tomman> and I'm pretty much serious on that
02:19:25 <tomman> I do not want to live in a World of Chrome™
02:19:28 <IsambardPrince> Mitchell Baker is a pet of Google.
02:19:48 <IsambardPrince> She stays and never does anything to oppose what they want. Meanwhile, they lose 43,200 Firefox users per day.
02:20:30 <IsambardPrince> That's kind of a problem when you're losing a Cook County, Illinois worth of users roughly 3.5 months.
02:21:05 <IsambardPrince> That's a rate of attrition that rapidly destabilizes something like a Web browser company and could get a fair bit worse.
02:21:21 <IsambardPrince> This is based on their own statistics.
02:22:02 <IsambardPrince> Making Firefox look and act like Chrome obviously didn't work. It's time to declare "Try anything once." and try something else.
02:22:10 <IsambardPrince> Like actually giving the users control of the browser again.
02:22:55 <IsambardPrince> They say they use telemetry to justify everything, including their decision to remove the GUI option to disable active scripting.
02:23:54 <IsambardPrince> Is it plausible that SeaMonkey will support the WebExtension and maintained versions of ubo and NoScript at some point?
02:30:56 <IsambardPrince> On a more positive note. I can no longer read about the layoffs in SeaMonkey through Layoff Tracker. Their chart no longer works, and neither do the lies about the COVID shots from the Illinois state government. You just wait and the Web gets less and less irritating.
02:31:40 <IsambardPrince> No more layoffs. No more COVID updates. They rely on the same Microsoft server sending Chrome spew.
02:34:52 <tomman> wonder what Chromeism-of-the-week™ they're relying now
02:35:05 <tomman> or simply yet another consumer of dynamic imports
02:50:45 <franstam> why is Pale Moon not in contention?
04:07:10 <IsambardPrince> I can shop on Walmart.com with SeaMonkey but not Firefox.
04:07:26 <IsambardPrince> Firefox has a glitch where you can't check out and select a pickup time for your order.
04:07:43 <IsambardPrince> It's kind of funny that Walmart doesn't care if people using Firefox can order anything from them or not.
06:17:18 <IsambardPrince> Rotten Tomatoes stopped working. When did that happen?
06:58:07 <job> The day Mozilla dies will be the day of the rebirth of small web. I am actively hoping for the collapse of this corporation within my lifetime
08:06:42 <IsambardPrince> Controlled opposition.
08:07:11 <IsambardPrince> Saying that Mozilla isn't a branch of Google is like saying that Belarus isn't a part of Russia.
08:07:19 <IsambardPrince> Technically, it isn't.
09:33:19 <njsg> IsambardPrince: Rotten Tomatoes has been broken for a long time, I think
09:33:26 <njsg> but I haven't been checking