00:40:14 <MattATobin> okay, i have to be honest.. aside from the primitive state of some of most things.. the gecko/1.8.1 codebase is pretty much everything I have ever wanted.
00:40:37 <MattATobin> so why was firefox necessary?
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13:34:35 <MattATobin> :P
13:35:09 <MattATobin> Bon Echo... i have such fond memories associated with the name because of this code
13:36:06 <MattATobin> rv:1.8.1.24 Gecko/20230726
13:36:10 <MattATobin> LOL
14:19:20 <KaiRo[m]> bonecho had great t-shirts, I'm still sad I didn't get one
14:20:08 <MattATobin> hi kairo
14:20:16 <MattATobin> :/
14:20:52 <MattATobin> kairo.. what the hell happened to us.. all of us that got us from that to here?
14:21:35 <MattATobin> Other than Google.
14:21:49 <MattATobin> what did WE do wrong?
14:23:00 <MattATobin> IF we can find an answer to that question I think it would help a great many people.
14:27:02 <MattATobin> the moonies still haven't fixed their bug.. means I am gonna have to cause I like working unknown content save as dialog.. boy I am glad no one is interested in screwing with 1.8 tho save a couple macinpeople
14:28:23 <MattATobin> where's the logbot.. frg gave me some relevant bug numbers beyond what I tracked down using github commit history magic
15:07:46 <frg_Away> These? https://ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/seamonkey/20230705#c214665
16:15:35 <MattATobin> damn i am out of practice porting crap
16:15:49 <MattATobin> still hopefully the rabbit hole won't go any deeper for my purposes
17:05:14 <MattATobin> WELL THAT WAS ANNOYING https://github.com/binaryoutcast/aura-dev/commit/51589c3430b97b4a0972d41a75b0d749b900465a
17:05:17 <MattATobin> where is frg
17:05:22 <MattATobin> i wanna complain to frg about it
17:05:25 <MattATobin> lol
19:20:14 <MattATobin> HEY
19:20:21 <MattATobin> remember when THIS was mozilla?
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19:20:34 <MattATobin> and then mozilla became this
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19:20:59 <MattATobin> and this project and eventually anything not firefox or even remotely netscape like was kicked to the side
19:21:15 <MattATobin> I remember that.
22:01:39 <tomman> 18b1 consistently resets my search engines to whatever ancient version it likes
22:02:03 <tomman> (AKA it keeps replacing Wikipedia EN with Yahoo Argentina, but it leaves AniDB and VNDB in place)
22:02:12 <tomman> I'm pretty much sure this time it is NOT bad RAM :P
22:31:06 <MattATobin> hi tomman
22:31:14 <tomman> yo MattATobin
22:31:26 <tomman> have you done your backups for today to keep the DR boogeyman away?
22:31:49 <tomman> don't be like the owner of this Suckgate I'm cloning right now to figure out the degree of FS corruption on it
22:31:49 <MattATobin> backups?
22:31:50 <MattATobin> what
22:32:03 <MattATobin> is anything I been doing actually important?
22:32:04 <MattATobin> NO ONE TOLD ME!
22:32:39 <MattATobin> i had filesystem corruption while back if you recall
22:32:53 <MattATobin> i think it came from newer-than-ltsc 2019 windows 10
22:33:16 <MattATobin> compounded with filesystem weakening from switching between nt61 and 62+
22:33:31 <tomman> Windows Me made me learn the importance of doing frequent backups, since I would be reinstalling it twice a year at least
22:33:34 <MattATobin> both are seperate but fs issue causing things
22:33:46 <tomman> Seagate made me learn the importance of doing full-disk backups, since HDDs can and will crash with no warning
22:34:18 <MattATobin> well wanna give me enough money to get enough space to back everything up properly and not just a critical subset?
22:34:24 <MattATobin> i'd be down for it
22:37:22 <frg_Away> tomman if you have something reproducible with a clean install I will see if I can track it down. Search engine code was trashed after 57 but I think we didn't take anything bad intentionally here.
22:38:15 <MattATobin> hi frg
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22:39:36 <MattATobin> well completely style with modern it looks fantastic .. classic not so much and web rendering not so much
22:40:03 <frg_Away> hi
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22:43:25 <MattATobin> BinOC loads better
22:43:25 <MattATobin> lol
22:45:30 <MattATobin> how have you been frg
22:45:42 <frg_Away> well the old versions usually don't load anything https these days either.
22:46:16 <MattATobin> i been spouting tobinness all over for days but haven't much talked directly to you except about bugs
22:46:43 <frg_Away> Meeting with friends and backporting js stuff. Well into 59/60 now.  Last vacation day.
22:47:27 <MattATobin> fun
22:48:20 <frg_Away> Melting a bit here now again too :)
22:50:34 <MattATobin> I am seriously consdering renaming the Aura Runtime Platform to the Grandiose Runtime Environment (so it can still be gre) and do mariner and interlink but focus my real attention on the 1.8.1 xpfe core
22:50:57 <MattATobin> it is what I w a n t to do
22:53:03 <frg_Away> Personally I think the old stuff will go nowhere. Pick a fork or source level of your liking and enhance it.
22:53:15 <MattATobin> but i feel a sense of continued responsibility to any remaining users and those who have done nothing against me or anyone to still provide some messure of the buffer between the carelessness of others and those who might care about such things
22:53:55 <MattATobin> oh if you think i am gonna do netscape navigator on gecko 1.8 do remove that concept from your head
22:55:01 <MattATobin> i want it for its technology and methodology and because it is so old and simple and modular .. it can wrap much more sophistcated stuff in addition to its own facilities as a command and control fx
22:55:07 <MattATobin> and ux renderer
22:55:15 <MattATobin> it is fast as HELL on this machine
22:55:23 <MattATobin> even without hardware acceleration
22:55:24 <MattATobin> it is quick
22:55:38 <MattATobin> the xpfe splashscreen barely gets through the fade in its so fast
22:55:57 <MattATobin> and that is at least a 1 second fade
22:56:44 <frg_Away> Yeahh but unless you plan to be compatible with 5 minor websites only you need to be web compatible these day. Building from the ground takes years and then you are 5 years back again. It is all forked up thanks to google and web frameworks just pushing bleeding edge junk.
22:57:59 <MattATobin> i am seriously consdering locking http down to a whitelist until i have time to deal with it but I only ever intend to take the evolution of the core to pre-html5 and es6 levels
22:58:13 <frg_Away> anyway need sleep nn
22:58:14 <MattATobin> initial goal of a 1.9.2 level of rendering capability and js
22:58:21 <MattATobin> good night dude
22:58:27 <MattATobin> i'll shut up about this for some days
22:58:34 <MattATobin> for the sanity of all
22:58:34 <MattATobin> thank you tho
22:58:40 <MattATobin> all of you