00:54:21 <tonymec|away> WG9s: IanN_Away: SeaMonkey 2.53.18b1pre 20230708211500 disables all add-ons including ChatZilla. Help→Restart with Add-ons (not) disabled changes nothing. I've gone back to build ID 20230708110002 which has them.
09:17:28 <frg_Away> tonymec|away Missing line/bad rebase. Should be ok tomorrow again.
09:19:43 <tonymec|away> frg_Away: Next time I see a new build I'll try it; but I'll keep yesterday's "good" tar.bz2 just in case.
09:20:39 <frg_Away> tonymec|away was offline for most of the day yesterday. Internet provider had a major outage here in the north.
09:21:03 <tonymec|away> frg_Away: :-(
09:24:48 <IanN_Away> frg_Away: weather related
09:24:55 <IanN_Away> ?
10:13:51 <CaptainTobin> no framstam just back to the single pound spelled out copy linked to a matrix room.. links are on the front page.. not gonna link it here
10:15:04 <frg_Away> IanN_Away not sure what caused the outage. Building housing a hub for northern Germany had an electricity failure. Maybe someone cut a cable ? :)
10:18:31 * CaptainTobin checks logbot
10:19:11 <CaptainTobin> sup?
10:19:14 <frg_Away> CaptainTobin hi
10:19:52 <CaptainTobin> You are on early reletive to useal.. doing a status meeting later?
10:28:35 <frg_Away> yes also woke up earlier. Work tomorrow so need to adapt :)
10:29:28 <frg_Away> Need to do the last weeting notes too. Watned to do it yesterday but internet took a coffee break.
10:31:41 <CaptainTobin> I am assisting someone with a demo "webapp" actually using my code to demostrate openshift container tech specifically how it isn't JUST for the off-the-shelf packages.. I am gonna use selene code as the basis the code that runs the Pale Moon Developer Site .. vs my current day php standards
10:31:48 <CaptainTobin> as a lifecycle demo
10:31:52 <CaptainTobin> so that is nifty
10:32:28 <CaptainTobin> gives me a good external reason to get a bunch of shit accomplished so really helping my friend helps me way more than one might think and that is exactly what I could use right now
10:35:59 <CaptainTobin> besides, it ain't like much has happened in the year and a half since my last update of phoebus and decendant code updates .. I guess after all this time my systems have really proven their worth.. as they are able to stand up without updates or development or any kind of conserning care about unfinished but solid as hell systems I developed not forked but created.
11:04:30 <frg_Away> CaptainTobin Do you think if this bug is included it makes a dent with old add-ons? Bug 1389510
11:05:24 <frg_Away> Doing it would make followup js patches apply cleaner and faster.
11:05:28 <CaptainTobin> stand by
11:09:44 <CaptainTobin> have to see when it was introduced
11:11:11 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: that has been something from back to netscape 6.. at least mozilla 0.9.4.1
11:11:31 <CaptainTobin> http://xrchive.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-0.9.4.1/source/dom/src/base/nsDOMClassInfo.cpp#1872
11:14:25 <CaptainTobin> honestly given how little code is removed just to break a core feature in xpc i dunno what benefit it really is.. is there a reason you would want to take it in dude?
11:14:28 <CaptainTobin> uhh
11:14:32 <CaptainTobin> accept the patch.
11:17:24 <CaptainTobin> I would say FOR NOW.. Convert the consumers but leave the code in place until you bump up against it in a way that justifies its removal
11:17:35 <CaptainTobin> unless you wanna do a random sampling from caa
11:17:44 <CaptainTobin> and SEE how much it is used
11:17:49 <frg_Away> I might take it out and let it bake a bit. This code has a hugs followup chain with property changes.  Bug 1404310. and lots of others. So far I managed but took me hours of rebasing already.
11:18:14 <CaptainTobin> true
11:19:03 <CaptainTobin> dude i love this 1.8.1 code well the non-toolkit parts so much more modular
11:19:27 <CaptainTobin> i'd check if domi needs it lol
11:19:39 <CaptainTobin> cause if so that at least to me would be unacceptable
11:19:45 <CaptainTobin> cause domi is life
11:20:28 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: is dom inspector dead here?
11:20:43 <frg_Away> Not in 2.53 but we have broken it a bit.
11:21:27 <CaptainTobin> shame on you
11:21:41 <CaptainTobin> i mean mozilla killed venkman long ago
11:21:53 <CaptainTobin> you MUST keep DOMi alive!
11:22:08 <CaptainTobin> heh
11:22:22 <frg_Away> unintentional. IanN_Away mentioned some css breakage.. Just didnÄt have to time to look into it. Overall it still works.
11:23:23 <CaptainTobin> I am gonna just bake it back in
11:24:22 <frg_Away> well the devtools debugger is quite ok but the css stuff is blarg...
11:24:26 <CaptainTobin> btw if i take an xpfe codebase and make it linux only then the xp part would no longer apply correct? so then what do I say xpfe means when it is on linux only?
11:24:30 <CaptainTobin> Obvious
11:24:38 <CaptainTobin> The eXPerence Front-end
11:25:33 <CaptainTobin> I have never liked the orion or the firebug based devtools
11:25:45 <CaptainTobin> least yours aren't jetpack anymore RIGHT
11:25:55 <CaptainTobin> tell me you ported THAT goodness at last right?
11:27:19 <CaptainTobin> seems my reduced patch for that intl shit i did .. wasn't everything it HELPED but didn't solve everything and it is gonna get deep
11:27:39 <frg_Away> addon-sdk is still in but the devtools no longer use it. I would love to get rid of the sdk but... Already breaking too much older stuff.
11:27:47 <CaptainTobin> and if MCP releases in this condition they are gonna be so fucked.. I just had to give up and revert aura back so i could work
11:30:41 <CaptainTobin> BTW in typical BinOC (and maybe Portal's Aperture) style.. I have come up with an excessively grandious name for what I intend to use mozilla and kde code to do.. The Binary Outcast Desktop Environment and Software Collection.. BinOC/DESC!
11:32:31 <CaptainTobin> and just by doing that I no longer have to justify to my self the pursuit of projects because if it fits within THOSE extremely wide bounds it is relevant activity
11:33:20 <CaptainTobin> shit.. a lot of people have a talent for manipulating me.. figured i'd give it a shot
11:34:19 <CaptainTobin> i think more tho about this bug
11:34:31 <CaptainTobin> it cites more emphasis on npapi's internal useage
11:34:37 <CaptainTobin> more than add-ons useage
11:34:46 <CaptainTobin> maybe we cna use some basic logic to narrow it down some
11:36:32 <CaptainTobin> i got a BETTER idea
11:37:13 <CaptainTobin> your bake-in idea but just start downloading shit that exists and functions today off atbn
11:37:41 <CaptainTobin> if almost nothing busts.. keep it gone or revert it based on what is actually on atbn and worked before you removed it
11:38:02 <CaptainTobin> pick extensions that modify content, the popular ones, and any web dev-y ones
11:38:17 <CaptainTobin> as your sample selection
11:38:38 <CaptainTobin> how does that sound to give you the BEST idea of what you should do about this bug
11:40:10 <frg_Away> I checked prefbar NoScript and uBlock. Not affected I think.
11:40:16 <CaptainTobin> and at the very least you can say to anyone who has an issue with it that you did this this and that and decided this was the best course given the factors yadda yadda but if you want to bring the feature back yadda get involved etc
11:41:36 <CaptainTobin> i mean that seems to work out best unless you wanna just ditch it all and explore xpfe and evolve it differently
11:41:44 <CaptainTobin> lol
11:42:15 <frg_Away> greasemonkey might need to be checked too. If this is not affected probably nothing halfway mainstream is.
11:44:47 <CaptainTobin> I mean at the end of the day this is all best effort anyway and I have always believed that even if the effort might fall somewhat short true effort can be appreciated never the less. Tho experience hasn't really agreed with that.. I still want to believe that can be the case.
11:49:38 <CaptainTobin> still.. never forget a relative retard like my self did over 8 years turn a minor rebuild into a mini-mozilla.. so the bar is rather low as it is .. tho if you aren't careful you might turn your mini-mozilla into a dalek empire and get exterminated by your creations as typically happens.. but nevermind about that ..
11:51:45 <CaptainTobin> I will be glad to leave windows
11:51:48 <CaptainTobin> soon
11:52:06 <CaptainTobin> I have so had enough of systems I have no control over
11:54:13 <frg_Away> I am very happy with Server 2019 and Linux seems to go to the crappers. Suse Leap 15.5 with KDE is good and 15.6 will probably be too but ALP is on the horizon. They could put these immutable contaier stuff in the dumpster for all I care.
11:55:19 <CaptainTobin> well linux hardware and drivers is gonna get a boost
11:55:47 <CaptainTobin> but as we know it will be a few more ups and downs before userland software and ux is back to something more rational
11:56:06 <njsg> now if hardware firmware quality got a boost too
11:56:12 * njsg looks in the direction of Broadcom
11:56:26 <CaptainTobin> and so there is gonna be a good software and desktop environment gap in the space where drivers are improving and the more mobile-y shit is gonna get more mainstream
11:56:54 <CaptainTobin> on linux in the hands of people people
11:57:06 <CaptainTobin> formerly known as morons
11:57:15 <njsg> CaptainTobin: I suppose someday in the future some DE projects are gonna be like "look this kind of futuristic layout with so much usability and customization [image of KDE 3]"
11:57:35 <CaptainTobin> njsg: Hi.
11:57:39 <CaptainTobin> ;)
11:57:48 <njsg> hi, hi
11:57:54 <CaptainTobin> I am LITERALLY doing that as a starting point
11:58:05 <CaptainTobin> I am AHEAD OF THE CURVE
11:58:17 <CaptainTobin> I just curved back around faster!
11:58:30 <njsg> maybe I should go calculate the amount of whitespace in the Windows 98 UI. I'm sure the web view for folders is gonna skew results a bit, though
11:58:57 <CaptainTobin> yeah but webview was very customizable
11:59:31 <CaptainTobin> Think back to Mozilla and KDE of the early to mid 2000s..
11:59:47 <CaptainTobin> wasn't there a sense of similarity
12:00:15 <CaptainTobin> and like they should have naturally worked together and done a kickass desktop experience?
12:00:23 <CaptainTobin> but every attempt failed
12:00:28 <CaptainTobin> every last one
12:01:01 <CaptainTobin> xpfe and kde2/3 design are almost identical
12:01:29 <CaptainTobin> because they both take windows and mac elements and mix them into a really great hybrid of the best of the user interfaces
12:02:05 <CaptainTobin> while xpfe wasn't as customizable as toolkit... toolkit applications indeed were every bit as extensable and customizable as kde applications and the environment was
12:02:14 <CaptainTobin> they should have been natural allies
12:02:44 <CaptainTobin> in impl they are also likewise similar
12:02:52 <CaptainTobin> oweing partly to qt
12:03:07 <frg_Away> https://www.trinitydesktop.org/
12:03:31 <frg_Away> They always remind me of SeaMonkey
12:04:15 <CaptainTobin> They are more like Pale Moon than SeaMonkey
12:04:25 <CaptainTobin> which is why I didn't just try and join them
12:04:34 <CaptainTobin> nasty people some of em
12:06:49 <CaptainTobin> sorry but as far as trinity's negatives well seamonkey does share a number but they are in the scope of reasonable feasablity and priorities and some decisions made .. the aspects it shares more with mcp and how I used to operate was more along the lines of spiteful vindictive persistance even when it is stupid.
12:06:59 <CaptainTobin> you guys don't do that
12:13:05 <frg_Away> I try to not get personal. It is only a hobby and a browser. And usually there are two sites of the coin. Which does not mean I like everyone. I am not Jesus and not on this world be be a saint :)
13:12:20 <tonymec|away> frg_Away: Problem FIXED in Build ID 20230709110001.
13:13:46 <frg_Away> tonymec|away yeah. IanN_Away pushed a fix. I just did the meeting notes and merged with current template. Took it out because just a one time breakage.
13:16:46 <tonymec|away> frg_Away: I was going to add a line saying "✔ FIXED in 20230709110001" then I saw the entry was gone.
13:19:38 <frg_Away> these one time breakages happen all the time so shouldn't be in the meeting notes.  Not a bug tracker :) Wonder if we need a new wiki too when mozilla kicks us soon.
13:34:31 <natewrench> is the html editing software composer made available separately
13:36:17 <njsg> CaptainTobin: yes, it was. I remember plaing with the... FHT? files?
13:36:50 <njsg> was it folder.fht or something else?
13:38:14 <frg_Away> natewrench no
13:57:11 <njsg> hi .*
13:59:57 <WG9s> hi fr
14:00:05 <WG9s> still here for a bit of the meeting
14:00:18 <WG9s> hi frg_away
14:00:30 <tomman> hello world~
14:00:33 <tomman> running out of pancakes here
14:01:23 <frg_away> Meeting time in 2 minutes when IanN_Away shows up :)
14:01:34 <WG9s> frdo we have any feedback on if the new builds work for people?
14:01:38 <frg_away> https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-07-09
14:01:49 <WG9s> oops wrong channel
14:02:01 <IanN> sorry, writing an email
14:02:29 <frg_away> still one minute left :)
14:03:22 <IanN> meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-07-09
14:03:29 <IanN> hi rsx11m
14:03:30 <frg_away> Hi rsx11m
14:03:36 <rsx11m> just in time :-0
14:06:39 <WG9s> where is our fearless leader?
14:06:43 <frg_away> Seems IanN fell asleep wrinting the mail :)
14:06:50 <frg_away> I do the meeting notes
14:07:01 <rsx11m> maybe we are done already? ;-)
14:07:18 <IanN> who's taking notes
14:07:24 <frg_away> me
14:07:24 <rsx11m> ^^^
14:07:54 <frg_away> Last ones only today becuase I had an internet outage yesterday.
14:08:47 <IanN> thanks
14:08:55 <IanN> FotFT?
14:09:53 <frg_away> I nominate buc for the new regexp patches. They are not so new but just took them 2 weeks ago becaues planned to do a full backport. Took too long and still on the menu but we need something working in between.
14:10:22 <rsx11m> seconding
14:10:26 <njsg> thirding
14:14:58 <IanN> great :)
14:15:21 <IanN> Action Items
14:15:58 <frg_away> Nothing new unless we want to discuss need new infra and services ere.
14:16:08 <frg_away> ^here
14:17:16 <IanN> we could do
14:19:03 <frg_away> We need to move sverices. Mozilla finally decided it is thime to let us go end of Q3. The MZLA appendix is eager to do too and replied 5 minutes later. So source code will probably be removed from comm-central, addons tb net will end and no more distribution from archive.mozilla.org. Legally all fine.
14:19:21 <IanN> There's a new director of SRE at Mozilla, who sent a nice welcome email to us
14:19:22 <WG9s> OK then I will say we do have servers ewong set up on buildnet for some of what we would need like wiki ldap bugzilla.  not sure if they are up to capacity we would need.  also not sure where the servers came from and if they might be part of the infra we need to get off of.
14:20:36 <IanN> we'll be asking if they are willing to continue down a contractual shared services route which was floated in 2019
14:20:44 <tomman> ooof, Mozilla as usual keeping friends
14:21:03 <frg_away> We are mostly alaeady 90% on our own. It is not the end of the world but would affect translations and bug hunting mostly.
14:21:38 <WG9s> well would need to havw our own ftp and mirroring sites
14:21:41 <njsg> what is still available in addons.thunderbird.net? themes?
14:22:00 <WG9s> if we need to get off of archive.mozilla.org/ftp.mozilla.org
14:22:48 <frg_away> A few full themes and addons. As far is I know reviews are not done. Dictionaries are affected most. webext ones work now. ALso not the end of the world but inconvenient.
14:23:36 <njsg> are they retaining old builds there? or do they plan to get rid of old stuff? Just wondering if it could/should be stored elsewhere, say, in the internet archive.
14:23:43 <frg_away> Reviews for new ones are not done. There was some talk a few years ago to set us up not no follow-up. I expect a revam anyway with webext onky.
14:23:51 <njsg> (archive/Ftp.mozilla.org, not addons.tb.net)
14:24:03 <CaptainTobin> afterburst micro servers are fantastic hardworking machines in de and ny datacenters .. been using them for years .. they also drive the PM project.. I'd seriously consider dealing with them for setting up some servers .. it is rather reasonably priced as well
14:24:04 <frg_away> I suspect old stuff will just be available.
14:24:20 <CaptainTobin> as well as other teirs
14:24:28 <CaptainTobin> unmananaged but they will help you
14:24:59 <CaptainTobin> the people behind it are server it geeks basically who came together to form a hosting company that doesn't suck.. I think they succeeded
14:25:05 <frg_away> In theory we could probably just upload builds to gitlab now.
14:25:31 <CaptainTobin> yeah you should also mirror to github but freemium services do have limits
14:25:38 <frg_away> ^I expect a revamp anyway with webext only.
14:25:45 <CaptainTobin> but don't put your eggs in one basket if using the major services
14:26:40 <frg_away> Sharing binaries should not be too hard. Update services might take a hit for a few releases.
14:27:22 <frg_away> For bugzilla will probably move to graveyard and forgotten by mozilla then.
14:27:36 <CaptainTobin> cause infra dropping out from you is something this project has been extremely lucky about thus far but yeah man... don't JUST do gitlab if you do gitlab do gitlab mirror to github and bitbucket and use their services as much as possible while also having a canonical copy yourself on a couple servers
14:27:41 <IanN> The easiest thing is probably migrating from ftp.mozilla.org
14:28:35 <CaptainTobin> in this way you can assure that no one single failure can cripple a mozfree seamonkey project
14:28:40 <frg_away> CaptainTobin I wouldn't trust gitlab for one second.
14:29:18 <frg_away> We have an azure presence but if we host there need to calculate traffic cost.
14:29:18 <tomman> I would say "find some reasonably affordable hosting" and go the selfhost way, but... these days the landscape has changed too much
14:29:25 <CaptainTobin> but seriously look into afterburst
14:29:25 <IanN> AWS/Google/Azure all offer various forms of storage
14:29:25 <tomman> these days it's all "use this AWS contraption"
14:30:04 <CaptainTobin> true and they all will terminate your service at the first whim
14:30:06 <tomman> on the flip side, those clouds offer the best bang for the buck if you can stand the complexity, especially from their wide variety of services AND billing
14:30:11 <CaptainTobin> IanN:
14:30:26 <CaptainTobin> i am NOT saying don't use them.. just don't exclusively rely on them
14:31:18 <WG9s> anyway I would suggest thinking on this and having a sperate meeting just on this topic and moving on with the agenda
14:32:10 <CaptainTobin> Trust me on this.. I helped run a shoestring open source browser and mozilla platform project for eight years.. i am also rebuilding after the aftermath of putting too many eggs in one basket.. if nothing else learn from my failures so it at least has some worth beyond the pain endured resulting from them
14:32:12 <frg_away> Yes it is nothing whoch can be solved in a meeting. Just a "letting all know" that there might be a discruption in the force for a short time.
14:32:40 <CaptainTobin> totally
14:32:46 <CaptainTobin> not A meeting
14:33:27 <CaptainTobin> Anyway hope I been helpful. This ends the occasional Tobin section of the SM Status Notes or whatever lol
14:34:19 * frg_away is typing too fast as usual theses days.
14:35:28 <CaptainTobin> Oh status on xref it is still gonna change with seemless redirect at some point in the next five minutes to five days.. else it will be later this month cause I am going on a trip. After that I will re-eval my resources see if I can offer anything more that isn't super critical but nicely needed in the same way I do xref
14:35:31 <tonymec> frg_away: at least you don't have a cat walking to & fro on your kb
14:35:35 <frg_away> Well the source code is safe and maintained, we are still commited so nothing to worry about.
14:36:14 <frg_away> CaptainTobin fwiw using your xref almost every day. Thanks.
14:36:51 <CaptainTobin> thank over 20 years of saying nope this works fine thanks
14:36:54 <CaptainTobin> :P
14:37:06 <CaptainTobin> just the latest one
14:37:24 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
14:37:43 <frg_away> I think we have a new Rocky 8 builder?
14:38:00 <IanN> frg_away: yes, not used it in anger yet, but I have access
14:38:11 <WG9s> great!
14:39:12 <frg_away> I am still cleaning up the source. Do we want to do 2.53.18 on it. Then I start pushing more build stuff. Abstained so far.
14:40:42 <frg_away> Also should we finally end x86 builds? If WG9s still does them we cann steer people to them.
14:41:24 <WG9s> well i would onlhy do en-US then so people would need to be happy with langpacks
14:41:31 <IanN> yes, 2.53.18 is the aim for building on new server
14:41:51 <frg_away> x86 Linux distributions are all ancient. Windows x86 7 and 8.1 is EOL and running x86 10 would be a joke.
14:42:48 <frg_away> WG9s I think this would be ok.
14:43:22 <njsg> Microsoft ought to keep making IA-32 releases for longer, at least a bit after some 128-bit architecture appears
14:43:34 <njsg> because I want to see what will the WoWoW directory be called then
14:43:40 <WG9s> currently i am doing en_us de and rest of the world on langpacks
14:43:46 <tomman> well, Debian still ships x86 as of Bookworm
14:43:50 <WG9s> i suppose i could keep doingg that
14:44:06 <tomman> WG9s: any chance you could do a es_AR build too?
14:44:40 <frg_away> With todays websites you can write OOM on a cardboard and post it every hour.
14:44:45 <WG9s> not really limited space on my build systems
14:44:59 <tomman> In any case, the only machines I still run x86 are not the ones where I would run a web browser anyway
14:45:14 <tomman> except maybe for the Thinkpad :D
14:46:01 <frg_away> My T42 still has XP on it. My T61 and up are all x64 only now.
14:47:02 <frg_away> It is not much of a problem but I rather spend the time testing x86 releases to do something else.
14:47:22 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
14:48:18 <IanN> we could always check the stats from the update server for x86 downloads
14:48:37 <frg_away> comm central and 2.53 are building. Lots of Javascript backports in the last days and plan to do some more today so please test. Nothing for web compatibility but groundwork.
14:48:56 <IanN> also need to work out how to migrate x64 users using x86 builds to 64bit
14:49:46 <frg_away> I suspect when we do Linunx x86 builds on Rocky the requirements for libstdc and friends will go up and makes it incompatible with most remaining i686 distributions.
14:50:12 <IanN> yeah, potentially
14:50:51 <IanN> Release Train
14:50:53 <frg_away> For Windows I would recommend manual uninstall and reinstall.
14:50:58 <njsg> IanN: what are the concerns in such a migration? file type and protocol association/registration? anything inside the profile or extensions?
14:51:19 <frg_away> 2.53.17 is around the corner next.
14:51:34 <WG9s> actually i am still working the libstdc and glibc incompatability issues
14:51:37 <frg_away> IanN should we do it this week?
14:51:42 <IanN> njsg: mainly offering them the 64bit version and doing the right thing for uninstall/install
14:52:12 <IanN> frg_away: yes, would need to building this week, as away most of next weekend
14:52:18 <frg_away> I think when mozilla did it for Windows the x64 still landed in program files(x86)
14:53:06 <frg_away> IanN Still need to file a bug for 9999999-stackoverflow-25317.patch  or label it as No Bug.
14:53:59 <frg_away> Fixes a very obscure crash with a marketing message which was also complete garbage. Not security related.
14:55:25 <IanN> frg_away: i'd prefer a bug for it
14:56:04 <frg_away> np
14:56:23 <frg_away> Was just busy in the last week and forgot.
15:01:25 <IanN> Extensions Tracking
15:01:50 <frg_away> Nothing new
15:01:56 <IanN> 2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable
15:02:31 <frg_away> old expression closures and e4x for each is gone now. Please test.
15:03:23 <WG9s> for rountable I am still working on the linux-6bit build issue using clang-126 lld and X11,  Niw that I finally got all the hidden pre-reqs in I am back to working on the bug that is supposed to fix this.
15:03:34 <frg_away> I will try to see if Bug 1389510causes damage. If it does not it will make porting future js stuff much easier.
15:03:45 <tomman> will 2.53.17 ship with the regex stuff?
15:04:05 <tomman> so far the .18b1 builds are improving a lot the compatiblity with the most popular frame-not-work craze
15:04:10 <frg_away> no Only in 2.53.18b1pre and up.
15:04:39 <WG9s> that was obviously linux 64-bit
15:05:59 <frg_away> tommand 2.53.17 is dropping Python 2. This was needed first so that we are not being removed from Linux distributions.
15:07:54 <frg_away> bau for planning and next from me
15:09:06 <IanN> AOB
15:09:29 <tonymec> pass
15:09:43 <njsg> continue;
15:11:46 <IanN> okay, thanks for your time today, next meet in 3 weeks, same bat channel, same bat time
15:12:01 <frg_away> cu
15:12:02 <rsx11m> July 30th, if I'm not mistaken
15:12:14 <frg_away> yes
15:12:34 <WG9s> thanks I
15:12:41 <WG9s> thaniks IanN
15:12:50 <rsx11m> bye then
15:12:54 <IanN> bye rsx11m
15:13:09 <frg_Away> away and here as usual