The US is turning into a broken third world country.

Walmart is cutting hours and closing stores now while the "news" asks if $20 million should get some fictional person through retirement.

(Designed to make people feel bad and like it's all their fault.)

ya want a Gun that bad, just go to the Nearest Walmart, assuming most Yankies do that

Walmart stopped selling them.

I guess it looked bad when people bought one and then murdered random people at the same store they bought it from.

Or their coworkers.

Or school children.

Walmart censored all of the music CDs they sold, including a country album.

They refused to sell the entire album instead of simply demanding an edit to remove the line "Watch our children kill each other with the guns they buy at Walmart Discount Stores."

I think the sporting goods department still sells ammunition though.

It's more profitable. There's no federal law requiring you to background check ammunition buyers.

There's a lot of liability if you sell a gun in a manner that violates federal law, but you can sell ammunition to almost anyone.

you can still buy Guns here in Australia if you want one badly , you just gotta know the right place/people to get it from, Johnny Howard ( ex Liberal PM ) didnt get rid of them all

Yeah, Canada won't be any different. Even if it was, it has the largest land border in the world....with us.

Trudeau made a gigantic black market for expensive guns going north to Canada on the black market.

They'll still have them but the government won't know who does.

you realize of course the last conversation at least transmitted to matrix log basically would get this channel, project, users, staff are only slightly right of the Pale Moon project .. just making sure others remain aware

deemed only*

greetings IanN[m] and frg_Away as well as franstam tomman and WG9s

CaptainTobin hi

how goes it

I am in a GOOD

Mood.

CaptainTobin halfway ok but a bit stressed. 2.53.17b1 done andno the next release adventure now

Hello. Have some of you guys tried Debian 12? Any problems to report?

hi

hello, franstam

close to upgrade on one of my rigs

but this one? Not today, dear~

tomman beta 2.53.17b1 is done. Do you want an early test drive to check for your crashes? Done with different compilers among other (small) things.

Oh, I meant Debian :D

tomman I know

but sure, I'm upgrading betas here then

tomman which language?

es_AR

and os?

linux x64 and windows x64?

so far only Linux x64

I largely stopped using my Win7 installs here

anyway, any link?

I see the WG9s's nightlies are at 18b1

(FWIW I'm using build 20230604141501)

tomman i see you found the new nightlies seems nothing i try topost to archive.mozilla.org/ftp.mozilla.org seems to get here anymore

please use the new link inthe topic

tomman see private for the link

got it~

tomman let me knwo when the download finished.

seems the mozilla folks changed clud providers so we are on the back foot

cloud providers

frg_Away: done!

brb, upgrading~

back~

hit a minor snag: the addons manager hangs the browser if 1) you have SeaFox installed (which changes the UI layout style for the addons manager), and 2) you click the "Get Addons" tab

insta-hang with 100% CPU, and no way out except via SIGTERM

tomman was the add-on compatible before?

well, can't remember having gotten that hang in, like, ever

aside of that it still works (but I do remember having patched it once due to some deprecation)

tomman well this one and 2.53.18 will probably still cause some grief wrt old add-ons but hopefully that was it then for some time.

I already wrote off Flashblock, but aside of that I expected Redirector to break again

but this time it doesn't need more patching, thankfully :)

Had a similiar problem with version number but confined to the add-on manager itself. page broke becuase I removed some cruft. But this was a few releases ago when I added back the versions.

sadly SeaFox got abandoned back when Win10 was still being shoehorned into every Win7 box ever

Oh, forgot to say: if I get into that "Get Addons" hang, to exit it I have to kill the browser, start it in safe mode, disable Sea Fox, restart in normal mode, enter the (new UI) Addons manager, click any tab BUT Get Addons, reenable Sea Fox, restart SeaMonkey once again, and then it remembers the last selected tab

the Get Addons tab won't hang without Sea Fox, so I guess it's some incompatibility that arised there

forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=2836799&start=60 even his author wasn't exactly clear on how his replacement even worked

maybe I should hack SeaFox and nerf that overlay?

tomman Full themes can break the world and cause support issues. The main reason why Mozilla took them out I think. All in the name of Webext security. Right...

and now I remember what changes I did to my SeaFox install

actually only CSS stuff!

not a single line of XUL/JS :D

SeaFox is not a theme, but an addon

Just counted yesterday and now about 450 third party rust crates in latest Firefox. About 400 MB of source glibberish. Good luck for the future...

tomman what does it do?

basically it restores some FF3.x UI bits

one of the changes it does is restoring the "old" addons manager UI

(I see a extensions.xul and addons.xml on the XPI)

oh, and my sessionstore.json got nerfed again too

time to restore my session again, the hard way

tomman maybe you can keep the console open during shutdown. If an error occurs early might be caught there.

frg_Away: sorry got distracted on something trivial that didn't work

.........

good to know your development progress is plodding along

even if you have to drag it kicking and screaming

i think seamonkey has a serious rust problem

it's become addicted

we need to get it halp

into rehab

:P

paulrobertlloyd.com/2023/162/a1/css_day the tragedy of CSS is that this whole post layout

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

> All the additions to CSS, JS, HTML, and even the continued growth of frameworks and abstractions, are a choice. You have a choice to limit yourself and your team to a subset of the available tools, and it's a good idea to do so. The web as a platform is a lot of different things to a lot of different people, it needs to expand and grow in order to cater to all. Restricting the tools for...

...your project makes it easier to maintain, and easier to onboard new contributors.

really Hackernews!?

Oh, let's add MOAR COMPLEXITY because there are ONE ZILLION DEVS

where is my own Tomman's Javascript Extensions?

idgi

is he bitching about google or surrendering to google and the fact his site uses insane google css ?

WTF IS HAPPENING

brain implosion

that what's happening

EXPLAIN

Also I love how webdevs encourage developers to pick a framework and marry to it, just to be forcefully "pushed forward" every time they need to deploy a security patch

suddenly you too become part of the problem and all you wanted is to Get Shit Done™

this is the final push

and this is why I choose not to pursue a career on webdev

"Exactly. Apple's lack of contribution to the internet ecosystem exactly aligns with their profit motive: Selling hardware."

the web needs to be split into The World Wide Web and The Open Web directly by use of a web and app protocol

for once I must side with Apple

but they would NEVER allow it

it isn't enough to move advance or change stupidly

it MUST be at the exclusion and destruction of any opposition including alternatives

tomman: the winds have shifted

google is gonna go down a peg, microsoft is gonna be more the big bad and apple is gonna try to unite snobs and slobs under their banner

THIS is what I see happening

oh and Linux is gonna push for the desktop

in a big way

the consumertainment desktop

Wasn't Microsoft dead anyway? Noone but Legacy Business™ want Windows these days anyway

Microsoft is dead as so far as most their staff is now AI

and that's because they had just finished their 15 year to move off those IBM mainframe to Win32 LOB apps

but microsoft as the big bad is hardly over

ibm is behind the push for linux desktop

MS missed the mobile boat big time

they want back in

and Microsoft must be stopped

this was ALWAYS true

and folks from the new generations have deemed The Desktop™ unsexy

like, something you use when forced on the clock

i am fine with completely cryptic environments only 3 people can use.. ALL for it but not extrapolated and slammed on top crushing everything else everywhere

(the ONE exception being gamers, but those only care about RGB LEDs and sub-bullet latency)

well perty colors and games have always gone hand in hand

to be fair

tomman: i am gonna send you a notice

I want my KDE3 back :D

trinity devs are visionless assholes tho

lot like Moonchild in that regard

the one time I tried Trinity, it didn't played nice with Pulseaudio AT ALL

and that was... in 2022

well no one WANTED to play nice with pulse in 2012

a shame, because otherwise I would have already moved

because they hate the dev

well, it's not 2006 anymore, Pulse was trash back then, but had plenty of time to mature and it's now rock solid for the 99%

but we're beginning the circle again with Pipewire

and pulse is being slowly abandoned

just as it got pretty solid

I tend to not listen to Poetteringware hateboners

but I might end up BUILDING my own distro

as usual, follow my Pact of Non-Aggression: you don't mess with me and I'll let you live

to BE a very traditional OS if not linux os

that's the rule I follow with systemd, Pulseaudio, and other pieces of controversial softwar

the one exception is Wayland - I do not want to have anything to do with that trash

dude

xorg as a project imploded years ago it is virtually unmaintained and everyone wants it dead

you have no choice outside the bsds

for xorg

I do: stick it to the man, and stick to Xorg 'till the day I die

that's the hill I've choosen to die on

Xorg is dead, but it's replacement is an ABOMINATION

seems to me wayland only exists because people wanted faster game rendering

but i am thinking about a wayland compositor that is really simple and WILL do shit the way we would want it ..

getting rid of network portability seems quite a loss

because the ONLY TRUE examples of wayland compositors are people devoted to the post-modern crap.. and everything else is an experimental demo that is abandoned

CaptainTobin 2.53 currently has 177 rust crates in third_party. These are 177 too many but can't be helped. But 461 with more than double the source size. No wonder comm-central is a dog to compile. Takes almost an houzr here compared to 2.53. which is about 23 minutes.

plus mailnews core

that always slows up the build

shit at MY level mailnews is likely the single largest pure mozilla component left in the codebase

frg_Away: notice

CaptainTobin suspect the ship has sailed unless a few more people show up. Hard enough to keep up with gnome and wayland.

the problem is to convince us dinosaurs to gather and collaborate with the ressistance

Resistance is futile. They will be assimilated.

... well it is SLIGHTLY better than exterminate isn't it?!

i should REALLY diff 1.9.2 and 2.0

just to see

would be nice to evolve up a reference prototype with the select technologies I want would likely have to start with a gecko 2.0 retrograded to 1.9.2's ui features and components while still retaining the engine advancements and continue up the line

man all these ideas stuff to try .. experiments to run.. hmmmmmmm

hopefully I'll die before Xorg

Xorg should be good for another 10 years at least

a-865 well wayland immutable Linux distros with snapped programs plus Windows 11 and mac stuff which degrades even more with every version... The future is bright. I will probably leave IT and just use a laptop for occassional shopping in a few years.