00:48:14 <tomman> and now, Skyscrapper City forums are completely broken on SeaMonkey
00:48:33 <tomman> > TypeError: b is undefined core-compiled.js:2:10463
00:49:08 <tomman> their forums have been a little bit screwy in the last few weeks, but today the site fails to render properly - it now renders like someone stole the stylesheet
00:50:55 <tomman> > for(f in a)if(a.hasOwnProperty(f)&&(e[f]=a[f],b.hasOwnProperty(f)))
00:51:46 <tomman> that if condition seems to be... screwy
00:52:59 <tomman> I'm not sure if Google rewrote boolean logic while I was asleep, but I'm pretty much sure that's not a valid logic expression
00:53:14 <tomman> Anyway, that's parsing, it's whoever is "b" which is getting undefined
00:54:10 <tomman> sample forum: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/forums/aeroclub-venezuela.1166/
03:14:36 <GrannyGoose> tomman what was the link to that Forum? an have you tried other forums that use the same forum software
11:35:48 <tomman> GrannyGoose: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/forums/
11:35:56 <tomman> those use XenForo
11:36:31 <tomman> since forums are largely dead these days, I can't think on another forum with a similar setup (but I think I've seen a similar one recently elsewhere...)
11:36:41 <GrannyGoose> tomman thanks, i got 25315, dunno if you have it
11:37:36 <GrannyGoose> yep i can see, it dont render at all
11:40:51 <tomman> the JS errors are not the usual culprits (missing new JavaScript shinies from Chrome and friends), rather it's a unhelpful "b is undefined" somewhere
11:41:04 <GrannyGoose> if 25314 renders stay with it, i think the XFCE forum uses the same software
11:41:24 <tomman> this is on 2.53.14
11:41:34 <tomman> it rendered fine until two days ago
11:41:42 <tomman> they pushed an update and it's now all broken
11:42:29 <GrannyGoose> let me look at the XFCE forum wityh 25315
11:43:09 <tomman> that seems to be another platform, FluxBB
11:43:51 <tomman> https://xenforo.com/community/ XenForo official forums do render fine here...
11:45:03 <tomman> oh, found something
11:45:08 <tomman> https://www.avsforum.com/threads/realmagic-hollywood-plus.1130377/ this is also broken now
11:45:18 <tomman> they also run the same build of XenForo
11:45:40 <tomman> apparently those boards are run by these folks: https://www.verticalscope.com/
11:46:58 <tomman> https://www.techsupportforum.com/threads/intel-810e-ca810e-board.102720/ also broken in same fashion, same owner, same custom XenForo build
11:47:45 <tomman> so it seems whatever mods VerticalScope did to their XenForo build now break on non-Chrome/FF in a rather weird way
11:48:50 <tomman> these do render fine on FF91ESR
11:50:39 <tomman> and now that I recheck on FF91ESR, I can now notice that VerticalScope/XenForo forums were already breaking on our browsers in rather subtle ways
11:51:18 <tomman> for example prior to yesterdays major breakage, posts were rendering in a sort of simplified view (no info about poster, etc)
11:51:34 <tomman> but on FF91ESR it still renders in the usual, complete format
11:56:51 <tomman> wtf, speaking of broken forums
11:56:53 <GrannyGoose> wierd. my guess is 25316 wont be any better
11:57:04 <tomman> Pale Moon forums won't load here: SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP
11:57:41 <tomman> won't also load on FF91ESR!
11:57:45 <tomman> (same error)
11:58:47 <GrannyGoose> i just got a connection error to PM myself
11:58:53 <GrannyGoose> same as you
12:00:05 <tomman> time to fire up Wireshark and figure out what the hell is happening
12:01:25 <tomman> TLS connection is setup, SM asks for TLSv1.2
12:01:51 <GrannyGoose> have fun. i might tottle off to bed,
12:01:52 <tomman> PM server instead refuses with an Handshake Failure
12:05:11 <GrannyGoose> ok im off, have a good one
12:06:21 <tomman> the entire Pale Moon domain is broken due to that, might be a server issue?
12:07:22 <tomman> yup, must be a server issue, as it won't even load on my cellphone running latest FF Mobile
12:08:27 <tomman> https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ oh boy, dynamic imports just to enable a stupid textbox!
12:09:51 <tomman> https://isitdownorjust.me/palemoon-org/ this one works, but claims it's up?
12:11:19 <tomman> https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/ comes clear for the main domain, but confirms that the forums won't load
12:57:45 <frg_Away> tomman loads fine here. Maybe fixed
12:58:21 <tomman> frg_Away: now loads here too, most likely a server failure then
14:20:27 <WG9s> tomman: or an issue between your ISP network and the network that the palemoon servers live on.
14:21:26 <tomman> WG9s: that would explain the average "can't connect to this site", but their server was up, and rejecting SSL handshakes
14:21:48 <tomman> unless if it was some bizarro MITM attack...
14:21:55 <tomman> anything is possible, to be fair
14:22:23 <WG9s> OIC so more like an issue not connectivity related
14:22:43 <WG9s> you could connect but ssl handshake failed
14:58:12 <WG9s> tomman: that would make sense if you were using an at work account where they force you to use a proxy or if your ISP had you using a chaching proxy to try to boost performance.
15:19:49 <tomman> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=28995 wow, why in the hell a router management UI would require frickin' BigInt support!?
15:19:50 <tomman> WHY
15:20:25 <tomman> you can avoid visiting websites that require useless shinies, but when the shinies infect your FIRMWARE... well, that's an act of war
23:57:57 <CaptainTobin> i have a general question one person MIGHT know the answer to
23:58:37 <CaptainTobin> are ntfs junctions to ram drives actaully worth it io wise
23:58:48 <CaptainTobin> obviously in a mozcontext it would be for the objdir