hi all

ewong hi

bought batteries, site hangs/loops after payment submitted to paypal: batterysharks.com/checkout/#payment

100% CPU

hm. just pulled latest updates to my ubuntu laptop and now seamonkey is much much slower. not showing high CPU use.

barely breaks 15%

long lags in GUI though.

hey therube the screenshot of their upcoming fork the revised permissions manager? That is from Borealis so yes it will be a completely unorginal fork which knowing mrnhmath it will be very not great to use

so it will be a suite with borealis enhancements

taken from me

i mean they been cheering on taking stuff from borealis all year long for something like this

more in the off topic board but still

they are leaving out design enhancements I made to the permissions manager aside from restoring it.. they might be using eariler patches

before I did the wizard header thing for most dialogs

also therube.. mailnews is incredbibly weighty ontop of the more modern bits of the codebase so yes mailnews inclusion has a tangible runtime impact even if you never open up mailnews it is just more if you do

especially at UXP's code level and post-2020 runtime state

I had to use extreme optz when initally building interlink for 64bit for those with 15 year old profiles

over time stuff became really fast but then webcomponents happened and shit started slowing down again

but mailnews is not trivial weight wise when it comes to resources and efficiency

mrnhmath likely also does not know the sources from that era in comm suite building requires fetching shit.. now mailnews and ldap are already in uxp but what isn't is inspector sources and aside from my last release version of domi .. i dunno if he is gonna provide that either.. ALSO devtools hookup doesn't work in our state.. he has a fuck ton to do especially if he is g4jc'ing it without proper prep

same with chatzilla sources

and ambassador is abandoned and no one else knows dick about chatzilla

does chatzilla still have any use?

sure

unless you like your self

lol

here comes frg_Away to make sure I don't go too far off the rails

it only does IRC. if it were multi-protocol, using e.g. libpurple, it might be more useful

lol

hyc: perhaps

but there are no real protocols much anymore

just web-apis

so irc is good regardless cause it is still an actual protocol that has dick to do with the web

and in terms of support.. well an irc client with a direct line to your support community in your communicator product?

totally makes sense

... except no one likes IRC unless they still use their brain critically

so heh

Tobin just came home from work and grabbing something to eat so my comments come later :)

hm. updating from 2.53.16 to 2.53.17 seems to have helped here

GUI isn't sluggish any more

Tobin I find mailnews innert if not in use in 2.53. I am not seeing anything in the about memory reports here But we cleaned it up 2.53 pretty good and untagled when possible. The bundled cZ should have all Ambasador fixes. IanN did a fix and clean here. I did monor things and also some cleaning. Network editor among other things is in and also fixed up. Support for emojies too.

mailnews aside from some early spot patching is virtually unchanged from esr52

there was a SLIGHT revamp and further patch up but frankly no one understands the mailnews core i am just the closest of the lot

right but for them it is a bunch of work or just unknown and i am not sure any will do that work it deserves

Tobin well with the latest "enhancments" in central it is now js hell mixed with c++

yeah

jorgk probably knows it best

which is largely why I left well enough alone ... there are scary warnings from the netscape days and I respect em

also i have proven the validity of the netscape era warnings

;)

I think redoing protocols in js was a mistake. Now you don't have a compiler complaining about errors.

I did backports and minor stuff. In the next life I will do more.

cZ was revamped for 2.53.10. Pretty stable since then: ibb.co/B2y2gWm

I think simple protocols in the mozilla way in js historically is fine but if it is more than a few bits and bobs it should be a proper cpp code

yeah well these people aren't interested in your non-pure codebase for anything but patch raping

mine either

Well we did the same but give credit whenever possible.

i do

have been even before it all collapsed for me

it isn't my intended vision but at least it IS one for you guys .. more than i can say at some prior points in this project's history

for me the complex interaction between classical parts I am learning more and more about every day and the moz-imposed changes provides facinating contrasts

and gives me ideas

plus most here are merely occasionally annoyed at me so yes credit all around at every level

Thank you frg_Away

seriously

and everyone

but as for thenext UXP suite fork.. you and I both know the state 2.49 was in and how much work I did just to get a half-way working navigator out of it that was to my liking and i have abandoned by no-xpfe autocomplete strat in pursuite of total xpfe lol

and yes you cleaned up the various components and such but they don't have any of it at their level

they have what they can take from me.. and what they have to backport old schoolwise

Tobin yeah the bookmarks manager is half broken. I tried to get the library revamp in but gave up. I also think half of the clear private data stuff is broken too. This also was 100% redone. Sessionstore is still not that great in 2.53.

only cut copy and paste is busted otherwise it is just in a sloppy state which I tidied up a bit in Borealis as you know

they might try and port Pale Moon's places components because it is closer than australis's version fe wise

if they are that capable

that is

I also think Lightning should be included. If someone does not need it can be disabled. Being able to accept invites and send them is good.

that was gonna be my plan if i HAD to go places

oh yeah distribution was changed in interlink to just bundled.. screw that releng nightmare

and support nightmare

Tobin clearing parts of history tended to junk all of it. Not sure if you fixed the apis too.

i dunno if i ran into that behavior got a repro proceedure?

to trigger it

I do know sessionstore ain't much better than the orginal 1.5 or 2.0 version

firefox 1.5 or 2.0*

like barely above the transition to the aviary toolkit

i assume you have enhanced it in 2.53

along with everything else

Try clearing per date or site only. Mozill atook out some apis and this junked everything. I think it was per date.

Anyway it is now 4 years old history for me. And tip might not be the latest one either unless you make sure to use our esr 52 branches.

i don't think we HAVE forget about site functionality at the 2.49 level in suite did we?

i used your released sources

tarball

you guys had already gone silly by then or started to

Then it was date ralated.

repo wise i mena

lol

as long as you admit the current dev system is insane or at least silly as all hell I am fine with you continuing it for as long as it suit..es you

52 was the latest same one. Just branching.

but i went with tarballs to be on the safeside and because I didn't preserve repo history

for my source infusion

Tobin I would love to do it differently. I think we could checkin the comm patches up to the wip ones into master now. Rarely needed to shuffle some stuff around there or fix up old patches.

ok

we do have delete histroy for x

.. seems .. fine one of the few things with this current incarnation that is

was this seamonkey specific or whole platform?

this history issue

also you know in gecko/48 or 49 they removed the global history code

I am in the middle of updating Spidermonkey to 61 level now. Took me two weeks now and would be impossible in this time without the mq extension. I even found some bad rebases. I hope to have this finished soon and if I can get it working next level is 62 and beyond. Already got it to 60.

I am gonna hook up UXP's spidermonkey to gecko 1.8.1 eventually

Tobin was SeaMonkey specific. Firefox was already cripped to account for the removal. We just didn't notice.

and merge netscape core technologies into qt3 creating xpqt and then merge kde and mozilla the rest together

Tobin I think if you group history by Day and website and remove something it will junk everything.

nop seems solid

guess we fixed it

some how

some way

somewhere

frg_Away: repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProducti…ch/master/toolkit/components/places

anything stand out?

look earlier rather than more recent

i know I restored nsPlacesAutoComplete and typeAheadResult support and undepercated nsNavHistory::GetPageTitle and nsNavBookmarks::GetURIForKeyword

others did change-y stuff

cause I don't actually like Places

It was some places api removal. I think bug was in the 123x xrange but it was long ago. Bug 1233744 for clear private data was already open too but SeaMonkey specific.

Bug 643254 I think

Bug 1347652 was it

" 12 years ago" - who in their right mind would still be using such a buggy product ;-)

better question, who in their right mind would have devised such a devious feature - Mozilla ;-)