why not migrate the core feature of their software to run a less dumb browser engine? like goanna?

if they up the support to win 10, some games on their platform would break cos dont suport win 10?

april fools joke?

did they wake up one day and forget to use their brains ?

did they check that some games dont even support windows 10 and higher???

it's Valve

all they care is about filling pools of cash for Uncle Gaben, and keep cancelling Half-Life 3

also they assume people don't like to play old niche games

what is half life again?

gave up on that game

OK, Portal 3 :P

lol

own portal 1 & 2 but only played 1

even HL1 & 2 only played 1

should i play 2?

franstam: this can border the idiotic if the component pushing this is Steam itself: do they *really* need something chrome-ium in there, and does it really need to be such that it won't support NT 6.1? not even some plan to cater for such devices?

it sounds like a too big of a restriction to put on Steam, if you ask me, but I don't think Valve asked me :-)

njsg, i guess valve went with a chromium engine in their software when nt 6.1 support dropping was nowhere in sight

franstam: indeed Steam switched to CEF (Chrome Embedded Framework) circa 2013 or so, not a new change (before that they used IE on Wundows, and some Webkit thing under Mac/early Linux releases)

but was that just so that people could browse steam webpages from steam or is it really used for the game management UI and features?

the entire UI is a webapp these days

it's closer to Electron than you would think

(parts of the UI still use Valve's inhouse toolkit, but most of the UI is webshat since 2017 or so)

yes we now have weird ui bugs like right click friends list not working when friends list is not wide enough

like what kind of bullshit bug is that????

>Microsoft Server Operating System but NOT Windows Setup.

they are positioning windows server to survive when windows client doesn't even have local install media anymore

subtle conditioning to disassociate server from windows

ain't like microsoft hasn't been repeatedly failing to do that since windows 8.. wonder if everyone is fed up by now to just let microsoft have their way and reduce win32 to a wine-level layer at best

Personally, I've felt for quite some time that Microsoft should just open source WinXP Pro 32 and 64 along with DirectX, and then also make a WINE style portable API for *nix. Then, continue to develop Office for that API and make it available for everything as a compiled perpetual license like they used to...

they can't

they can open source PARTS

Beyond that, they could have a certification system for games and applications that earned a tiny bit of revenue for each piece of commercial software sold.

it has to do with patents and contracts and IP

and shit

they COULD open source the pre-IE NT 4 port of the chicago cabinate shell

aka orginal Windows Explorer

Well, DEC no longer exists to claim their VMS IP, the BSD TCP/IP stack is already opensource, the patents that IBM had on parts of NT are long expired, and SpyGlass's IP rights are also long expired.

of course they'd give us the asciifucked 9x version i bet

the real problem are companies that no longer exist and the rights are either unknown or hostile

but realisticly the NT4 source is ripe for open sourcing cause a lot of that code done in-house has been replaced by purchased or unrelated code

especially the shell

eh, Microsoft has the money to spend.

bribe all the people.

In the end, I just feel this would be a far more profitable path for them.

No one cares about an OS except for nerdy folks like myself. Everyone cares about applications.

not like everyone doesn't already HAVE the source code at this point.. we just are waiting for microsoft to either go bankrupt and hope the assets aren't aquired by google or the like.. or for microsoft to say what code is ok to be relicensed

Win32 is the single stable API that exists at this point on any OS. Linux is changing constantly, macOS is changing constantly, Windows is doing dumb stuff that everyone hates constantly...

But, win32 is stable.

Microsoft won't open source large parts of NT5x especially xp and later because THAT can still be used viably see the MSFN people

win32 hasn't been stable since Windows 7 my friend

that's the point

Microsoft wants NT and win32 dead

that is why the NT kernel is being reconditioned to run hypervisors only and nt subsystems are deemed not viable cause of modern microsoft's inability to make wsl1 work properly

basically IN EFFECT

the nt kernel is dos and win32 is win16

for ALL intents and purposes and in terms of future prospects

there are NONE

Windows.. is a dead platform

Microsoft Service OS might not be but windows outside LTSC 2019 won't exist by the time it EOLs

EVERYTHING has been positioned this way

and it feels so artifical and so spiteful and petty

because we could decide if the new shit is any good if we were allowed to keep our old shit without hinderance.. but no we aren't it isn't a choice it is by force and the very notion of even questioning it is as bad as calling people racist names at this point.. it is disgusting

Windows is a means to a service it is no longer a product in its own right tho they will gladly take your money anyway.. and doesn't ACTUALLY matter.. to be slice diced mutated trashed abandoned and pissed on along the way

JUST

LIKE

MOZILLA

hi xuochi sorry for the sudden heavy load but damn if others were half as passionate about it as I try to be i wouldn't HAVE to

lol

well, Microsoft is definitely doing their right best to destroy Windows whether or not it's their stated goal

I just feel that developing an operating system is expensive and wasteful. They'd be better off to just develop languages, applications, and the like

like Mozilla creating rust

lol

the thing is.. why does everyone think trying to literally change everything while trying to produce a working product is a good idea

we have had over a decade of proof it ain't

no one can do it because it was stupid to change everything for it in the first place

regardless of if the specific thing is driven by some communist agenda or if the person is or believes in communism one UNESCAPABLE FACT REMAINS that classic communist tactics ARE the operating rules we are under .. radical revolution, purgings, changing everything in stupid ways and maintaining the obvious falsehood that you can have a stable system while nothing that makes up it is stable and is constantly changed out or refactored

and that methodoly even in isolation from ideology has ALSO been proven historically to be stupid as fuck

so i don't even know what is going on anymore xuochi

well, change for the sake of change is bad, but some changes are a good thing. For example, changes in the Linux kernel scheduler have been a good thing. However, I think that things like: "rewrite it in rust" are stupid because there are more mistakes than just memory that can be made, will be made, and to think that one will write perfect software is hubris.

As such, it's far better to simply patch and stabilize what is in front of you 99% of the time.

The only time a full rewrite is in order is if you plan to do something radically different.

xuochi: look at Mozilla for how shit will go wrong everywhere before you realize it

they mapped out a plan for self destruction

This is what angers me about things like Windows. Right when Microsoft got XP to be stable and trusted, it was time to make Vista. Right when Vista's launch issues were corrected, it was time for 7, and so on.

if i actually believed any remaining netscape employee still THOUGHT like a netscape employee i'd call it the best long term troll job back at microsoft and compeditors EVER by destroying them selves and calling it modern and liberal they are getting everyone who crushed netscape to do the same

but we don't live in a universe where terrible things can have a constructive purpose

we live in a universe where petty crualty is its own reward

Well to be fair.. Windows 7 WAS the corRected Vista ie vista that had more than 2 years of development when you radically rearchitect the internals because expanding them already collapsed because webapps and nt kernel are not entirely compatible concepts.. which today is why it must be killed even if no part can be further abused to serve the future bs

AND luckily because everyone is obsessed with feelings and people don't like negative ones.. observations like that don't really get the attention it deserves anymore

so surely it isn't a problem right?

didn't show up in the telemetry!

"Windows Vista" was in development for five years..

but three years of that was Longhorn

where they shoved everything ever at windows and it fell down

VISTA

NT 6.0.6000

that Vista

was only in development for two years

AND because of longhorn and vista and the shitty handling of OEMs by the time Vista worked no OEMs really had shit ready PLUS add the "Vista Capable" shit on top with old ass XP machines loaded with an OS so advanced it is only now that no one has a choice that they can retard it for everyone

by SP1 Vista was largely stable

xuochi: win32 isn't stable, win32 at least used to - I think - not be that hostile to older systems? and more backwards-compatible than javascript?

by SP2 it was nearly eq to Windows 7 rtm save memory model and a few other tidbits..

win32 has in prior to windows 10 and especially 1809 and earlier had EXCEPTIONAL compatibility

i still run a few NT 4 utilities

even a win2k beta util that was later folded into shell32

works perfectly

xuochi: microsoft is already putting Office as something that's multi-platform. Only it's not Win32 what they're using as a portable api, but google chrome

well, at least parts of office

I use Paint Shop Pro 11 which works perfectly on windows XP through 1809 but starts fucking up on newer builds (also does dwm no matter the graphics driver/card on this system)

actually it works on win2k too but i think i had to fudge windows installer

update

to do it

still

fact is.. win32 up till a few years ago maintained exceptional second to none backwards compatibility

it was the only thing no one ever disagreed that microsoft did right.. UP UNTIL the old and insecure fuckheads leading to this modern web everything

meanwhile javascript redefines the defaults of fetch() so that docs now say it sends credentials and manages to break websites

You know when people LAST questioned backwards compatibility going away? The Playstation 3

not python 3?

and in the end Sony did whatever they wanted

or python 2

previous backwards compatibility going away during a product's lifetime

features at launch stripped away later

forced service updates or banning

so... SeaMonkey 2.53 for Windows Me when? :D

SONY proved it would be viable AND not enough would resist

and with the iphone of course everyone realized these people be stupid .. we can tell them anything

and they were right largely

and it is so disheartening

ah, the PS3

"It Only Does Everything™"

...including losing your personal data to Best Korean "hackers"

well microsoft's new scheme to combat people locking your data and holding you hostage is for THEM to lock your data and hold you hostage

wannacry to OneCore

i still wanna cry

tho

or CorePC

whatever core they are pissing into this week

tomman: you know from W that the internet is a series of tubes

what happens when you shut down all the other tubes

and then shove everything through ONE tube

the tube will get backed up

you get Elon Musk?

burst

and all the CLOOOOOOOUD will escape