00:13:19 <GrannyGoose> kinda
00:13:34 <GrannyGoose> as long as they dont change the license
00:15:58 <GrannyGoose> i'll be back lil later, gotta run up the street
00:23:44 <CaptainTobin> as redesigns go.. I don't hate this I just miss the 2009 era icon
00:24:05 <CaptainTobin> might need a bit more definition..
00:25:20 <CaptainTobin> but design wise it isn't the worst.. and it could be added to later when design trends change.. the glyph its self and the mail chat and even the featery fire tail is fine .. tho i'd add a bit of pink as a superhighlight on the purple highlight
00:25:30 <CaptainTobin> it would be so much worse
00:25:48 <CaptainTobin> speaking of redesigns.. i have a new effect on the BinOC wordmark
00:25:55 <CaptainTobin> go check it out if it suits you
00:26:11 <CaptainTobin> suites you?
01:08:06 <tomman> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36063943 and of course Hackernews is in love with the new TB logo
01:08:20 <CaptainTobin> it has potental
01:08:24 <tomman> > It communicates to new users that this is a currently maintained project, that it has modern features that they expect, that it works on the latest operating system that they might have installed, etc.
01:08:30 <CaptainTobin> but current design trends won't allow full expression
01:08:33 <tomman> guys, we need a rebrand, pronto!
01:08:45 <tomman> pay me $500 for a 5 minute hackjob on Inkscape
01:08:56 <CaptainTobin> I am a designer.. even shit design aesthteics and choices can be made better without loosing the aim.. if you have the balls to..
01:10:32 <CaptainTobin> tomman: see my speculative design change.. binoc-wordmark and image81 the rest are older effects https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091572226748321833/1109573740330746108/image.png
01:12:00 <CaptainTobin> tomman: and check the small version on the site i think shit like that is gonna be the next phase of design
01:12:14 <CaptainTobin> beyond this thunderbird shit
01:12:36 <CaptainTobin> which is only getting in on gradients coming back into fasion.. i am leapfrogging
01:27:02 <tomman> you're missing the Apple Icon™
01:27:23 <CaptainTobin> on what?
01:27:25 <CaptainTobin> lol
01:28:31 <CaptainTobin> I am gonna do a whole new icon set with that aestetic but using the glyphs from the icon sets i already have
01:28:58 <CaptainTobin> but will Mariner and Interlink get them or will I horde all my great advancements for Borealis AppCore
01:29:04 <CaptainTobin> that is the question tomman
01:29:27 <CaptainTobin> and should I even care about maintaining current-toolkit style buildability past interlink and mariner
07:03:31 <njsg> "It communicates to new users that this is a currently maintained project," <-- yeah, I guess for some people change is *just* that, no matter what it changes. a system to rank projects into best to worst
14:52:00 <ripspin> I haven't had sound on seamonkey for months, so I downloaded the latest, ran it and it was the same, palemoon is fine with sound, I checked about:config, search for 'sound' and all looked good, would appreciate some suggestions
14:52:34 <tomman> ripspin: what platform/OS?
14:57:54 <njsg> which audio system?
15:13:53 <ripspin> Im back, i just restarted seamonkey
15:14:26 <ripspin> I haven't had sound on seamonkey for months, so I downloaded the latest, ran it and it was the same, palemoon is fine with sound, I checked about:config, search for 'sound' and all looked good, would appreciate some suggestions
15:16:24 <IanN_Away> ripspin: to repeat the previous questions from others, what platform/OS and which audio system?
15:16:27 <Tobin> ripspin: this channel has logging so you don't need to repeat yourself dude not to mention scrollback
15:16:59 <Tobin> ripspin: Pale Moon's audio subsystem isn't identical to SeaMonkey's and certainly isn't now vs the respective origin fork points
15:17:21 <Tobin> so you cannot use that as a comparison when they aren't using identical means
15:17:23 <ripspin> ok thanks I didn't know
15:17:39 <Tobin> IanN_Away: does sm use pulseaudio primarily?
15:17:45 <Tobin> and what version of cubeb are you at
15:18:23 <Tobin> stab in the dark but there have been edge cases on windows and linux with cubeb without ALL the pre-req refactoring
15:18:34 <Tobin> but I would guess you are just missing a dependancy ripspin
15:18:35 <ripspin> how do i check the audio?
15:18:36 <IanN_Away> Tobin: yes, pulse
15:19:05 <ripspin> Im running linux
15:19:25 <Tobin> ripspin: That gets into linux internals terratory .. is there anything in about:support that looks off..
15:20:08 <ripspin> I checked with grep of 'sound'
15:20:41 <IanN_Away> Tobin: 0.5.2 I believe
15:20:47 <Tobin> audio backend is a value but uxp-class about:support may be different than SM about:support at this point and I don't have seamonkey not-2.49 handy
15:21:36 <Tobin> ripspin: what distro what version what arch
15:21:51 <Tobin> and what version of seamonkey?
15:22:04 <IanN_Away> in about:support it should say under Media what Audio Backend is in use
15:22:34 <Tobin> UXP has it filed under graphics .. Aura should change that.. or just replace the damn page with stuff that is actually useful in MAH diagnostics :P
15:23:34 <ripspin> does this look right? media.useAudioChannelAPI; false
15:25:23 <Tobin> Audio Backend.
15:25:49 <ripspin> Audio Backend	unknown
15:25:54 <Tobin> well
15:26:00 <Tobin> that is why you don't have sound
15:26:02 <IanN_Away> ripspin: what distro?
15:26:05 <Tobin> now as for why it is unknown..
15:26:06 <Tobin> heh
15:26:28 <ripspin> Max Channels	0
15:26:35 <IanN_Away> ripspin: what distro?
15:26:51 <ripspin> puppy xenial
15:29:06 <ripspin> Preferred Sample Rate	44100 is the only thing under media with real data in it
15:29:10 <IanN_Away> ripspin: does that come with pulseaudio?
15:29:26 <Tobin> I think he doesn't know how to determine that
15:29:30 <ripspin> I don;t know
15:29:33 <Tobin> see
15:29:34 <IanN_Away> https://wikka.puppylinux.com/pulseaudio
15:29:50 <IanN_Away> looks like it doesn't, you have to install it
15:31:04 <CaptainTobin> Pale Moon can fallback to alsa and there has been some other work on different backends.. Check what backend Pale Moon is using the Audio Backend is under the Graphics section there. I betcha it is Alsa cause I believe we never dropped it.
15:31:43 <CaptainTobin> tho pulse works better than alsa across the board in practical experience
15:32:05 <CaptainTobin> Just cause it be xul does not mean it be the exact same.. Always remember that ripspin
15:32:33 <IanN_Away> yes, i've found pulse to be better than alsa in most cases that I can remember
15:34:06 <CaptainTobin> christ I am gonna have to itemize not only my new stuff in Aura but all the features that came with 52 and were added to UXP cause I should KNOW the actual capabilities of my own damned codebase eh?
15:34:08 <IanN_Away> ripspin: did you find how to install pulseaudio?
15:35:28 <CaptainTobin> then compare and contrast that with SM56Evo
15:37:18 <ripspin> palemoon has: media.decoder-doctor.notifications-allowed;MediaWMFNeeded,MediaWidevineNoWMFNoSilverlight,MediaCannotInitializePulseAudio,MediaCannotPlayNoDecoders,MediaUnsupportedLibavcodec
15:38:12 <ripspin> No, I don't know how to istall it
15:38:30 <IanN_Away> ripspin: https://wikka.puppylinux.com/pulseaudio
15:39:46 <IanN_Away> ripspin: to find out if it is installed try "apt list pulseaudio"
15:41:01 <ripspin> It said it installed it
15:41:13 <ripspin> I don't have apt
15:41:52 <ripspin> I thin Im gona have to restart SM
15:43:06 <ripspin> Ill be back
15:44:02 <IanN_Away> ripspin: according to forums you can use the apulse wrapper
15:45:41 <IanN_Away> searching for puppy and pulse throws up lots of results on how to get a small dog breathing again...
15:47:29 <ripspin> Im back
15:47:35 <IanN_Away> ripspin: have your tried "apulse seamonky"
15:47:41 <IanN_Away> ripspin: have your tried "apulse seamonkey"
15:48:33 <ripspin> no I will give it a go
16:00:35 <ripspin> 	got sound, but so far I can't stop it, it doesn't respond to the speaker off icon
16:00:53 <CaptainTobin> the wrapper may not support channel control
16:01:15 <CaptainTobin> i dunno it is outside my area of vaguely knowing what I am talking about at this point
16:01:24 <ripspin> the icon changes but the audio continues, even when I stop the video
16:01:24 <CaptainTobin> sorry
16:02:12 <IanN_Away> best thing to probably do is to get pulseaudio installed and working, forums for pupplylinux can probably help with that
16:03:37 <ripspin> Yes, I will do some experiments with the installed pulse audio
16:04:28 <ripspin> Thanks for you help, at least I have sound, which very nice for a change
20:50:45 <CaptainTobin> hi frg_away
20:51:29 <frg_away> CaptainTobin hi
20:52:20 <CaptainTobin> what's crackin?
20:53:54 <frg_away> not much here.
20:54:24 <CaptainTobin> i been designing for stage 2 of mah plan
20:54:38 <CaptainTobin> see notice if it suits you
20:54:41 <CaptainTobin> or suites you
20:54:42 <CaptainTobin> lol
20:56:27 <frg_away> My old eyes now actually work best with white background and black standard font.
20:56:52 <CaptainTobin> a shame
20:57:18 <CaptainTobin> frg_away: when i futz some basic mobile in LATER i will do a light mode
20:57:31 <CaptainTobin> but it will still be same font and metrics
20:59:31 <CaptainTobin> of course mobile will just be basically collapsing the menu to an icon and putting sidebar crap at the bottom
20:59:38 <CaptainTobin> at a fixed width
20:59:45 <CaptainTobin> that's about as much mobile as i can muster
20:59:55 <frg_away> computer monitor is still ok mostly but paper and small letters are becoming a problem sometimes. Suspect eye doctors will make a fortune in the next 20 years when the current generation grows older :)
21:02:39 <CaptainTobin> eventually
22:07:28 * hrosik renewed ircbot's certificate for web interface
22:17:27 <frg_away> hrosik thanks for still providing the service
22:17:42 <hrosik> no problem :)
22:18:30 <hrosik> I'm just not maintaining it very actively...
22:19:39 <hrosik> IOW: the least I can do, for those who have been keeping SM alive for so long