libera #seamonkey

20 Jan 2023

Surfing the net has never been so suite | SeaMonkey Release: 2.53.19 | seamonkey-project.org/releases | This channel is logged at logbot.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey | SeaMonkey Nightly Archive archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly | c-c (OPEN ) , c-253 (APPROVAL ONLY)

• 00:48
  tomman
  and now, Skyscrapper City forums are completely broken on SeaMonkey
• 00:48
  tomman
  > TypeError: b is undefined core-compiled.js:2:10463
• 00:49
  tomman
  their forums have been a little bit screwy in the last few weeks, but today the site fails to render properly - it now renders like someone stole the stylesheet
• 00:50
  tomman
  > for(f in a)if(a.hasOwnProperty(f)&&(e[f]=a[f],b.hasOwnProperty(f)))
• 00:51
  tomman
  that if condition seems to be... screwy
• 00:52
  tomman
  I'm not sure if Google rewrote boolean logic while I was asleep, but I'm pretty much sure that's not a valid logic expression
• 00:53
  tomman
  Anyway, that's parsing, it's whoever is "b" which is getting undefined
• 00:54
  tomman
  sample forum: skyscrapercity.com/forums/aeroclub-venezuela.1166
• 03:14
  GrannyGoose
  tomman what was the link to that Forum? an have you tried other forums that use the same forum software
• 11:35
  tomman
  GrannyGoose: skyscrapercity.com/forums
• 11:35
  tomman
  those use XenForo
• 11:36
  tomman
  since forums are largely dead these days, I can't think on another forum with a similar setup (but I think I've seen a similar one recently elsewhere...)
• 11:36
  GrannyGoose
  tomman thanks, i got 25315, dunno if you have it
• 11:37
  GrannyGoose
  yep i can see, it dont render at all
• 11:40
  tomman
  the JS errors are not the usual culprits (missing new JavaScript shinies from Chrome and friends), rather it's a unhelpful "b is undefined" somewhere
• 11:41
  GrannyGoose
  if 25314 renders stay with it, i think the XFCE forum uses the same software
• 11:41
  tomman
  this is on 2.53.14
• 11:41
  tomman
  it rendered fine until two days ago
• 11:41
  tomman
  they pushed an update and it's now all broken
• 11:42
  GrannyGoose
  let me look at the XFCE forum wityh 25315
• 11:43
  tomman
  that seems to be another platform, FluxBB
• 11:43
  tomman
  xenforo.com/community XenForo official forums do render fine here...
• 11:45
  tomman
  oh, found something
• 11:45
  tomman
  avsforum.com/threads/realmagic-hollywood-plus.1130377 this is also broken now
• 11:45
  tomman
  they also run the same build of XenForo
• 11:45
  tomman
  apparently those boards are run by these folks: verticalscope.com
• 11:46
  tomman
  techsupportforum.com/threads/intel-810e-ca810e-board.102720 also broken in same fashion, same owner, same custom XenForo build
• 11:47
  tomman
  so it seems whatever mods VerticalScope did to their XenForo build now break on non-Chrome/FF in a rather weird way
• 11:48
  tomman
  these do render fine on FF91ESR
• 11:50
  tomman
  and now that I recheck on FF91ESR, I can now notice that VerticalScope/XenForo forums were already breaking on our browsers in rather subtle ways
• 11:51
  tomman
  for example prior to yesterdays major breakage, posts were rendering in a sort of simplified view (no info about poster, etc)
• 11:51
  tomman
  but on FF91ESR it still renders in the usual, complete format
• 11:56
  tomman
  wtf, speaking of broken forums
• 11:56
  GrannyGoose
  wierd. my guess is 25316 wont be any better
• 11:57
  tomman
  Pale Moon forums won't load here: SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP
• 11:57
  tomman
  won't also load on FF91ESR!
• 11:57
  tomman
  (same error)
• 11:58
  GrannyGoose
  i just got a connection error to PM myself
• 11:58
  GrannyGoose
  same as you
• 12:00
  tomman
  time to fire up Wireshark and figure out what the hell is happening
• 12:01
  tomman
  TLS connection is setup, SM asks for TLSv1.2
• 12:01
  GrannyGoose
  have fun. i might tottle off to bed,
• 12:01
  tomman
  PM server instead refuses with an Handshake Failure
• 12:05
  GrannyGoose
  ok im off, have a good one
• 12:06
  tomman
  the entire Pale Moon domain is broken due to that, might be a server issue?
• 12:07
  tomman
  yup, must be a server issue, as it won't even load on my cellphone running latest FF Mobile
• 12:08
  tomman
  downforeveryoneorjustme.com oh boy, dynamic imports just to enable a stupid textbox!
• 12:09
  tomman
  isitdownorjust.me/palemoon-org this one works, but claims it's up?
• 12:11
  tomman
  isitdownrightnow.com comes clear for the main domain, but confirms that the forums won't load
• 12:57
  frg_Away
  tomman loads fine here. Maybe fixed
• 12:58
  tomman
  frg_Away: now loads here too, most likely a server failure then
• 14:20
  WG9s
  tomman: or an issue between your ISP network and the network that the palemoon servers live on.
• 14:21
  tomman
  WG9s: that would explain the average "can't connect to this site", but their server was up, and rejecting SSL handshakes
• 14:21
  tomman
  unless if it was some bizarro MITM attack...
• 14:21
  tomman
  anything is possible, to be fair
• 14:22
  WG9s
  OIC so more like an issue not connectivity related
• 14:22
  WG9s
  you could connect but ssl handshake failed
• 14:58
  WG9s
  tomman: that would make sense if you were using an at work account where they force you to use a proxy or if your ISP had you using a chaching proxy to try to boost performance.
• 15:19
  tomman
  forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=28995 wow, why in the hell a router management UI would require frickin' BigInt support!?
• 15:19
  tomman
  WHY
• 15:20
  tomman
  you can avoid visiting websites that require useless shinies, but when the shinies infect your FIRMWARE... well, that's an act of war
• 23:57
  CaptainTobin
  i have a general question one person MIGHT know the answer to
• 23:58
  CaptainTobin
  are ntfs junctions to ram drives actaully worth it io wise
• 23:58
  CaptainTobin
  obviously in a mozcontext it would be for the objdir