well my theory is MAYBE i could build a truely alt-mozilla platform but i dunno if WEB will be at all important say at the es6/html5 and newer level

strip out dead shit

keep good shit

update libs update deps

and stay out of the web's way for it

indeed i'd likely set up an http whitelist so i could still aus and such but not actually navigate anywhere on http other than that so things like aus could still happen

because and this is entirely consistant with all i have seen and experienced.. Mozilla made too many mistakes in the 2009-2013 period to really fix even back at the liberation or tycho codebase .. 24 and 38 respectively

let alone 45 52 or evo56

but please prove me wrong

in fact I demand it frg

someone for once please just prove me wrong about something GOOD

I'm watching some old Flash animations now

and... there was something good and a complete waste about the death of Flash

it would have made a fine codec to deliver animation

no need to make ~1GB 1080p files

just deliver a smallish .SWF, there you have - unlimited HD that nicely scales from 240p dumbphone junk to 16K

it was a terrible format for anything else

(ironically it was used in its final years as a vehicle to deliver... ordinary pre-encoded video, including animations!)

like how shockwave was split into shockwave and shockwave flash the flash should have been split into flash director and flash developer

one for animation and 2000s flash shit the other to be basically silverlight

well I am a Flash hater since my OS/2 days where this was complete crap so no dice from me. It was a pleasure for me to rip out this code.

apparently whatever Ruffle build they're using at Danbooru now requires this crap: developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/ReadableStream

(FF65+)

sample post: danbooru.donmai.us/posts/82943

> Serious error loading Ruffle: ReferenceError: ReadableStream is not defined

oh seamonkey's 1.8 is more advanced

security patches mostly but also a lot of xpfe work

i wonder if there is a copy of that repo history for seamonkey's 1.8 branch

0706|01:14:06 <+tomman> it would have made a fine codec to deliver animation <-- I sometimes feel that the non-video aspect of flash is (was?) overlooked

now "animations" being what, animated video that's made using flash, but instead of being served into video is the actual flash animation behind it?

it sometimes felt that chat about alternative ways to handle flash or ways to replace flash would focus too much on video delivery, while flash had been widely used for other things, like navigation menus and non-video (text, images) content delivery. Oh, and games.

tomman: forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=14958206, also, forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=29990

yeah after getting 1.8 building again first order of business is to get the build system back up to at least 1.9.2 cause this is more primitive than i am used to but i feel confident cause I know.. more or less what to do for that so that is neat

2010

... feb 2010

wow you guys really kept 1.1 going well past the point anyone cared

well it is to my advantage

more so to IanN than frg for a change

HEY THE OLD TEAM STILL HELPS!

sorry it took over 10 years to thank you for the source code for seamonkey 1.1.19 but there it is

heh

well flex was supposed to solve this issue but flex quickly became its own shit

therube

if you recall

I only started 2015 around 2.39 I think. Things were broken badly then by mozilla and I needed some education.

well i really do wish i had been less scream-y and more help-y at the time

ALSO i can't be sure but it is possible a part of me thinks really I should be running The Seamonkey Project but that is silly cause I already run totally not netscape

it makes sense but i am not sure if that is actually a factor.. have to think about it some more

Bug 1188348 long ago was the first I think. Still have not replace the message box with a proper notification. doh

right the dataman

which I think did more harm to the project's rep than good cause it has never been.. good

slow as hell on old ass profiles

a problem when your core is literally netscape-types even if they don't quite know it

I fixed up the old dialogs too. Still use the cookieviewer quite often.

oh did you?

yes. Was broken by the same changes. The three old ones still work as of today.

i replaced em when i ripped out data manager in old Borealis now Mariner with a superior incarnation of Pale Moon's permissions manager dialog

superior vs even Pale Moon's today

permissions manager, saved logins and cookie viewer.

saved logins comes from security manager's chrome package not communicator or navigator

so confused how it was busted

unless that was the issue

it still had its own older broken copy

i would have fixed up the cookie viewer that came from the xpfe transition but the firefox one was really improved

frg these old tarballs with cvs directories.. do those contain the history for the code in that tarball up to that point?

This all got switched to origins from host in 2.38 if I remember right. Before it was basically a text string key.

I don't think they contain history.

38.. plus or minus 3 for gecko?

plus

42/43?

yeah

refactor storm and landing of massive changes in that timeframe

largely around webextensions and further corruptions

i am sure the api change was to accomidate that

lol frg would you even be able to find seamonkey's code in here and no nothing much in suite/

aside from just knowing most of it is in xpfe/

i always learn a lot just from poking now i will understand tho if i understand and find it superior vs what it was changed to .. well i will complain about it on the internet!!111one

shit at this point doing ANYTHING on the non-web internet is rare outside email

so i can say that with all honesty.. i will complain ON THE INTERNET not just the web.. i will complain over... FTP

now how much people wanna bet i will have posts crapped as text files and point an ftp account at it and say THERE now I complain over ftp

and some in here say.. THAT sounds lovely go do that

lol

0706|17:13:34 < MattATobin> shit at this point doing ANYTHING on the non-web internet is rare outside email <--- what about RFC1459? :-)

well i got this far but i need a break

I miss service packs

this is actually before I started building the codebase

this incarnation

RFC1459 is a very good place to rant, though i don't know how to access it.

it's.. building

if this actually produces a successful build I will be shocked

oh god

oh god

oh god

therube: well, there's always RFC1149!

njsg: i just used SeaMonkey 1.19 to look that one up ;-)

SeaMonkey 1.1.19

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.24) Gecko/20100228 SeaMonkey/1.1.19

therube: here, have a search engine gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/v2/vs

1.1.19 has /some/ issues, but isn't that bad, heh.

i don't know if gopher: links still work in current SeaMonkey, much less FF, but they do in 1.1.19 :-)

nope, no longer in current SM, "gopher is not a registered protocol."

OverbiteFF and needs a small hack for initializing stream pump

isn't 1.1.19 the final Win9x-compatible version?

amazing how consistent the UI has remained all these years (& that's good, IMO)

working fine on Win7.

web browsers haven't really changed all these decades

all we've got is more bloat built into the standards that don't really belong to

therube my intent is not really to make a browser .. get that out your head.. as far as css and html and js i wanna support everything pre-html5/es6 and I wanna do a bunch of stuff differently but i want the same core tech but without all the rest

but I do think I will trend toward the xpfe components and xpfe methods

rather than toolkit

but hey.. deep dark secrets still existing in today's evo56 codebase that sm is on tho that can be valuable too