tomman: There was IEn, where n is something, for Unix but it didn't include MS Comic Chat, IIRC.

it instead shipped with some java-based text IRC client, I think

devever.net/~hl/pics speaking of IE

an old school website using... AVIF images

(to explain some ancient IE feature!)

at least the guy made good use of alt text

Meeting starts in 29 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

... sexps, interesting

Jso is that a orpno onPostScript thing?

hmm tring to say - njsg is that a porno PostScript thing?

sexps?

no, plural for sexp, short for s-expression

so more like a porno Lisp thing, perhaps

Status meeting starts in 4 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

hi .*

hi for meeting

hi njsg and WG9s and tonymec

hi rsx11m

hi rsx11m

hi WG9s IanN njsg

hello IanN rsx11m WG9s njsg frg

hi tonymec

Hi rsx11m tonymec

... and frg

Status meeting time - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

next question: me

Who's taking minutes?

:-)

Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank

Pratik Chanda for Bug 619031.

agreed

Action Items

bau I think for me

project areas patch has had a couple of revisions

i've created a gitlab repo for add-ons, but still looking how it will all work

Added a patch for 2.57 removal in debugQA

question if we distribute patche, source and xpis I suspect.

^patches

and where the artificats live / show up (i.e. the XPIs)

also, should it try to keep history where possible?

that would be the preference

Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure

Still didn't switch to Rocky 8. Expect this with 2.53.18. I was busy and dinÄta dd as much build stuff as planned. Or anything else...

I've done some initial work by creating an account for BugSplat

I uploaded the Windows symbols for one release as a test which worked but didn't try anything else.

I'm hoping to do some more work on it in the next week or so

ah so pressure is off on mettrying to get roky 8 builds to not requre newer lib version at runtime to run the build

yes

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree

comm-central building was broken by some glean telemetry sdk changes. Worked around it with WG9s. Seems affectes at least my Firefox builds too.

searchbox in 2.53 has a problem which should be fixed soon.

Otherwise bau I think.

Release Train

yes thanks to frg for finding a workaround

We planned to do a 2.53.16.1 but I was busy at work. Didn't do a thing here. Should we do 2.53.17b1 or try to make 16.1 happen?

yes, as frg said, searchbox has a problem but sidebar searching is still OK (including autocomplete) and address bar searching with Keyword Search (which hasn't got autocomplete) is also OK.

it would be nice to do 16.1 but we have to target resource/time

tonymec you can also use the magnifying glass in the searchbar.

and people can just use my 2.52.17b1pre builds f it is an issue for them

Most esr 102 patches no longer apply but they seem to deal with spoofing fullscreen and notification a lot lately. So security wise not much to do because hard to spoof SeaMonkey with its totally different themes.

WG9s these are the ones currently broken :)

ok so then how owud 16.1 be required if 2.53.17 is not broke then whay a 2.53.16,1 and if not fixed in 2.53.17b1pre then whereis thiis 2.53.16,1 to fix it coming from?

WG9s for different items fixed in 2.53.17b1 pre. 2.53.17b1 pre just has a broken searchbox right now.

frg: IIUC that magnifying glass (...in the field to the left..., it says) is for the Address Bar.

tonymec I have it in my search bar since ages.

In the field itself

not the button with a magnifying glass, but one inside the search text field

but IF we don;t have a fix in 2.53.17b1pre then not sure where either a fix for actaul beta or 1.53.16.1 build would be coming from or tested

2.53.17b1 pre should be sorted soon. If IanN gives me the green light I can back out 3 patches or we fix it fast.

not a big deal either way.

JUst me trying to undersand I did not realize this was still an issue in my nightly builds

WG9s differnt tissues for both builds unfortunately.

oh, meeting came back to its usual timeslot

hi world~

Extensions Tracking

Hi tomman

frg: in the field itself I only have the search plugin selector. The "Search" magnifying glass is a separate widget, customizable separately, but when I click on it with something in the search bar it opens the Wikipedia Home page for that Wikipedia (wp-fr being the selected search engine in the search bar, and wp-en in the address bar)

tonymec If I have something in the bar it searches for it

Anyway will be fixed soon one way or other.

I added a breakage section in the wiki for extensions. wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMe…ings/2023-05-07#Extensions_Tracking

The nsIPrefbranch2 removal unfortunately affected some but the fix is simple.

oh, need to test Redirector and SOMEDAY sit and see what I can do to salvage Flashblock (at the very least rename it!)

I plan to put bug 1388317 and bug 1083458 in soon. Not that I like it but js parser updates are a mess with the old code in.

also, two another addons worth testing: MonkeyFix and Sea Fox (do anyone here still uses those?)

I had problems with two extensions but IanN tells me he has two extensions for me to be tested. To be continued next issue.

Sea Fox is a theme isn't it?

no

it's basically a tweak addon to bring back some classic Firefox-isms

has been abandoned for ages, but surprisingly it still works as of 2.53.16

(can't remember if I had to do some CSS fix many, MANY releases ago, it's on a now buried Mozillazine post)

Well all the latest removals should be easy to fix but someone needs to do it unfortunately.

addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/sea-fox wonder how many of those tweaks are now redundant or outright broken

(The companion themes have been broken for years, but we just moved on)

Well SeaTab-X-2 still works. I use it myself so unlikely that it will be broken without a patch :)

Thinking about integrating the code for ages now.

pdf.js still works, another miracle~

What we took out lately and still plan was 90% deprecated for ages. I took out some other stuff but this was obscure at best.

2.Next, Feature List, Planning & Roundtable

BAU there I think

bau for me. I how trouble with paid work goes away in the next days but you never know.

well the excessive levels

AOB

Next meeting is due to be 28th May

bau

Memorial Day weekend here, but may not be a problem

the 28th, I mean

okay, bank holiday weekend for me too, but no issues

thanks for everyone's time today, next meeting in 3 weeks, same bat time, same bat channel

bye then!

cu

bye rsx11m

here :)

semi here

IanN_Away: Character Palette functionality is back. Nightlytt (which is personalized directly via about:config) doesn't see the following AFAICT: nightly.templates.buildid = «UA:"${UserAgent}" ID:${AppBuildID}${Flags} ${Locale} c-c:${Changeset} m-c:${PlatformChangeset}» (without the «» which I use as unambiguous quotes), nightly.templates.title = «${TabTitle} - ${BrandName} ${Version}/${Platf

ormVe

rsion} (${AppBuildID}/${Locale}) ${TabsCount}T» (same remark).

tonymec|away: for nightlyTT I used the latest legacy which I think was 3.10 whereas your add-on may have been earlier, perhaps there are additional things broken with 3.10

my earlier version may have been a custom version by xsabolcs with a couple more ${} variables than the standard version but AFAICT I forgot to back it up before installing yours.

:(

yes what I have now calls itself 3.10

szabolcs instead of xsabolcs?

ah both :)

${Flags} doesn't seem to be listed

tonymec|away: I can build out of beta instead of legacy of your prefer

tonymec|away: I can build out of beta instead of legacy if you prefer

tonymec|away: that says 3.9pre20160829

IanN_Away: don't rush. At addons.mozilla.org I see only a WebExt version. At addons.thunderbird.net I see a "nightly tester tools lite" (thus a different extension) advertised with the functionalities I want but labeled "for Thunderbird". I'll download it and see if it has a "toolkit" version mentioned in its code.

tonymec|away: uploaded in the same place as the others...

IanN_Away: No juice. Let's have a look at that thinned-down extension I noticed.

IanN_Away: I found it back: nightly_tester_tools-3.11-sm+tb.xpi -- shall I try to send it to you by DCC (if I find how)?

hm. nttlite says in its install.rdf: "Fx 1.5 to 1.6, Tb 1.5 to 1.6, Flock 1.0+ to 1.0+". No Toolkit section. Seems to me hopelessly outdated.

wow, Flock

haven't heard that name in at least one decade

tomman: not to mention versions 1.5 and 1.6 of Fx+Tb

IanN_Away: P.S. Its install.rdf says: Fx+Tb+Tk 39.0 to 56.0, Sm 2.38 to 2.53.

^-- NTT 3.11 I mean

P.P.S. 77344 bytes zip-packed with a date in 2017.

IanN_Away: Ohhh! Reinstalled ntt 3.11 and now it works! No idea what had gone wrong but you may use it as-is if you want. For customization details, see wiki.mozilla.org/QA/Automation/Projects/Addons/NightlyTesterTools or Tools→Nightly Tester Tools→Customize Titlebar.

tonymec|away: any idea where it was generated from?

IanN_Away: IIRC it was a custom build by xabolcs including a couple of variables that I used and he and hskupin didn't.

IanN_Away: if you fear malware, there isn't any more of it than in the mainstream builds, it was built by the same people.

tonymec|away: just interested to look at the source of it

IIRC the source may be at some old changeset of xsabolcs's github repository for nightlytt, a little earlier than the Last Change Date of 2017-08-19

IanN_Away: or is it xabolcs? I never remember the spelling of that nick.

Full name Szabolcs Hubai but his github account is (was?) under his nick.

Maybe there is (was?) a separate branch on that repo for this custom build.

tonymec|away: github.com/xabolcs/nightlytt

IanN_Away: yeah, that's it.

IanN_Away: it _might_ be github.com/xabolcs/nightlytt/tree/branch-issue-129-platform-changeset but I'm not sure. The date is right and so is my recollection of the contents.

IanN_Away: No that isn't it, the install.rdf is different.

tonymec|away: github.com/xabolcs/nightlytt/tree/b…anch-issue-215-suite-cu-not-defined is closer, but I don't think that is it either

tonymec|away: mozilla/nightlytt 9cc8d6e has the correct install.rdf apart from it is 3.10 not 3.11

IanN_Away: no, I must have been mistaken, the latest one before WebExt is 3.10 and this is 3.11. Maybe I was sent a diff when I still had a clone of that repo but since then I've scrapped it.

Or maybe it was a merge of some changes from issue-129-platform-changeset with this 3.10 release. My memory is hazy.

tonymec|away: i'll see if I can track down the changeset

tonymec|away: i've uploaded a tweaked version for you to test

IanN_Away: Apparently hskupin also scrapped his nightlytt clone, that was my next guess.

IanN_Away: ok, let's restart and see.

IanN_Away: Bingo!

tonymec|away: great