14:48:26 <Tobin> Welp, binoc website is up but needs more server work.. a lot of server work.. oh well doing it live IS a BinOC trope..
14:48:28 <Tobin> still existence is a nice thing to have
14:49:48 <Tobin> thing is.. I used to do this crap day in and day out.. why has this been so difficult for me.. then again if it wasn't difficult likely wouldn't be impressing several points the universe has DECIDED I should learn.. still it doesn't need to be THIS hard lol
15:42:21 <tomman> https://hcsimulator.com/imports/NEUROBLAST_HyperCard-642789DF holy hell, such a toxic cocktail of webshit just to emulate Apple Tech from 1985!
15:42:22 <tomman> > SyntaxError: invalid identity escape in regular expression
15:42:26 <tomman> so fancy regex junk
15:42:35 <tomman> > ReferenceError: customElements is not defined
15:42:42 <tomman> good ol' Google WebComponents®
15:42:51 <tomman> > TypeError: window.ShadowRoot is undefined
15:42:57 <tomman> of course suck comes in pairs
15:43:04 <tomman> > TypeError: window.visualViewport is undefined
15:43:13 <tomman> OK, 'tis one is news to me
15:43:18 <tomman> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/visualViewport
15:43:25 <tomman> > FF91
15:43:38 <Tobin> yeah
15:43:39 <Tobin> Timestamp: 5/18/2023 10:41:05
15:43:39 <Tobin> Error: TypeError: window.visualViewport is undefined
15:43:39 <Tobin> Source File: https://hcsimulator.com/imports/NEUROBLAST_HyperCard-642789DF
15:43:39 <Tobin> Line: 8204
15:43:46 <Tobin> in Mariner
15:43:58 <Tobin> Mariner is what old borealis became
15:44:09 <Tobin> as I am gonna use the Borealis name for something grander
15:44:11 <tomman> bonus: the support/feedback links to... Discord, of course
15:44:14 <Tobin> the appcore I have hinted aboot
15:45:42 <frg_Away> tomman Bug 1357785
15:45:59 <Tobin> tomman: v28 is likely the last of the second generation BinOC designs btw.. First Generation was a Web 1.9 table based layout with transparent PNGs making up effects we can do now in css.. the second generation was basic div based.. the next will likely be a BinOC interpretation of XML serialized html5
15:46:21 <tomman> frg_Away: love the bug heading:
15:46:23 <tomman> > Chrome is going to be shipping the Visual Viewport API [1] soon. I looked over the spec again today and I think it makes sense and we should support it as well.
15:46:50 <tomman> basically "Google shipped it and webdevs are gonna jump onto it on their next git pull framework update"
15:46:57 <Tobin> yes
15:47:15 <Tobin> well I have some plans about that
15:47:21 <Tobin> tomman: stay tuned
15:47:50 <Tobin> franstam: hi
15:47:54 <tomman> please tell me your plans include forcing webdevs to trade in their Macs at gunpoint for Windows 98 machines
15:48:22 <Tobin> they can have powerpc macs
15:48:38 <Tobin> i like me some g3 bondiblue imac or g4 ilamp don't you know
15:49:01 <Tobin> I even put a bondiblue imac on the BinOC front page as the traditional monitor showing old site screenshot trope
15:49:30 <tomman> OK, let's force webdevs to forcibly trade in their ARMacs for clamshell PPC iBooks then :)
15:49:47 <Tobin> but intel macs are just crap obsolete laptop parts ductaped onto the back of an overpriced lcd monitor
15:50:14 <Tobin> Let's not force webdevs to do anything and force others to do the same.. Let web tech evolve naturally and THEN formalize
15:53:19 <frg_Away> Tobin well I like my old 2012 mac mini. I just don't like macOS or the walled garden new apple hardware any longer.
15:53:44 <Tobin> Tiger was the last good OSX version
15:54:25 <frg_Away> I liked 10.14 and then it seemed to go downhill.
15:54:53 <Tobin> I wish haiku was viable
15:54:59 <Tobin> BeOS was cool as fuck
18:29:37 <njsg> tomman: so that's another emulator that bypasses the CORS issue?
18:30:07 <tomman> this one wasn't a emulator, but a Hypercard implementation in "web technologies" AKA Chromeisms
18:31:05 <njsg> 0518|16:45:39 <+tomman> please tell me your plans include forcing webdevs to trade in their Macs at gunpoint for Windows 98 machines <-- a change to improve usability? that's unheard of these days! since when should a change make things more usable!? scandalous!
18:32:05 <tomman> now THAT would be Disruptive™ in the "disruptive" meaning of the word, not in the "Venture Capital" meaning
18:32:18 <njsg> what's the VC meaning of it?
18:32:33 <njsg> (I shouldn't have asked that, should I?)
18:33:49 <tomman> "move fast and break things, because that's the only way to make money these days"
18:34:17 <njsg> you mean more fast & furious movies?
18:34:41 <tomman> no, that's Hollywood Accounting
18:34:54 <tomman> you don't make money with movies, their accountants say