11:33:25 Off toppic: If anyone is using vbox under 7 8.1: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=540115#p540115 12:28:29 Previous status meeting notes updated and merged with the upcoming ones for today: 12:28:31 https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-07-30 12:28:32 https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-08-20 12:43:50 yay Orrible, even the Virtualbox forums are now blocked here in Venezuela 13:40:00 Here for the meeting 13:48:55 meeting starts in 15 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-08-20 13:59:14 meeting starts in 4 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-08-20 14:02:24 hi .* 14:02:35 Hi all 14:02:48 I am here checking in agian 14:03:46 Meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-08-20 14:03:56 hi njsg, frg_away and WG9s 14:04:38 Seems my nick was a bit messed up from all the changes so needed to namually set it. 14:04:44 Who's taking minutes? 14:05:20 me 14:05:23 thanks 14:05:30 Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank? 14:05:34 late as usual probably sorry 14:05:51 WG9s for building and support. 14:07:32 seconded 14:07:54 Action Items 14:08:18 thirded 14:09:05 we've had a reply back from Mozilla, need to sort out a virtual meeting with them now 14:10:22 Need to sort out what we would still like to have I think. 14:11:17 Otherwise bau from me. 14:11:25 late but here~ 14:11:34 helloworld.exe 14:11:43 I wonder if i shuld stop dong the c-c builds if they are irrelvant, but then we might still be doing backports 14:11:43 hi again tomman 14:12:06 hi tomman 14:12:28 WG9s I think it si still good to get them building. Especially for l10n. 14:13:07 frOK I will keep them going until someone says no longer required 14:14:36 Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure 14:15:27 IanN is the Rocky 8 and Windows server done? If the Rocky 8 works I would check in the incompatible with CentOS 7 changes. 14:15:36 We may look to switching to dedicated builders rather than Azure VM builders, we still need to work on the details/options/costs 14:16:02 frg: I believe ewong has been doing some test builds on the new boxes 14:16:24 IanN if you have the addresses let me know. 14:16:54 Yeah the azure builders are dead slow. 14:17:24 But dedicated ones need to be secured a bit more. 14:25:29 Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree 14:26:18 All building I think. Need to do some central checkins but was real busy in the last weeks. 14:26:57 Trying to get SpiderMonkey updated for 2.53. Great progress locally but not yet fully stable with the latest regexp stuff. 14:31:53 Not much else here from me for source. But updating masters in git and hg is still just a matter of time. patching becomes slow. 14:32:50 what's the next big Javascript shiny in the radar? 14:33:39 * njsg imagines Oracle implementing a JVM on top of Javascript 14:34:35 tomman bigint and dynamic modules. But I need to fix my local queue first. 14:35:28 dynamic modules are indeed getting a pest, thankfully the regex stuff seems solid on the .18b1 builds 14:36:11 tomman yeah crahses pretty fast now in my queue so this needs to work. 14:36:48 I either need to fix it or put more stuff in so that the original stuff applies clean(er). 14:37:28 Release Train 14:39:26 2.53.17 is done. Wonder if we should do the next beta fast to get the regexp stuff out. Missing support now breaks tons of sites. 14:41:58 probably 14:43:23 Let my try to fix my queue and if not we do it next week. 14:44:33 frg: yes, it would be nice to get your local queue in 14:47:46 Extensions Tracking 14:48:38 The pref changes still cause fallout but nothing else I think. Fortunately an easy fixer. 14:50:56 I plan to put Bug 1444119 in today but looking at this code I doubt it will caause even a mini ripple. If it does let me know. 14:51:12 yeah, we try to avoid breaking add-ons but sometimes need to land changes to allow for later patches to go in 14:53:01 2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable 14:53:50 bau. 14:53:52 BAU for me 14:57:01 AOB 14:57:22 I am still working on geting all patforms to work building with latest stable clang and linking with lld. just having to find time to do it have a plumbing issue at home and that seems to take precedence. 14:59:42 yeah water or depending on the problem no water comes first :) 15:03:23 okay, I'll call this a meeting, thanks for you time today. Next meeting in 3 weeks times, same bat channel, same bat time 15:03:27 water leaks, memory leaks, both are a pain 15:03:45 gc crashes too :) 15:03:58 at least my premises do not leak secrets 15:04:11 ...yet! 18:16:59 https://fosstodon.org/@gabrielesvelto/110915743701625636 basically this guy should have said "all OS are broken, this is why we're breaking support too" and saved the twitstorm 23:18:46 For security reasons, I think it would be wise not to depend on Azure.