12:50:36 tomman: There was IEn, where n is something, for Unix but it didn't include MS Comic Chat, IIRC. 12:50:47 it instead shipped with some java-based text IRC client, I think 13:13:38 https://www.devever.net/~hl/pics speaking of IE 13:13:48 an old school website using... AVIF images 13:14:02 (to explain some ancient IE feature!) 13:14:15 at least the guy made good use of alt text 13:33:40 Meeting starts in 29 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07 13:37:08 ... sexps, interesting 13:53:39 Jso is that a orpno onPostScript thing? 13:56:55 hmm tring to say - njsg is that a porno PostScript thing? 13:57:24 sexps? 13:57:33 no, plural for sexp, short for s-expression 13:57:44 so more like a porno Lisp thing, perhaps 13:59:11 Status meeting starts in 4 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07 13:59:35 hi .* 13:59:54 hi for meeting 14:00:57 hi njsg and WG9s and tonymec 14:01:26 hi rsx11m 14:01:41 hi rsx11m 14:02:05 hi WG9s IanN njsg 14:02:15 hello IanN rsx11m WG9s njsg frg 14:02:25 hi tonymec 14:02:35 Hi rsx11m tonymec 14:02:41 ... and frg 14:02:50 Status meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07 14:03:16 next question: me 14:03:19 Who's taking minutes? 14:03:24 :-) 14:03:31 Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank 14:03:53 Pratik Chanda for Bug 619031. 14:04:01 agreed 14:05:11 Action Items 14:05:28 bau I think for me 14:06:06 project areas patch has had a couple of revisions 14:07:08 i've created a gitlab repo for add-ons, but still looking how it will all work 14:07:12 Added a patch for 2.57 removal in debugQA 14:08:12 question if we distribute patche, source and xpis I suspect. 14:08:18 ^patches 14:09:12 and where the artificats live / show up (i.e. the XPIs) 14:09:44 also, should it try to keep history where possible? 14:10:57 that would be the preference 14:12:23 Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure 14:13:15 Still didn't switch to Rocky 8. Expect this with 2.53.18. I was busy and dinÄta dd as much build stuff as planned. Or anything else... 14:14:09 I've done some initial work by creating an account for BugSplat 14:15:03 I uploaded the Windows symbols for one release as a test which worked but didn't try anything else. 14:15:11 I'm hoping to do some more work on it in the next week or so 14:15:36 ah so pressure is off on mettrying to get roky 8 builds to not requre newer lib version at runtime to run the build 14:19:58 yes 14:20:01 Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree 14:20:52 comm-central building was broken by some glean telemetry sdk changes. Worked around it with WG9s. Seems affectes at least my Firefox builds too. 14:21:15 searchbox in 2.53 has a problem which should be fixed soon. 14:21:24 Otherwise bau I think. 14:21:44 Release Train 14:22:04 yes thanks to frg for finding a workaround 14:22:37 We planned to do a 2.53.16.1 but I was busy at work. Didn't do a thing here. Should we do 2.53.17b1 or try to make 16.1 happen? 14:24:15 yes, as frg said, searchbox has a problem but sidebar searching is still OK (including autocomplete) and address bar searching with Keyword Search (which hasn't got autocomplete) is also OK. 14:24:22 it would be nice to do 16.1 but we have to target resource/time 14:24:39 tonymec you can also use the magnifying glass in the searchbar. 14:26:19 and people can just use my 2.52.17b1pre builds f it is an issue for them 14:26:22 Most esr 102 patches no longer apply but they seem to deal with spoofing fullscreen and notification a lot lately. So security wise not much to do because hard to spoof SeaMonkey with its totally different themes. 14:26:45 WG9s these are the ones currently broken :) 14:28:22 ok so then how owud 16.1 be required if 2.53.17 is not broke then whay a 2.53.16,1 and if not fixed in 2.53.17b1pre then whereis thiis 2.53.16,1 to fix it coming from? 14:28:58 WG9s for different items fixed in 2.53.17b1 pre. 2.53.17b1 pre just has a broken searchbox right now. 14:29:16 frg: IIUC that magnifying glass (...in the field to the left..., it says) is for the Address Bar. 14:29:39 tonymec I have it in my search bar since ages. 14:30:01 In the field itself 14:30:19 not the button with a magnifying glass, but one inside the search text field 14:30:20 but IF we don;t have a fix in 2.53.17b1pre then not sure where either a fix for actaul beta or 1.53.16.1 build would be coming from or tested 14:31:06 2.53.17b1 pre should be sorted soon. If IanN gives me the green light I can back out 3 patches or we fix it fast. 14:31:48 not a big deal either way. 14:32:18 JUst me trying to undersand I did not realize this was still an issue in my nightly builds 14:32:48 WG9s differnt tissues for both builds unfortunately. 14:36:18 oh, meeting came back to its usual timeslot 14:36:20 hi world~ 14:36:28 Extensions Tracking 14:36:31 Hi tomman 14:37:08 frg: in the field itself I only have the search plugin selector. The "Search" magnifying glass is a separate widget, customizable separately, but when I click on it with something in the search bar it opens the Wikipedia Home page for that Wikipedia (wp-fr being the selected search engine in the search bar, and wp-en in the address bar) 14:37:45 tonymec If I have something in the bar it searches for it 14:37:58 Anyway will be fixed soon one way or other. 14:38:31 I added a breakage section in the wiki for extensions. https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07#Extensions_Tracking 14:38:54 The nsIPrefbranch2 removal unfortunately affected some but the fix is simple. 14:39:33 oh, need to test Redirector and SOMEDAY sit and see what I can do to salvage Flashblock (at the very least rename it!) 14:39:54 I plan to put bug 1388317 and bug 1083458 in soon. Not that I like it but js parser updates are a mess with the old code in. 14:40:05 also, two another addons worth testing: MonkeyFix and Sea Fox (do anyone here still uses those?) 14:40:09 I had problems with two extensions but IanN tells me he has two extensions for me to be tested. To be continued next issue. 14:40:34 Sea Fox is a theme isn't it? 14:41:06 no 14:41:22 it's basically a tweak addon to bring back some classic Firefox-isms 14:41:34 has been abandoned for ages, but surprisingly it still works as of 2.53.16 14:41:54 (can't remember if I had to do some CSS fix many, MANY releases ago, it's on a now buried Mozillazine post) 14:42:11 Well all the latest removals should be easy to fix but someone needs to do it unfortunately. 14:43:10 https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/sea-fox/ wonder how many of those tweaks are now redundant or outright broken 14:43:55 (The companion themes have been broken for years, but we just moved on) 14:45:16 Well SeaTab-X-2 still works. I use it myself so unlikely that it will be broken without a patch :) 14:45:18 https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/seatab-x-2/ 14:45:28 Thinking about integrating the code for ages now. 14:46:08 pdf.js still works, another miracle~ 14:46:54 What we took out lately and still plan was 90% deprecated for ages. I took out some other stuff but this was obscure at best. 14:48:57 2.Next, Feature List, Planning & Roundtable 14:51:46 BAU there I think 14:53:15 bau for me. I how trouble with paid work goes away in the next days but you never know. 14:54:25 well the excessive levels 14:57:06 AOB 14:57:57 Next meeting is due to be 28th May 14:57:58 bau 14:58:57 Memorial Day weekend here, but may not be a problem 14:59:34 the 28th, I mean 15:01:09 okay, bank holiday weekend for me too, but no issues 15:01:33 thanks for everyone's time today, next meeting in 3 weeks, same bat time, same bat channel 15:02:26 bye then! 15:02:58 cu 15:03:10 bye rsx11m 15:03:11 here :) 15:03:24 semi here 15:22:03 IanN_Away: Character Palette functionality is back. Nightlytt (which is personalized directly via about:config) doesn't see the following AFAICT: nightly.templates.buildid = «UA:"${UserAgent}" ID:${AppBuildID}${Flags} ${Locale} c-c:${Changeset} m-c:${PlatformChangeset}» (without the «» which I use as unambiguous quotes), nightly.templates.title = «${TabTitle} - ${BrandName} ${Version}/${Platf 15:22:04 ormVe 15:22:06 rsion} (${AppBuildID}/${Locale}) ${TabsCount}T» (same remark). 15:24:06 tonymec|away: for nightlyTT I used the latest legacy which I think was 3.10 whereas your add-on may have been earlier, perhaps there are additional things broken with 3.10 15:29:51 my earlier version may have been a custom version by xsabolcs with a couple more ${} variables than the standard version but AFAICT I forgot to back it up before installing yours. 15:30:26 :( 15:30:43 yes what I have now calls itself 3.10 15:32:20 szabolcs instead of xsabolcs? 15:34:38 ah both :) 15:35:48 ${Flags} doesn't seem to be listed 15:39:21 tonymec|away: I can build out of beta instead of legacy of your prefer 15:39:32 tonymec|away: I can build out of beta instead of legacy if you prefer 15:40:10 tonymec|away: that says 3.9pre20160829 15:42:18 IanN_Away: don't rush. At addons.mozilla.org I see only a WebExt version. At addons.thunderbird.net I see a "nightly tester tools lite" (thus a different extension) advertised with the functionalities I want but labeled "for Thunderbird". I'll download it and see if it has a "toolkit" version mentioned in its code. 15:47:07 tonymec|away: uploaded in the same place as the others... 15:53:49 * tonymec|away downloaded the XPI somewhere it won't disappear but not yet installed it. He notices that the XPI is bigger than the later one. Let's see. 15:58:31 IanN_Away: No juice. Let's have a look at that thinned-down extension I noticed. 16:04:01 IanN_Away: I found it back: nightly_tester_tools-3.11-sm+tb.xpi -- shall I try to send it to you by DCC (if I find how)? 16:11:50 hm. nttlite says in its install.rdf: "Fx 1.5 to 1.6, Tb 1.5 to 1.6, Flock 1.0+ to 1.0+". No Toolkit section. Seems to me hopelessly outdated. 16:12:48 wow, Flock 16:12:56 haven't heard that name in at least one decade 16:17:54 tomman: not to mention versions 1.5 and 1.6 of Fx+Tb 16:23:43 IanN_Away: P.S. Its install.rdf says: Fx+Tb+Tk 39.0 to 56.0, Sm 2.38 to 2.53. 16:24:51 ^-- NTT 3.11 I mean 16:26:27 P.P.S. 77344 bytes zip-packed with a date in 2017. 19:06:37 IanN_Away: Ohhh! Reinstalled ntt 3.11 and now it works! No idea what had gone wrong but you may use it as-is if you want. For customization details, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/QA/Automation/Projects/Addons/NightlyTesterTools or Tools→Nightly Tester Tools→Customize Titlebar. 19:07:08 tonymec|away: any idea where it was generated from? 19:08:09 IanN_Away: IIRC it was a custom build by xabolcs including a couple of variables that I used and he and hskupin didn't. 19:11:24 IanN_Away: if you fear malware, there isn't any more of it than in the mainstream builds, it was built by the same people. 19:30:21 tonymec|away: just interested to look at the source of it 19:32:54 IIRC the source may be at some old changeset of xsabolcs's github repository for nightlytt, a little earlier than the Last Change Date of 2017-08-19 19:34:36 IanN_Away: or is it xabolcs? I never remember the spelling of that nick. 19:38:22 Full name Szabolcs Hubai but his github account is (was?) under his nick. 19:39:24 Maybe there is (was?) a separate branch on that repo for this custom build. 19:39:37 tonymec|away: https://github.com/xabolcs/nightlytt 19:39:57 IanN_Away: yeah, that's it. 19:43:26 IanN_Away: it _might_ be https://github.com/xabolcs/nightlytt/tree/branch-issue-129-platform-changeset but I'm not sure. The date is right and so is my recollection of the contents. 19:45:22 IanN_Away: No that isn't it, the install.rdf is different. 19:55:18 tonymec|away: https://github.com/xabolcs/nightlytt/tree/branch-issue-215-suite-cu-not-defined/ is closer, but I don't think that is it either 20:00:32 tonymec|away: https://github.com/mozilla/nightlytt/commit/9cc8d6e05999ae8d9a2fade2dcc34f785b6db5db has the correct install.rdf apart from it is 3.10 not 3.11 20:00:48 IanN_Away: no, I must have been mistaken, the latest one before WebExt is 3.10 and this is 3.11. Maybe I was sent a diff when I still had a clone of that repo but since then I've scrapped it. 20:05:18 Or maybe it was a merge of some changes from issue-129-platform-changeset with this 3.10 release. My memory is hazy. 20:07:07 tonymec|away: i'll see if I can track down the changeset 20:09:59 tonymec|away: i've uploaded a tweaked version for you to test 20:10:08 IanN_Away: Apparently hskupin also scrapped his nightlytt clone, that was my next guess. 20:14:06 IanN_Away: ok, let's restart and see. 20:15:45 IanN_Away: Bingo! 20:16:19 tonymec|away: great