02:37:17 <tomman> wait, release happened when'
02:37:19 <tomman> ?
06:54:03 <njsg> is guest8910 around under some other nick?
14:27:39 <SeaMonkey_e_V> Press release.
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14:57:17 <gaston> having pretty bad crashes with 2.53.16 that didnt happen with 2.53.15, loading seamonkey-project.org is enough to trigger it .. http://pastebitch.com/WLLY
14:57:44 <gaston> does it ring a bell to anyone ? i've perused the commits between .15 and .16 and havent spotted anything obvious
14:57:52 <gaston> that's on openbsd trying to update the port
15:16:36 <gaston> i think it crashes as soon as it hits some js
15:16:51 <gaston> because viewing some plain html pages doesnt crash
15:28:24 <tomman> 2.53.16 on board
15:28:39 <tomman> Flashblocks still survives... maimed, but it still blocks videos~
15:29:23 <tomman> pdf.js works
15:29:28 <tomman> ...unfortunately Redirector died
15:29:38 <tomman> let's figure out why
15:30:39 <tomman> settings page do load, but all my rules are missing
15:30:54 <tomman> none of the buttons do anything
15:31:26 <tomman> Error: TypeError: Cc[className] is undefined
15:31:27 <tomman> Archivo fuente: chrome://redirector/content/js/xpcom.js
15:31:29 <tomman> Línea: 18
15:31:55 <tomman> where Cc = Components.classes;
15:32:09 <tomman> wonder what broke in return Cc[className].getService(Ci[interfaceName]); then
15:35:27 <tomman> time to switch to Ye Olde Dell
15:46:06 <tomman> got a warning about a deprecated for-each loop too
15:52:32 <njsg> what version of redirector? Is that the same extension (Well, an older release, I suppose?) at https://github.com/einaregilsson/Redirector ?
15:56:55 <tomman> njsg: it was the patched version of 2.9.3 (the last one compatible with XUL browsers?) I'm using
15:57:08 <tomman> "The Components object is deprecated and will be removed soon"
15:57:28 <tomman> what is the replacement then?
15:57:49 <tomman> Components.interfaces do work, but Components.classes return null
15:59:46 <tomman> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799961 yeah, a 11 year old bug ticket is hardly useful
16:03:03 <tomman> wait, Flashblock also uses Components.classes, but that DOES work
16:07:27 <tomman> of course the documentation on the Components object is gone, yay Mozilla
16:11:42 <tomman> so close, yet so far...
16:19:12 <tomman> only Redirector is failing, and with this error that should have killed all my addons
16:19:30 <tomman> tried on my other setup with all addons disabled, then reenabled Redirector: same issue
16:19:55 <printed__> hi! I'm using OpenSUSE with the codecs from opi and I'm trying to open videos in seamonkey, but youtube crashes and frontends for it give me media format errors
16:20:03 <printed__> is there a fix?
16:20:37 <tomman> printed__: what version of SeaMonkey?
16:20:51 <tomman> IIRC SeaMonkey brings its own codecs, but I'm not 100% sure
16:21:14 <printed__> 2.53.15
16:21:25 <printed__> from the OpenSUSE repository
16:23:09 <tomman> do they repack the upstream release, or are those distro-specific builds?
16:23:14 <frg_Away> printed__ check if it has been compiled with rust 1.67.1. If yes use the official version until thex fix it or 2.53.16 appears.
16:24:28 <printed__> the official version also has the same issue
16:25:27 <IsambardPrince> It's kind of hard to test pre-release versions of SeaMonkey for bugs on Linux.
16:25:30 <IsambardPrince> At least Fedora.
16:25:43 <printed__> oh wow it works now that I removed my ~/.mozilla folder
16:25:45 <IsambardPrince> If you want to, you have to know to go grab a tarball and bother to do it.
16:25:50 <printed__> sorry for wasting your time
16:25:53 <printed__> D:
16:25:56 <IsambardPrince> And it won't have the same patch series as Fedora's will.
16:26:27 <printed__> so yep it's an issue with the seamonkey version provided by the opensuse repo
16:26:46 <printed__> if I open the opensuse one again it'll crash again
16:27:04 <tomman> printed__: what you did was to clear your profile
16:27:17 <printed__> I just deleted the .mozilla folder
16:27:22 <printed__> yes
16:27:49 <frg_Away> check about:buildconfig. If it prints rust 1.67.0 or higher 2.53.15 is broken.
16:29:58 <printed__> yep
16:30:06 <printed__> "/usr/bin/rustc 	1.68.0"
16:31:29 <frg_Away> Worked around in 2.53.16 and fixed in 2.53.17b1pre+
16:33:34 <printed__> alright, thanks
16:34:25 <tomman> https://paste.debian.net/1276015/ the offending file for Redirector
16:34:58 <tomman> if I try to use Components.classes on a console, I do get two errors: one saying that Components is deprecated, and another that says that Components.classes is undefined
16:35:14 <tomman> but then, apparently Components.classes isn't supposed to be accessible everywhere?
16:35:19 <tomman> I'm running out of clues here
16:35:23 <frg_Away> tomman var LocaleService = Service("@mozilla.org/intl/nslocaleservice;1", "nsILocaleService");
16:35:25 <frg_Away> nsILocaleService is gone
16:35:49 <frg_Away> and/or nsIStringBundleService
16:37:18 <frg_Away> nsIStringBundleService is still there
16:37:39 <gaston> frg_Away: any luck getting something from such a crash trace ? http://pastebitch.com/WLLY doesnt happen with .15; happens with .16 opening seamonkey-project.org
16:37:48 <tomman> frg_Away: oh, so it was a red herring (again, I'm not well versed in addon dev)
16:38:00 <frg_Away> tomman Bug 1356263
16:38:05 <tomman> what's the replacement for nsILocaleService then? (Redirector uses that for its UI)
16:39:02 <frg_Away> gaston it looks like Bug 1448189 but this is in for ages. Which compiler?
16:39:09 <gaston> clang 13
16:39:41 <gaston> with the same toolchain .15 runs fine
16:40:31 <printed__> is there a difference between the seamonkey and seamonkey-bin binaries that are in the tarball?
16:41:36 <tomman> frg_Away: I commented out the LocaleService definition, and indeed that's the culprit
16:42:11 <tomman> was already going insane with the "Components.classes is undefined", but then I'm not supposed to debug addon code from a dev console :D
16:43:12 <frg_Away> tomman yeah we should probably better document what removals are backported but needs time and ... well you know sigh.
16:43:19 <tomman> Redirector only has an English UI anyway
16:43:37 <tomman> frg_Away: that should also serve me as a lesson to actually try the betas! :D
16:44:42 <tomman> https://udn.realityripple.com/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XPCOM/Reference/Interface/nsIStringBundleService
16:44:59 <tomman> apparently I could get away by just... killing it (and remove the extra param to createBundle)
16:45:06 <tomman> OK, lemme try that
16:48:09 <tomman> ...yep, that worked!
16:48:36 <tomman> (it fallbacks to en-US anyway, which is the only bundled locale)
16:48:51 <tomman> frg_Away: thanks for pointing me to the correct direction~
16:50:16 <frg_Away> gaston sorry don't have an answer. Don't know FreeBSD. I will check if I can put later skia code in 2.53.17 in case this is the problem.
16:59:17 <tomman> Hmmm, Redirector only broke away with XUL starting with 3.1.0 - 3.0.6 should be "safe" to use on our browsers
16:59:19 <tomman> will try it
17:00:16 <tomman> also, the original, unmodified 2.9.3 is archived here: https://github.com/tablesmit/firefox-extension-shrink/blob/master/redirector-2.9.3-fx.xpi
17:00:40 <tomman> (SHA256SUM is d2869e4b72c9b95dbc3a927c265db3cdd648c5136f47a93923c36df258fbe465, which matches the one at http://web.archive.org/web/20180730224356/https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/redirector/versions/ )
17:01:10 <tomman> it's a rainy day outside, so what the hell, I'm going to tinker with more addons today
17:14:05 <IsambardPrince> Clang is probably one of the most unfortunate things to ever happen. Not only does it fake compatibility with enhanced security hardening features of GCC, Clang binaries also tend to cause debuggers to crash and offer to debug themselves.
17:15:40 <IsambardPrince> Which is terrific considering you didn't set out to debug the debugger, it's probably not the debugger's fault, and even if you agree to continue it'll probably spew things so confusing you don't know what happened, where, or in the program or the debugger, then crash again and offer to debug that.
17:15:46 <IsambardPrince> So naturally Mozilla went there.
17:25:04 <gaston> frg_Away: that's openbsd but i doubt it can be os-specific
17:25:45 <frg_Away> gaston a sorry you are right.
17:26:05 <gaston> that's strange because using 2.53.15 i cant crash it
17:27:20 <frg_Away> gaston lots of new stuff in 2.53.16 so it might need a fix which was omitted. Happens now and the with thy myriad Linux distributions and nix derivates unfortunately. Usually just need to track down the right mozilla fix.
17:28:45 <gaston> frg_Away: i'll have a look at the git log but i didnt see anything obvjous in https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-2.53-comm/-/commits/2_53_16_final
17:30:14 <WG9s> gaston: does it crash using latest 2.53.17b1pre build from here https://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ ?
17:30:57 <WG9s> might be somethig we neglected to include in th 2.53.16 final that is already known fi
17:31:04 <gaston> WG9s: you dont provide builds for openbsd ;)
17:31:24 <gaston> but if you have an idea of a possible commit i can backport or cherrypick any patch you can throw at me
17:32:07 <njsg> there are also source tarballs for b1pre, right? (in case that is helpful)
17:32:37 <WG9s> oh there is source at https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-253-source/ if you have the facility to build your own.
17:36:46 <gaston> will try that one :)
17:42:15 <gaston> mozbuild.configure.options.InvalidOptionError: Unknown option: --with-system-hunspell
17:42:18 <gaston> some options were dropped recently ?
17:42:51 <gaston> i dont have issues with that option in .16
17:50:22 <WG9s> hmm i ahve no idea.  I am really only they guy who does nightly builds of latest 2.53.17b1pre adn drops the latest source.  I am not involved in most of the changes as to what support is being dropped etc.
17:52:32 <gaston> guess i'll look at git log -p between that last tags
20:50:06 <IsambardPrince> <frg_Away> gaston lots of new stuff in 2.53.16 so it might need a fix which was omitted. Happens now and the with thy myriad Linux distributions and nix derivates unfortunately. Usually just need to track down the right mozilla fix.
20:50:22 <IsambardPrince> The release notes didn't mention anything really big going on.
20:52:04 <frg_Away> IsambardPrince there are usually a 1000 to 2000 backports in these releases. Mostly small stuff which adds up.
20:52:53 <frg_Away> --with-system-hunspell is no longer supported. Need to add a missing patch. Webex dictionary support broke it and was removed from Firefox becuase of it.
20:54:15 <frg_Away> Bug 1820413
21:38:34 <frg_Away> Hi CaptainTobin
22:07:12 <CaptainTobin> hi frg_Away
22:07:34 <CaptainTobin> what can I do for you dude
22:08:18 <frg_Away> CaptainTobin nothing. Just said hi :)
22:08:39 <CaptainTobin> ah good to talk to you again with my files safe and secure and my new storage drives
22:08:46 <CaptainTobin> including an nvme for the OS
22:09:20 <CaptainTobin> i spent this week AGAIN transfering files from drive to drive to drive
22:09:22 <CaptainTobin> heh
22:09:31 <CaptainTobin> I got too much shit
22:09:50 <frg_Away> CaptainTobin yes prices for flash are falling like a stone. Even 4TB SSDs are somewhat cheap now.
22:11:50 <frg_Away> Still use sata for system. I hate gpt partitions for the OS.
22:21:16 <tomman> HELP
22:21:18 <tomman> send SSDs now!
22:28:03 <tomman> huh, are dictionaries broken?
22:28:26 <tomman> I can rightclick on an empty edit box and select language
22:29:01 <tomman> what I can't do anymore is to right-click on a spelling error: the context menu comes up without suggestions, and the language lists on it is suspiciously empty
22:29:11 <frg_Away> tomman not the last time I tested.
22:30:12 <frg_Away> But only tested mail.
22:30:57 <tomman> OK, it actually works on Browser too
22:31:05 <tomman> however it seems to be broken on Chatzilla
22:31:19 <tomman> wow, I can't even disable "Check Spelling"
22:32:05 <tomman> Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIInlineSpellChecker.getMisspelledWord]
22:32:06 <tomman> Archivo fuente: resource://gre/modules/InlineSpellChecker.jsm
22:32:23 <tomman> found a few of those on the error console
22:33:57 <frg_Away> tomman works here for me in CZ.
22:34:06 <tomman> I'll try a restart then
22:36:34 <tomman> ...it works again
22:36:46 <tomman> chalk one to cosmic radiation, again
22:37:30 <frg_Away> tomman you have the bundled cZ ? 0.16 in case of 2.53.16.
22:38:04 <tomman> it's 0.16 indeed, I'm not using any separate addon (if it still exists)
22:38:39 <frg_Away> should be uninstalled then during start but does not always work.
22:39:05 <frg_Away> just checked with a webext dictionary and laguage switching worked too.
22:39:52 <frg_Away> but won't rule ot a hickup or two. Brittle stuff and many backports were needed.