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hardys
frg_away: the wg9s x64 build from 25/03/2023 does only work in save mode
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hardys
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frg_Away
hardys add user_pref("browser.tabs.remote.autostart", false); to your prefs.js. Will be fixed in the next build.
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IsambardPrince
It seems that unfortunately, SeaMonkey in Fedora is built with Clang/LLVM and does not benefit from the systemwide change to Fortify Source level 3 in GCC that landed in Fedora 38.
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IsambardPrince
I wonder if that would be disruptive enough to go ahead and cause a lot of breakage.
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WG9s
frg_Away: not sure what the deal is with that crash report from
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frg_Away
WG9s not much. Wonder why it did work in a vm.
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tomman
mrbruh.com/dismantling_malware_operation wtf, first site I see in the wild using AVIF images
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tomman
why the AVIFs, guys?!
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frg_Away
because it the best new sh*t before the next best new sh*t
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tomman
and I thought the meme era of WebM was over...
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tomman
also, a "security researcher" using AVIFs on his site to disclose some case is one of the things that leads me to distrust them
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frg_Away
tomman the era of poeple building and mantaining something is gone. The era of reinventing the wheel and bragging about how great you do is in. In software it is now called reducing your technical dept.
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tomman
remember the era when security flaws didn't required name-and-logo brands? :D
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tomman
(basically I interpret those as "Google, hire me! HIREEEEE MEEEE!!!")
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WG9s
hardys: new build in progress with timestamp of Mar 26 11:30
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hardys
WG9s: thanks, will report back
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WG9s
frg_Away: did the fix I am just doing eraly builds to include it.
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WG9s
hardys: but you are welcome. glad we could help so quickly
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WG9s
mhy windows build machine is old and slow, so far linux 643-bit builds are done
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WG9s
64-bit
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WG9s
trying to type around my cat siting on my thing i put in to keep her from just sitting on the keyboard and having her own conversations.
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hardys
WG9s: as I test every build you provide I can report errors quick so it is easier to fix
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WG9s
If we only had MAC users doing that
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hardys
lazy people this apple folk ;)
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hardys
frg_Away: WG9s: all good with the new beta. Thanks to all
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WG9s
;-)
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frg_Away
wonder why this didn't fail in a vm.
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frg_Away
would have picked it up earlier then.
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Loglandia[m]
Hello.
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frg_Away
hello back
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Loglandia[m]
Is it much hard to support Windows XP?
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tomman
that ship has sailed :/
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tomman
sailed, sinked, rescued by a 737 Max, which crashed again
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tomman
(Disclaimer: I still use 2.49.5 on my XP retrolaptops)
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Loglandia[m]
* I don't need Seamonkey for XP, because it's old hardware.
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Loglandia[m]
What about newer versions of Seamonkey?
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tomman
IIRC so much has changed since 2.49.5 on the underlying Mozilla base that a backport is simply not viable anymore
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Loglandia[m]
What is IIRC?
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tomman
if I remember correctly
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frg_Away
2.49.5 is the last version for XP. There will be no later versions and restoring support is not possible.
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Loglandia[m]
Is not possible or "is not avaliable people to restore"?
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Loglandia[m]
How many money do you need to release a new version with Windows XP support?
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frg_Away
third party libraries removed support for xp. Compiler support is largely gone too. VS2017 could probably still be used. Not sure about later rust versions. It would be idiotic to try.
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tomman
let's do a Kickstarter
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tomman
dumber projects have been funded :D
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tomman
now seriously, the dependencies is enough reason to not get into that hell
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frg_Away
I wouldn't have taken it out otherwise.
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Loglandia[m]
10000$?
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Loglandia[m]
15000$?
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frg_Away
1.000.000 Billion $
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tomman
one whole Silicon Valley Bank, please
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IanN_Away
that was bought for £1
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IanN_Away
well the UK version of it
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tomman
if you want to buy a bank, now it's the time
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tomman
even Credit Suisse went for "only" <$4B
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tomman
Anyway, back to XP, it wouldn't be a problem of money, but of sheer complexity
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tomman
web browsers are really complex animals
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tomman
even their dependencies are often a jungle
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frg_Away
Anyway life is too short to do an xp backport. I won't do it for money.
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frg_Away
I plan to cling to 7 support.
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Loglandia[m]
Is will okay if I will write here about other browser, what was created for Windows XP? Maybe it will be helpfull.
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tomman
what, that Pale Moon fork?
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» tomman checks - Tobin is not here
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Loglandia[m]
ahahah
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Loglandia[m]
seems you know.
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Loglandia[m]
Mypal.
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tomman
yeah, and that one IIRC is based on some older Pale Moon release
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tomman
not on the current one
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tomman
so it's the same deal
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Loglandia[m]
What is library without Windows XP support?
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tomman
I'm not familiar with the build system of Mozilla products, but there are many components underlying
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tomman
so most likely it's not just "the one library" you fix/change
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tomman
as frg said, it's also matter of compilers, and that's delicate land too since the whole Mozilla build system is... touchy
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tomman
the largest dependency is Rust
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tomman
dunno how compatible is Rust with XP these days, but I guess the answer is "not at all"
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tomman
The other way would be backporting modern release patches to 2.49.5, but you would be basically redoing the changes up to the latest version, until you face the "no XP!" brick wall
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tomman
so yeah, not feasible
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tomman
it's like asking Microsoft to backport IE11 to Windows Me
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tomman
(hell, even IE6 relied on some XPisms that MS had to bring along to older Windows releases back when IE6 was new)
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frg_Away
I put VS2017 support in 2.49.5 and recently compiled a 2.49.6 so it still works. Thought about doing a Vista/XP64 build just for fun but life is too short. The VS2017 runtime seems to still work too. But everything else is mehhh.... libicu angle and probably a 100 other dependencies.
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frg_Away
Any donation should rather go to reactOS and help too. Only chance to rescue use for 11 and follow-up crap.
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frg_Away
^us from
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tomman
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frg_Away
nope.
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tomman
aw :/
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Loglandia[m]
What about 10 C/C++ developers?
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Loglandia[m]
How many C/C++ developers do you need to code for Windows XP?
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Loglandia[m]
In fact, without detailed about reason to not create Seamonkey for Windows XP, I'm useless.
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IanN
Loglandia[m]: it is not just about backporting SeaMonkey code, as has been mentioned, it is also 3rd party libraries that would need things backporting
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Loglandia[m]
Because it's not devoplment then, it's divintion.
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Loglandia[m]
Where can I read about that libraries?
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Loglandia[m]
s/that/those/
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IanN
Loglandia[m]: start by looking under third_party/ in the repo
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Loglandia[m]
All of them?
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IanN
Loglandia[m]: yes
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Loglandia[m]
aom, dav1d, python ._. , rust, sqlite?
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Loglandia[m]
What is AOM?
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Loglandia[m]
AV1 codec?
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IanN
that's what the README says
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Loglandia[m]
Yeah, you will not build that for XP, because Googletest inside.
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IanN
that message arrived 12 minutes later on libera.chat compared to Matrix
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IsambardPrince
I haven't used Windows in 17 years.
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IsambardPrince
So I would hardly say ReactOS, which is never going to work, and is trying to reimplement stupidity even if it did, is our "only hope".
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Loglandia[m]
There is Python 3.8 for Windows XP.
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Loglandia[m]
It's surprised for me that Seamonkey is dependent software.
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tomman
Python is a dependency of the build system, not of the actual product
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tomman
but... that's just ONE piece of this big jigsaw
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tomman
(also Python is notorious for its subtle incompatibilities here and there)
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Loglandia[m]
It's good that you still use IRC. There is not Matrix clients for XP.
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Loglandia[m]
In fact no good Matrix client for Windows.
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Loglandia[m]
XMPP and Tox are well too and available for XP.
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GrannyGoose
dunno why one would use Matrix
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tomman
Matrix has no good clients IMO
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GrannyGoose
its less than shit IMO
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tomman
the reference one is Element... which is built over -yuck!- Electron
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tomman
and all other alternative clients fall flat on their faces because basically Element is the de-facto standard
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tomman
(All I wanted is a decent Pidgin plugin... can't even have that nowadays!)
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GrannyGoose
i think its IRC clients also, there aint that many if any good irc clients out there anymore
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tomman
eh, for me ChatZilla is Good Enough™
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tomman
but then I'm a dinosaur
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tomman
do not need emojis or media embeds, the two reasons kids love their Discords
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tomman
the only thing where cZ used to be lacking was on DCC file transfers, but I haven't done one of those since I stopped pirating GBA ROMs on EFnet... well over a decade ago :D
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tomman
or was anime in Rizon? Can't really remember now