10:42:34 <njsg> I've never considered using Wayland, I'd have to check how well it does in certain features X11 has
10:43:00 <njsg> I think PRIMARY ended up being implemented in wayland at some point?
12:09:35 <tomman> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36302002 only Hackernews would have STRONG opinions in favor of custom CSS scrollbars
12:10:03 <tomman> completely negating the concerns of the OP article (which gives perfectly valid reasons to NOT SCREW UP WITH NATIVE WIDGETS
12:10:26 <tomman> But hey, "innovation" and "branding" are very strong beliefs for those webcraps
12:15:13 <tomman> MercadoLibre has some of those custom scrollbars that are completely unusable here
12:24:00 <WG9s> so is the issue here a conlict between trying make an app look like most apps on the OS or make the looka and feel be the same across platforms?  You obvioulsy cannot do both
12:25:31 <WG9s> Mozilla started with the same look and feel on all platforms.  that is why there is still a spfe directory in the tree that stood for Cross-platform front end
12:25:50 <WG9s> then wtiched to using the os widgets and icons etc.
12:26:34 <tomman> I do remember when good ol' IE5 allowed to recolor scrollbars
12:26:50 <tomman> of course it was a Microsoftism, and only tacky websites embraced it
12:27:17 <tomman> (some color combos were particularly atrocious, a punch to the liver in terms of accesiblity)
12:27:24 <WG9s> sorry meant to say xpfe not spfe
12:27:43 <tomman> https://gbatemp.net/attachments/img_1128-gif.377484/ is it me, or this "not really a GIF" blinks like mad?
12:29:19 <tomman> it flickers madly on SM here, to the point of requiring a photosensitive epilepsy warning
12:29:49 <njsg> tomman: shows ok for me, but... it's a GIF, so maybe that's why I don't see blinking
12:30:05 <tomman> actually it is NOT a GIF but a mis-named webp
12:31:11 <tomman> it animates OK in FF102ESR, but flickers madly on SM .17b1
12:31:34 <tomman> I do remember having problems with other WebP animations here in the past (like the adbanners on Anime News Network)
12:32:11 <njsg> I suspect the server is sending different content, I think I'm getting a gif
12:33:04 <WG9s> tomman: for some resaon this reminds me of back in the day when netscpe first started adding new attributes like blink that mozaic and ie did not support and so ignored to create a webpage that looked great with mosaic and ie but could not be read using netscape.
12:33:46 <WG9s> was designed as a joke.
12:33:57 <tomman> njsg: weird indeed
12:34:09 <tomman> if I pull the GIF with wget, I get indeed a GIF
12:34:16 <tomman> > index.html: GIF image data, version 89a, 300 x 336
12:34:18 <WG9s> but using netscape one of the things that happend was it blinked at a rate that mde in unreadable
12:34:34 <njsg> tomman: yeah, I think the server might be serving things differently
12:34:38 <tomman> a one megabyte GIF
12:35:01 <njsg> tomman: if you open it in a new tab do you still get the webp?
12:35:09 <tomman> OK, I force-refreshed it, and now I'm getting a flicker-free GIF
12:35:45 <njsg> hm, did you open it originally from another page?
12:35:45 <tomman> but FF102ESR still keeps receiving a webp
12:35:55 <tomman> This time I just pasted the link on a new tab
12:38:10 <njsg> could always be the referer
14:36:31 <frg_Away> tomman it is an animated gif. Looks ok here
14:38:06 <frg_Away> For webp some bugs did not go in yet. the server might pick gif because of it because SeaMonkey does not advertize webp support.
15:04:29 <tomman> frg_Away: it's odd since sometimes I get webp and sometimes I get GIF
15:47:20 <frg_Away> tomman same url?
15:47:28 <tomman> same URL indeed
15:48:28 <tomman> Hmmm, referer could play a role
15:49:53 <tomman> go here: https://gbatemp.net/ - find the "Video Game Memes and Fun Pics" sidebox, locate the image (currently it's the 2nd at second row)
15:50:02 <tomman> if you call the raw URL, you get a GIF
15:50:14 <tomman> if https://gbatemp.net/ is the referer, you get a flickering WebM
15:50:37 <tomman> (just checked on a private window)
15:54:55 <tomman> FF102ESR gets a webp no matter what I do
15:55:27 <tomman> SeaMonkey is dicey, behavior referer depending
16:01:49 <tomman> wget ALWAYS gets a GIF, no matter which referer!
16:22:16 <njsg> tomman: okay, I see the flickering with the image loaded inline
16:24:52 <njsg> can be seen in the page info dialog media tab too
16:25:47 <njsg> curiously, there's another one served as webp, same thing different text and different size, which does not have the same issue
16:26:26 <njsg> ... it's visible even in the developer tools network tab thumbnail
16:26:45 <njsg> hm
16:27:15 <njsg> the request has "accept: image/webp */*"
16:28:55 <njsg> That rings a faint, distant bell. Have we ever discussed something like that before here?
19:17:35 <tomman> yay, another crash~
19:17:52 <tomman> (had forgotten to relaunch cZ because I was debugging a crash on something else
19:24:12 <frg_Away> tomman with the beta?
19:24:24 <tomman> yep
19:26:49 <frg_Away> hmm not sure why. I have seen the last crash two months ago but using NoScript and uBlock
19:27:44 <tomman> I have none of those
19:27:51 <tomman> the crashes happen out of the blue
19:28:29 <tomman> sometimes I get them during regular browsing, and sometimes I go to bed just to wake up 8 hours later to figure out that the browser had crashed at 4 AM :D
19:29:42 <frg_Away> probably garbage collection. ad stuff is mostly toxic js and crap these days and the gc might choke on something. I would not even try to browse without an ad blocker these days.
19:31:13 <tomman> I block ads over DNS, and avoid heavy junk
19:31:26 <tomman> basically 90% of my web browsing these days is Danbooru and some Hackernews...