11:56:55 <pratman> hello
11:59:16 <frg_Away> Hi pratman
12:00:03 <pratman> my fix got landed :)
12:00:06 <pratman> suite
12:00:17 <frg_Away> The first one :)
12:03:46 <pratman> yes thank you :]
13:32:40 <IanN> Status meeting starts in 30 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-28
13:38:26 <WG9s> IanN: here for the meeting
13:38:40 <IanN> hi WG9s
13:38:47 <IanN> hi tonymec
13:39:25 <tonymec> hello IanN WG9s njsg
13:40:02 <WG9s> IanN: so 2 power and one Internet outage so far this morning so if I disappear, don;t take offense
13:44:03 <WG9s> tne scond power outage included the internet outage which somehow got my windoes build system so screswed up it sould not boot but I managed to fix that.
13:45:06 <WG9s> hi tonymec
13:47:02 <tonymec> wouldn't boot, wow!
13:49:03 <IanN> Status meeting starts in 14 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-28
13:52:16 <tomman> pancakes are set~
13:52:30 <tomman> I'm dangerously early today :D
13:52:39 <tomman> ...except that it's close to 10 AM here
13:53:01 <tonymec> hello tomman
13:53:06 <tonymec> dangerously?
13:54:09 <WG9s> tonymec: well would boot to the point where starting to start windows and would hang with the spinning thingy
13:55:04 <tonymec> WG9s: so you fixed that, congratulations
13:55:24 <tomman> tonymec: it's Sunday, usually I'm not having breakfast until past 10, sometimes 11
13:55:28 <IanN> Status meeting starts in 7 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-28
13:55:35 <WG9s> gogle is great for finding solutions to problems
13:55:51 <tonymec> tomman: :-)
13:56:12 <tonymec> hello frg_away
13:56:27 <frg_away> tonymec hi
13:56:35 <WG9s> and sometimes youtube has a step by step video and not just for tch issues like how to fis my gas clothes dryer etc.
13:57:47 <tomman> WG9s: I avoid videos completely, I'm more of the kind that prefer walls o' text
13:58:00 <tomman> sadly many tutorials and even fixes are available via video only :/
13:58:07 <tonymec> WG9s: for a no-boot problem you need a 2nd computer, well, congrats anyway.
13:58:20 <tomman> (one of the reasons I stopped reading iFixit teardowns, as they had largely switched to video-only ones)
13:59:23 <WG9s> tomman: I have found the test only has more details you need but the video shows you more abot what they are talking about.  I find often need to combine both
14:00:55 <frg_away> Hi rsx11m
14:01:00 <rsx11m> hi frg_away
14:01:30 <tonymec> hello rsx11m
14:01:30 <rsx11m> hi tonymec tomman IanN WG9s
14:01:31 <IanN> hi rsx11m
14:01:31 <WG9s> hi rsx11m
14:01:33 <njsg> hi .*
14:01:43 <rsx11m> hi njsg
14:01:43 <frg_away> njsg hi
14:01:54 <rsx11m> hi everybody else 8-)
14:02:28 <IanN> Status meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-28
14:02:33 <IanN> Who's taking minutes?
14:02:52 <frg_away> me and late again probably
14:04:51 <IanN> thanks
14:04:53 <tonymec> frg_away: all my former problems have been fixed or worked around. I stroke the corresponding lines through in this meeting's page rather than erasing them so there is a trace of them having been fixed; they can be erased when copy-pasting
14:05:03 <tonymec> into next meeting's page
14:05:07 <IanN> Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
14:06:07 <frg_away> tonymec There was one problem with a build and the others are in the extension section.
14:06:24 <WG9s> I niminate IanN for just leding us on this effort
14:06:26 <tonymec> frg_away: yeah exactly
14:06:44 <rsx11m> seconding WG9s
14:06:50 <IanN> thanks
14:07:07 <frg_away> ++ and  nominateng for backporting and bugsplatting
14:07:08 <tonymec> thirding
14:07:20 <frg_away> ^nominating
14:07:53 <njsg> fourthing
14:09:36 <IanN> Action Items
14:09:51 <frg_away> nothing new here
14:09:57 <IanN> I gues working on BugSplat could be added there...
14:10:09 <frg_away> It is in infra
14:10:16 <frg_away> can move it
14:11:20 <IanN> infra is fine
14:12:19 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
14:12:40 <frg_away> Nothing from me.
14:15:11 <IanN> nor me, other than BugSplatting...
14:15:34 <frg_away> Any update about a new Linux builder?
14:15:58 <IanN> I need to catch up with ewong on that
14:16:48 <frg_away> Plan to update the build files a bit delayed but for 2.53.18 it will be needed I think
14:17:00 <WG9s> IanN: Can you provide a URL the would explain what BugPSplating is?
14:17:29 <frg_away> Basically a crash report server.
14:17:43 <WG9s> IF you need a new Linux builder I could perhaps do builds and post
14:17:44 <frg_away> bugsplat.com
14:18:18 <IanN> ewong is sorting a rocky 8 box out
14:18:46 <frg_away> WG9s just something for azure. I think you have access to the old one already?
14:19:20 <WG9s> I am not sure I have anyway to post build results to anywhere other than to AMO nightly
14:20:17 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
14:21:03 <WG9s> well all of my builds seem to know be working comm-central and 2.53 on all platforms
14:21:28 <frg_away> All building. c-c needs a patch which WG9s already did. Will push with the next batch or next week. 2.53 is almost Python 3 ready thanks to Myckel.
14:21:54 <WG9s> yews I ment working on comm-central with the current gitlab
14:21:54 <IanN> thanks Myckel
14:22:14 <Myckel> np, just fulfilling my own needs ;-)
14:23:02 <frg_away> Just need to sort Windows building.
14:24:14 <IanN> frg_away: you'll do fine
14:24:50 <frg_away> I wish...
14:26:42 <IanN> Release Train
14:27:22 <frg_away> 2.53.16.1 was scrapped. 2.53.17b1 is more or less ready. Just need the word from the boss.
14:27:43 <frg_away> Till then adding non breaking stuff to it.
14:28:01 <tomman> .17b1 looks solid here
14:28:17 <frg_away> js e4x for each is out so test add-ons
14:28:56 <frg_away> This was already out in Nightly 56 so hopefully only breaks ancient stuff which is already broken aynway.
14:28:58 <tomman> so far the only loss here is Flashblock, which continues bitrotting and might as well scrap the whole thing and find another way to block videos
14:29:35 <frg_away> tomman not planning to break much more add-on wise.
14:30:11 <tomman> Redirector required a one-line fix (nsIPrefBranchInternal is now gone forever), but after that it keeps redirecting like a boss~
14:30:14 <frg_away> Still only Bug 1388317 and Bug 1083458
14:30:15 <tomman> everything else looks fine
14:31:03 <IanN> I'd like to have crash reports to BugSplat working for 2.53.17b1
14:32:05 <frg_away> Just think we should set a deadlin maybe next week. Release is overdue and 2.53.16 wasn't exactly stellar with the breakages.
14:32:15 <tonymec> my search bar problem is fixed but I can't find it back in today's meeting page.
14:32:26 <WG9s> so using bugspat intest of the mozilla crahreporter site?
14:32:44 <IanN> yes, that's the plan
14:32:58 <WG9s> so using bugsplat instead of the mozilla crashreporter site?
14:33:11 <WG9s> OK just trying to fix my typos
14:33:41 <frg_away> tonymec I removed it because it was only a 3 days break in the prerelease. DIdn't think we should add these to meeting notes because happens now and then but can add it back.
14:34:12 <tonymec> frg_away: don't bother
14:34:20 <IanN> we currently use something on azure for crash reporting, but it needs more work and bugsplat is mostly there
14:34:28 <frg_away> WG9s yes. Mozilla crashreporter site is long gone. they kicked us out and ewong struggles  since then the get ourrs wokring.
14:34:46 <tomman> does that mean that crash reports are going nowhere right now?
14:34:50 * frg_away types too fast again
14:35:19 <frg_away> tomman they are there but need ewong to gte useful information.
14:35:28 <WG9s> OK someow I guess I missed that discussion probably because of my out of pocket meetings
14:42:25 <WG9s> kind of my question should i no longer be running mach buildsymbols untilthis is sorted?
14:42:36 <IanN> Extensions Tracking
14:43:08 <frg_away> WG9s Please still do. With all the build system changes it helps to see is there is breakage there.
14:43:20 <IanN> WG9s: I think they are still useful, where do they go?
14:43:30 <frg_away> Nothing else for extensions from me.
14:44:05 <WG9s> IanN: they go to the Mozilla crashreporter system
14:44:12 <WG9s> as far as I know
14:44:53 <WG9s> perhaps I can put in a patch so that the symbols are still build but not do the upload part
14:45:26 <WG9s> so amke sure building it still works but no sense uploading to a place where they are not going to help
14:45:58 <tonymec> my extensions problem have been fixed, except in one exception, unimportant to me, which is now disabled.
14:46:15 <tonymec> ...problems...
14:46:54 <WG9s> or perhaps they are going to a crashrepoter server that ewong set up i need to check
14:46:55 <tonymec> ...in one extension...
14:46:57 <tomman> nothing new to report from here either
14:47:30 <IanN> thanks
14:47:42 <IanN> 2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable
14:48:15 <frg_away> bau.
14:48:17 <tomman> Flashblock broke so badly this time that its context menu entries are now on ALL browser context menus on .17b1
14:48:26 <tomman> on .16 it just didn't blocked videos anymore
14:48:33 <tomman> so maybe it's time to let it go
14:49:10 <tomman> haven't had the time (or the mood) to sit and get my hands wet with this pile of legacy that has abandoned since the first Obama administration
14:49:39 <tomman> (any options for blocking video that don't involve installing a full-fat adblocker/scriptblocker?)
14:50:06 <frg_away> Not from me. Maybe something from Pale Moon?
14:50:31 <frg_away> Happy with uBlock NoScript (which could use an update too).
14:50:37 <njsg> from the description sounds like it might be some code that's used to check whether the menu items are enabled or not that's working differently
14:52:07 <njsg> official website at mozdev. *sigh*, yeah, it'd help if it hadn't been taken down :-)
14:52:39 <tomman> njsg: I can upload the last "half-working" one I have here
14:52:40 <frg_away> njsg flashblock is from the NoScript author
14:53:41 <njsg> frg_away: oh, so not this? http://web.archive.org/web/20181203152851/http://www.mozdev.org/source/browse/flashblock/
14:54:10 <frg_away> njsg oh mixed up. You are right. flashgot doh
14:54:31 <njsg> ah, I was wondering as I had just seen a different name for this one
14:55:25 <frg_away> I used it long ago but blocking media over a certain size via uBlock and NoScript is more to my taste.
14:55:55 <tomman> njsg: https://we.tl/t-WuUGJLRCEa
14:56:33 <tomman> if you decide to have fun with it, you will notice that the settings dialog has also been kinda broken (checkboxes working but not being rendered)
14:58:09 <njsg> not sure I'll have time for that, but I was already peeking at some of the code in the (archived) web vcs interface
14:58:40 <IanN> AOB?
14:59:04 <frg_away> bau.
14:59:21 <tonymec> nothing from me except I'm much happier than last time
14:59:43 <IanN> tonymec: i'm glad you are happier
14:59:50 <njsg> I've been (trying to) understand what's happening in the editor, some features are not working as expected, nothing new, newest change in behaviour has been in 2.53.1
15:00:21 <frg_away> well we try to not break add-ons every meeting. Maybe every second or third... :)
15:00:24 <tonymec> IanN: mostly thanks to you :-)
15:00:43 <IanN> tonymec: well I broke it, so I should help fix it
15:00:52 <tonymec> :-)
15:02:39 <WG9s> that is what i like about SeMonkey  we have the if I broke it I should fix it attitude.  seems the Mozilla folks have lost that atitude.
15:03:07 <IanN> so next meeting in 3 weeks time
15:03:16 <IanN> thanks for your time today
15:03:23 <tomman> WG9s: "move fast and break all the things"
15:03:29 <IanN> same bat channel, same bat time
15:03:37 <rsx11m> yepp, June 18th
15:03:48 <rsx11m> cu then
15:03:55 <tomman> drive carefully~
15:03:59 <tomman> off to the laundry room!
15:04:06 <WG9s> thanks IanN
15:04:08 <frg_away> see you
15:04:17 <njsg> laundry drive-thru? :-P
15:04:20 <frg_Away> here
15:07:10 <tonymec> oh. In my cZ sidebar, "frg_away" → "frg_Away" changed immediately from dark bold to grey italic but "tonymec" stayed grey italic during the whole meeting even though I've been "/back" all the time.
15:07:59 <tonymec> no change
15:07:59 <frg_Away> tonymec you flip fine here
15:08:07 <frg_Away> Now black
15:08:58 <tonymec> frg_Away: well, not here. I wonder if the fact that it's _my_ nick makes a difference.
15:13:20 <tonymec|away> well, have three nice weeks everybody, until next time.
21:19:11 <WG9s> tonymec|away: guess you are just a grey itlic kind of guy