I wonder what the plans are for SeaMonkey and GTK 4. *laughs*

The GNOME People are already starting to brick GTK3.

That was fast.

Well first Wayland ... urgkkkk.... *p*ke.

They dumped WebkitGTK4, which is totally not confusingly the version for GTK3.

I love how they lob a new version out then immediately sabotage anyone using the last one.

If you are a GTK3 app and you need Webkit, and were using it, it no longer will work on Fedora.

How extensively does SeaMonkey actually use GTK?

(Has there been any new interest in X11? As in, a group of people who want to see it evolve as X11, instead of envisioning a migration to Wayland?)

We did a few posts on this at Techrights.

IsambardPrince: eh... you don't need GTK4 for that. GTK3 has been a nightmare of sorts. changes between minor versions mean you need different themes for different minor versions of GTK3

Wayland is an IBM thing. They can only spread it with dirty tricks and FUD.

A lot of applications don't care because they'd have to be torn apart and rewritten to be less than they are now.

I think I recall having read the description of Xorg being "on life support". Now no matter whether you like Wayland or not, that's a problem right there, if there isn't a project with people actively interested in it beyond "life support", there's not much of a way for it to continue existing further than the short term

The X mailing list is active.

I don't know how much more activity you need on something that's almost 40 and feature complete.

Even 90s gpu drivers get updates.

X is beyond feature complete.

There are features I want in a windowing system, and last I checked there had been a path to implement some of them in wayland, I don't recall if that has been implemented or not. But they were not present from the beginning, I think.

It has so many features most of them don't even get used anymore.

IsambardPrince: oh, did Xorg fix the issue with siliconmotion(?) GPUs where it couldn't start a full-screen, native screen size screen on the same hardware where Xfree86 could? :-P

No idea.

Did XFree86 ever release a written driver that distros were tossing around for two years for my ATI card?

:)

No idea :-)

XFree86 was horrid.

The only reason I could even startx was because of Mandrake Linux shipping a driver that implemented 2d support, enough to grab the proprietary driver.

There are definitely less names on the mailing list though.

Alan Coopersmith has been pushing a lot of stuff. I need to look at git to see who wrote it.

He may just be pushing a lot of that as release manager.

Yeah, most of the scroll is XWayland.

They're doing more work to not have X11 than they were to keep X11.

Well, it's making sense that they're telling people to quit working on other desktop stuff and spend more time on Wayland/XWayland.

I think they want to wrap this up after 15 years of still not working.