14:46:41 <MattATobin> good morning ianN ewong and wg9s
14:54:01 <no1> MattATobin Hi
14:55:28 <MattATobin> good morning frg
15:48:39 <Swampogre> Has anyone else had a problem accessing Facebook with 2.53.17beta1?
15:54:40 <Swampogre> Nobody else wants to admit using Facebook?
15:55:19 <Swampogre> 17beta1 is the current development release, for those unaware
15:58:31 <franstam> nah dun use such fake news spreader tools like fakebook sorry
16:10:40 <Swampogre> You are mistaken about fake news. It's for spreading real news. Most fake news is spread by rightwing nuts and I'm not connected to any as far as I know.
16:11:13 <Swampogre> Some of them still think Trump is president
16:12:03 <MattATobin> your best bet is to put those services into the ghetto they are trying to put YOU in by restricting them to disgusting chromium or far more pervasive rusticles at mozco
16:12:58 <MattATobin> hey if by some twist of bs trump is legally still president.. I am not sure many believe he should be obviously he couldn't get the job done AT ABSOLUTE BEST
16:13:08 <MattATobin> eh franstam and Swampogre
16:13:55 <MattATobin> and really with what seems to be coming no matter what happens.. does it really matter at this point?
16:14:53 <Swampogre> What matters is that the browser work on presumably standard websites
16:15:21 <Swampogre> 14, 15 and 16 were ok, 17beta isn't
16:15:29 <MattATobin> the worst weapon of politics is .. entrapment .. getting trapped in a web of political logic.. if there is such a thing leading to political strategy and it just seems win loose succeed fail the bs is happening regardless and so i have come to the conclusion that politics is bullshit and just one of many means to just be shitty to others
16:16:05 <MattATobin> and i have had enough of doing that...
16:16:22 <MattATobin> and getting in kind
16:18:02 <MattATobin> so my theory is.. if people stop trying to control and force others to play nice and just encurage BEING nice maybe a lot of shit would actually improve rather than a report about how it is improving despite it clearly not
16:18:38 <MattATobin> anyone care to challenge that theory?
16:18:47 <Swampogre> It does seem as if there's some ulterior motive going on, people trying to create turmoil instead of smoothing anything over
16:19:25 <MattATobin> whatever it is it ain't plain ol simple communism but i don't have a more percise word for it
16:19:27 <Swampogre> and solve problems
16:19:52 <MattATobin> our language doesn't have a word for whatever is happening now
16:20:15 <Swampogre> communism according to Marx did have a point---rich people tend to give poor people the shaft
16:20:40 <MattATobin> well yeah but only if the utopia is real
16:20:44 <MattATobin> that is the ONLY wya it works
16:20:49 <MattATobin> without massive corruption
16:21:01 <MattATobin> ... other systems are more resistant to corruption but not by much
16:21:18 <Swampogre> But what to do about it is where the controversy arises. Marx was real fuzzy about his utopia. He didn't have an answer, not a realistic one anyway
16:21:56 <MattATobin> a utopia breeds positive communism.. communism has been proven over decades if not centuries in more primitive forms to NEVER breed a utopia
16:22:22 <MattATobin> if we want to have those good aspects we MUST create the utopia first else corruption and death will ALWAYS be the result
16:22:39 <MattATobin> that is another theory
16:24:19 <Swampogre> There are two things going on that do a lot to create human misery. One is population growth that leads to overpopulation, exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet and imposing poverty and starvation on some
16:24:58 <MattATobin> Well Bill is working on that.. Microsoft has a wonderful plan for your life.. well 10% anyway
16:26:07 <MattATobin> chances are it will be the rapid progress of war that will fix the population problem .. for a few minutes and if THAT happens it is gonna be quite authoritarian for a long time afterward depending on who wins..
16:26:15 <MattATobin> no not depending
16:26:17 <MattATobin> regardless
16:26:34 <Swampogre> The other is that capitalism results in some getting ahead (that's OK) but the getting ahead gets out of hand, turns into political power, that turns into more financial gain, more political power, until you get a dictatorship of the rich, or an absolute monarchy or whatever. That's positive feedback in electronic terms. it makes a disaster in human society
16:26:39 <MattATobin> even if freedom loving humans win it will be authoritarian as hell for at least a decade to weed out all resistance
16:26:43 <MattATobin> ... so yeah
16:28:46 <Swampogre> The fix for concentration of wealth is negative feedback as in progressive income and wealth and property taxes, and transfers to the needy
16:29:18 <MattATobin> still best ease off the subject .. we get a lot of latitude especially me and i have no idea why at this point best only push a tiny bit every now and again
16:29:45 <MattATobin> ;)
16:30:04 <Swampogre> It that's not done, the economic system will keep breaking. I don't know why we are so good at physical control systems, but the same analysis that suggests solutions for human society are verbotten
16:32:20 <Swampogre> Anyway, the new Seamonkey has a problem with connecting to Facebook and recent versions have a problem with some Facebook and Twitter videos
16:33:38 <Swampogre> And the Gecko renderer in Facebook appears to date to 2010
16:34:47 <Swampogre> Cloudflare security is blocking or discouraging a lot of sites from access by Seamonkey
16:35:06 <Swampogre> Evangelism is needed
16:46:57 <Swampogre> I just got off a Youtube video link, saw the video, but the text on that video page was missing. Strange.
16:48:41 <Swampogre> Twitter works, both video and text work on Twitter
16:55:18 <Swampogre> The Falcon browser seems to work fine though it's probably got a smaller market share than Seamonkey
17:31:59 <frg_away> Facebook might need specific user agent overrides. You might want to ask in mozillazine or search there. Since the switch to 91 you usually get "Your request couldn't be processed". But this uncorked lots of other sites so the version change stayed.
17:58:17 <MattATobin> let me check Pale Moon's comm repo see what they are shiting out to them
18:00:04 <MattATobin> i have GOT to get a damned release branch going i can't live on trunk code forever
18:00:30 <MattATobin> https://repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProductions/Pale-Moon/src/branch/master/palemoon/branding/shared/pref/uaoverrides.inc#L63
18:00:54 <MattATobin> you can TRY that maybe it will fall back enough to work for you.. but i dunno facebook isn't a big deal for the moonies
18:01:52 <MattATobin> also they have non-rust webcomponents behavior might be different either way
18:02:00 <MattATobin> sorry if it turns out not so helpful tho
18:02:17 <MattATobin> oh
18:02:19 <MattATobin> he left
18:02:37 <MattATobin> like .. well logbot has it if they care i guess
22:55:43 <Swampogre> Hi. I mentioned this earlier today, first day I've run v. 2.53.17beta1. Facebook page doesn't display and I get this error msg: Your Request Couldn't be Processed
22:55:44 <Swampogre> There was a problem with this request. We're working on getting it fixed as soon as we can.
22:56:20 <Swampogre> I would like to file a bug report, but I don't know what category to call it.
23:12:07 <MattATobin> Swampogre: check the logbot in the topic if on libera.chat
23:12:54 <Swampogre> I don't know how to do that
23:13:22 <MattATobin> you can't copy and paste a url from the channel topic (if not click)?
23:13:50 <CaptainTobin> https://ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/seamonkey/20230703#c214419