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pratman
hello
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frg_Away
Hi pratman
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pratman
my fix got landed :)
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pratman
suite
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frg_Away
The first one :)
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pratman
yes thank you :]
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IanN
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WG9s
IanN: here for the meeting
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IanN
hi WG9s
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IanN
hi tonymec
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tonymec
hello IanN WG9s njsg
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WG9s
IanN: so 2 power and one Internet outage so far this morning so if I disappear, don;t take offense
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WG9s
tne scond power outage included the internet outage which somehow got my windoes build system so screswed up it sould not boot but I managed to fix that.
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WG9s
hi tonymec
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tonymec
wouldn't boot, wow!
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IanN
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tomman
pancakes are set~
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tomman
I'm dangerously early today :D
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tomman
...except that it's close to 10 AM here
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tonymec
hello tomman
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tonymec
dangerously?
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WG9s
tonymec: well would boot to the point where starting to start windows and would hang with the spinning thingy
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tonymec
WG9s: so you fixed that, congratulations
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tomman
tonymec: it's Sunday, usually I'm not having breakfast until past 10, sometimes 11
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IanN
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WG9s
gogle is great for finding solutions to problems
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tonymec
tomman: :-)
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tonymec
hello frg_away
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frg_away
tonymec hi
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WG9s
and sometimes youtube has a step by step video and not just for tch issues like how to fis my gas clothes dryer etc.
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tomman
WG9s: I avoid videos completely, I'm more of the kind that prefer walls o' text
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tomman
sadly many tutorials and even fixes are available via video only :/
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tonymec
WG9s: for a no-boot problem you need a 2nd computer, well, congrats anyway.
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tomman
(one of the reasons I stopped reading iFixit teardowns, as they had largely switched to video-only ones)
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WG9s
tomman: I have found the test only has more details you need but the video shows you more abot what they are talking about. I find often need to combine both
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frg_away
Hi rsx11m
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rsx11m
hi frg_away
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tonymec
hello rsx11m
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rsx11m
hi tonymec tomman IanN WG9s
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IanN
hi rsx11m
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WG9s
hi rsx11m
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njsg
hi .*
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rsx11m
hi njsg
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frg_away
njsg hi
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rsx11m
hi everybody else 8-)
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IanN
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IanN
Who's taking minutes?
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frg_away
me and late again probably
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IanN
thanks
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tonymec
frg_away: all my former problems have been fixed or worked around. I stroke the corresponding lines through in this meeting's page rather than erasing them so there is a trace of them having been fixed; they can be erased when copy-pasting
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tonymec
into next meeting's page
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IanN
Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
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frg_away
tonymec There was one problem with a build and the others are in the extension section.
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WG9s
I niminate IanN for just leding us on this effort
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tonymec
frg_away: yeah exactly
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rsx11m
seconding WG9s
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IanN
thanks
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frg_away
++ and nominateng for backporting and bugsplatting
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tonymec
thirding
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frg_away
^nominating
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njsg
fourthing
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IanN
Action Items
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frg_away
nothing new here
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IanN
I gues working on BugSplat could be added there...
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frg_away
It is in infra
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frg_away
can move it
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IanN
infra is fine
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IanN
Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
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frg_away
Nothing from me.
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IanN
nor me, other than BugSplatting...
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frg_away
Any update about a new Linux builder?
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IanN
I need to catch up with ewong on that
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frg_away
Plan to update the build files a bit delayed but for 2.53.18 it will be needed I think
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WG9s
IanN: Can you provide a URL the would explain what BugPSplating is?
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frg_away
Basically a crash report server.
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WG9s
IF you need a new Linux builder I could perhaps do builds and post
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frg_away
bugsplat.com
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IanN
ewong is sorting a rocky 8 box out
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frg_away
WG9s just something for azure. I think you have access to the old one already?
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WG9s
I am not sure I have anyway to post build results to anywhere other than to AMO nightly
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IanN
Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
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WG9s
well all of my builds seem to know be working comm-central and 2.53 on all platforms
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frg_away
All building. c-c needs a patch which WG9s already did. Will push with the next batch or next week. 2.53 is almost Python 3 ready thanks to Myckel.
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WG9s
yews I ment working on comm-central with the current gitlab
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IanN
thanks Myckel
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Myckel
np, just fulfilling my own needs ;-)
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frg_away
Just need to sort Windows building.
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IanN
frg_away: you'll do fine
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frg_away
I wish...
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IanN
Release Train
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frg_away
2.53.16.1 was scrapped. 2.53.17b1 is more or less ready. Just need the word from the boss.
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frg_away
Till then adding non breaking stuff to it.
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tomman
.17b1 looks solid here
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frg_away
js e4x for each is out so test add-ons
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frg_away
This was already out in Nightly 56 so hopefully only breaks ancient stuff which is already broken aynway.
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tomman
so far the only loss here is Flashblock, which continues bitrotting and might as well scrap the whole thing and find another way to block videos
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frg_away
tomman not planning to break much more add-on wise.
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tomman
Redirector required a one-line fix (nsIPrefBranchInternal is now gone forever), but after that it keeps redirecting like a boss~
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frg_away
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tomman
everything else looks fine
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IanN
I'd like to have crash reports to BugSplat working for 2.53.17b1
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frg_away
Just think we should set a deadlin maybe next week. Release is overdue and 2.53.16 wasn't exactly stellar with the breakages.
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tonymec
my search bar problem is fixed but I can't find it back in today's meeting page.
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WG9s
so using bugspat intest of the mozilla crahreporter site?
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IanN
yes, that's the plan
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WG9s
so using bugsplat instead of the mozilla crashreporter site?
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WG9s
OK just trying to fix my typos
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frg_away
tonymec I removed it because it was only a 3 days break in the prerelease. DIdn't think we should add these to meeting notes because happens now and then but can add it back.
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tonymec
frg_away: don't bother
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IanN
we currently use something on azure for crash reporting, but it needs more work and bugsplat is mostly there
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frg_away
WG9s yes. Mozilla crashreporter site is long gone. they kicked us out and ewong struggles since then the get ourrs wokring.
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tomman
does that mean that crash reports are going nowhere right now?
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» frg_away types too fast again
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frg_away
tomman they are there but need ewong to gte useful information.
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WG9s
OK someow I guess I missed that discussion probably because of my out of pocket meetings
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WG9s
kind of my question should i no longer be running mach buildsymbols untilthis is sorted?
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IanN
Extensions Tracking
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frg_away
WG9s Please still do. With all the build system changes it helps to see is there is breakage there.
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IanN
WG9s: I think they are still useful, where do they go?
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frg_away
Nothing else for extensions from me.
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WG9s
IanN: they go to the Mozilla crashreporter system
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WG9s
as far as I know
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WG9s
perhaps I can put in a patch so that the symbols are still build but not do the upload part
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WG9s
so amke sure building it still works but no sense uploading to a place where they are not going to help
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tonymec
my extensions problem have been fixed, except in one exception, unimportant to me, which is now disabled.
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tonymec
...problems...
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WG9s
or perhaps they are going to a crashrepoter server that ewong set up i need to check
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tonymec
...in one extension...
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tomman
nothing new to report from here either
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IanN
thanks
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IanN
2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable
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frg_away
bau.
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tomman
Flashblock broke so badly this time that its context menu entries are now on ALL browser context menus on .17b1
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tomman
on .16 it just didn't blocked videos anymore
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tomman
so maybe it's time to let it go
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tomman
haven't had the time (or the mood) to sit and get my hands wet with this pile of legacy that has abandoned since the first Obama administration
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tomman
(any options for blocking video that don't involve installing a full-fat adblocker/scriptblocker?)
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frg_away
Not from me. Maybe something from Pale Moon?
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frg_away
Happy with uBlock NoScript (which could use an update too).
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njsg
from the description sounds like it might be some code that's used to check whether the menu items are enabled or not that's working differently
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njsg
official website at mozdev. *sigh*, yeah, it'd help if it hadn't been taken down :-)
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tomman
njsg: I can upload the last "half-working" one I have here
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frg_away
njsg flashblock is from the NoScript author
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njsg
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frg_away
njsg oh mixed up. You are right. flashgot doh
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njsg
ah, I was wondering as I had just seen a different name for this one
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frg_away
I used it long ago but blocking media over a certain size via uBlock and NoScript is more to my taste.
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tomman
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tomman
if you decide to have fun with it, you will notice that the settings dialog has also been kinda broken (checkboxes working but not being rendered)
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njsg
not sure I'll have time for that, but I was already peeking at some of the code in the (archived) web vcs interface
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IanN
AOB?
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frg_away
bau.
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tonymec
nothing from me except I'm much happier than last time
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IanN
tonymec: i'm glad you are happier
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njsg
I've been (trying to) understand what's happening in the editor, some features are not working as expected, nothing new, newest change in behaviour has been in 2.53.1
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frg_away
well we try to not break add-ons every meeting. Maybe every second or third... :)
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tonymec
IanN: mostly thanks to you :-)
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IanN
tonymec: well I broke it, so I should help fix it
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tonymec
:-)
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WG9s
that is what i like about SeMonkey we have the if I broke it I should fix it attitude. seems the Mozilla folks have lost that atitude.
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IanN
so next meeting in 3 weeks time
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IanN
thanks for your time today
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tomman
WG9s: "move fast and break all the things"
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IanN
same bat channel, same bat time
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rsx11m
yepp, June 18th
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rsx11m
cu then
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tomman
drive carefully~
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tomman
off to the laundry room!
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WG9s
thanks IanN
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frg_away
see you
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njsg
laundry drive-thru? :-P
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frg_Away
here
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tonymec
oh. In my cZ sidebar, "frg_away" → "frg_Away" changed immediately from dark bold to grey italic but "tonymec" stayed grey italic during the whole meeting even though I've been "/back" all the time.
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tonymec
no change
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frg_Away
tonymec you flip fine here
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frg_Away
Now black
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tonymec
frg_Away: well, not here. I wonder if the fact that it's _my_ nick makes a difference.
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tonymec|away
well, have three nice weeks everybody, until next time.
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WG9s
tonymec|away: guess you are just a grey itlic kind of guy