16:16:17 <hyc> I'm really starting to miss LDAP roaming profiles. now that I move frequently from phone to laptop to tvbox
16:16:47 <hyc> and I don't want to sync my account to some random cloud server. I want to sync to my own LDAP server
20:02:36 <Loglandia[m]> <IsambardPrince> "Not viewing ads, JS, autoplay..." <- "No JS" - it's good.
20:03:15 <IsambardPrince> The GULAGWEB browsers (Chrome and Firefox) don't want you touching their f****ing mess.
20:03:25 <IsambardPrince> It's how GULAG makes money, so of course you're not allowed.
20:04:49 <Loglandia[m]> <tomman> "and Google is one" <- If you want to break the plans of corporation you should do a mirrored steps. Right now Google wants to force users to install Windows 10 and 11 instead 7, 8, 8.1.
20:06:51 <Loglandia[m]> IsambardPrince: I'm the one of who want to kick Google's garbage outside.
20:07:06 <Loglandia[m]> The first of them is Electron.
20:08:14 <Loglandia[m]> Because any software based on Electron is js crap.
20:10:10 <tomman> well, Steam is dropping Windows 7/8.x support for next year because of embedded Chrome, so...
20:10:26 <tomman> fun fact: Steam still sells games that have compatibility problems with Win10+
20:10:34 <tomman> (let's pretend Windows 8 never existed, thanks)
20:10:39 <xuochi> no problems on Linux tho :-)
20:11:01 <xuochi> I can run stuff from win9x through win11 via proton... so... that's cool.
20:11:05 <IsambardPrince> It's just been Vista with another layer of crap for a while now.
20:11:19 <tomman> xuochi: depends, many Japanese games are quite stingy under Wine/Proton
20:11:29 <tomman> but then, many Japanese games BARELY run on standard Windows PCs :D
20:11:48 <IsambardPrince> This time they arbitrarily decided that if you don't have a sufficient level of NSA in your computer (TPM) you can't run their latest pile of crap, and then they made unofficial exceptions for Windows 10 systems that haven't died yet, because nobody is using 11.
20:12:18 <tomman> don't forget the KGB and the CCP :)
20:12:30 <IsambardPrince> I decided to see how 11 would run on my older laptop that came with 10 (A Skylake Core i7 16 GB RAM) and it just introduces a lot more jank.
20:12:35 <IsambardPrince> It's quite a lot slower.
20:12:39 <tomman> ...especially the CCP, since your TPM is Made In China, of course
20:12:56 <IsambardPrince> New computers just simply hide that because the bloat is not as apparent when Intel wastes all that energy keeping Windows running at all.
20:13:05 <tomman> nah, I opted out of Windows years ago, since the Windows 8 debacle
20:13:27 <tomman> the year of Linux in the Desktop™ happened for me in the late '00s anyway
20:13:47 <tomman> the new problem is the web browser as the next OS
20:14:00 <tomman> and for that, I have no clear solutions other than banning Silicon Valley
20:51:41 <xuochi> tomman: that is a big problem, yes. software that is less performant, and less feature rich, while essentially being more bloated due to being written in JS frameworks running on Chrome...
20:51:55 <xuochi> also being SaaS instead of a single perpetual license and/or open source.
20:52:19 <tomman> "butbutbut you can go from zero to app in no time! Also developer time is more expensive than a new top-of-the-line Mac!"
20:52:29 <xuochi> At least I have still have Netscape's suite via Seamonkey :-)
20:53:36 <xuochi> Every complaint like that that I hear sounds like this: "I am not a great developer but I want that salary, and therefore..."
20:54:41 <xuochi> Naturally, if developers were given clear expectations and a realistic timeline things would be quite a bit easier, but that isn't the case in the current market.
20:58:31 <Loglandia[m]> <tomman> "the year of Linux in the Desktop..." <- When Windows user will be eaten by Google, they will start to eat GNU.
20:59:03 <xuochi> eh, Linux itself is being eaten by IBM and Microsoft
20:59:40 <tomman> Windows is old news anyway
20:59:50 <tomman> the new enemies of computing are Google and Apple
21:00:08 <tomman> let Microsoft rest in pieces, they're now an also-ran these days
21:00:23 <tomman> (Windows 11 is a fine example of that, trying to badly copy MacOS)
21:00:26 <xuochi> Microsoft is (if I remember right) the largest part of the Linux Foundation, they hired Poettering away from Red Hat, and Red Hat which sponsors ... well, everything, is now IBM.
21:01:39 <tomman> "nobody ever get fired from buying IBM"
21:01:41 <Loglandia[m]> Windows 11 requires MS account to be installed.
21:01:50 <tomman> what does even IBM produces these days? Blockchain machines? :D
21:06:54 <xuochi> Nah. They still sell their mainframes, they produce the POWER CPUs, and they are the effectively the semiconductor research firm; licensing patents to others like TSMC and Intel while working closely with ASML.
21:08:45 <xuochi> They also do cloud compute for the truly massive organizations out there like commercial banks, stock/commodity exchanges, central banks, governments, militaries, and the like
21:09:16 <xuochi> They also do some work with oil companies and mining companies, NASA, ESA, and so on
21:09:51 <xuochi> AWS has started taking some of those markets as well, but IBM is still the leader there largely due to the longevity of agreements that IBM can make and others cannot.
21:10:45 <xuochi> It helps that they also have some of the best R&D out there. IBM got to 2NM fabrication long before anyone else did, but rather than build out there own 2NM fabs, they just licensed the tech.
21:12:38 <tomman> mainframes!? are we still in 1973?! :D
21:12:57 <tomman> I thought POWER was largely dead these days, to the point that they started opensourcing the ISA
21:13:28 <xuochi> well, they're not the mainframes of old. the new ones have things like shared-distributed L2 and L3 cache, allowing potentially gigabytes of CPU cache with massive numbers of cores
21:13:39 <tomman> banks, yeah, I still see "(C) 1995 LICENSED AND RESTRICTED MATERIALS OF IBM" on some of their internal apps
21:14:12 <tomman> I do miss the IBM that made stuff you could buy
21:14:19 <tomman> like keyboards and ThinkPads
21:15:02 <xuochi> The newer IBM mainframes do, however, still contain VMs that can run stuff from like... IBM System 360 mainframes, and they still run COBOL if you need it.
21:15:56 <xuochi> While most people do not need it, those who do will pay because the IBM mainframes are essentially 50 to 60% the power of a supercomputer at a tiny fraction of the cost.
21:16:24 <tomman> I'll take COBOL over JavaScript any day of the week, even though I have very bad memories from my semester with COBOL at college
21:16:29 <xuochi> and yeah, I do miss old IBM. Nothing beats the early IBM PC/XT/AT or the early ThinkPads.