06:16:46 <hexagonwin> With my new theme (http://micros.archve.ga/public/WWW-Extensions/) installed, when customize toolbar menu's set to show "Icons" instead of "Icons and Text" the text of the items on the bookmark bar disappears. On other themes only the text on the navigation buttons are disappearing. Which part of the theme needs modifications to make the text of the bookmark bar always show?
06:18:32 <hexagonwin> https://i.ibb.co/3zpYLCM/bookmark-hidden.png (this is what i mean; text on bookmark items are not shown)
07:32:31 <Sousacycle> Is there any way to easily translate a page?
09:27:45 <Rainer_Bielefeld> Hi, can someone confirm the INSTAGRAM and FACEBOOK regression in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1805074
09:28:10 <Rainer_Bielefeld> And check whether th regression is in 2.53.16 or  2.53.15 ?
12:10:19 <JGod-P666-15> Hey guys
12:10:24 <JGod-P666-15> How are you?
12:12:34 <JGod-P666-11> is there a way to move the new tab button?
12:13:04 <JGod-P666-11> just wonder if it was not more normal to have it to the right side with the rest.
12:13:32 <JGod-P666-11> It seems to be the norm as well as to have it to the right side
14:15:04 <skejg> may be some userChrome trick from the gurus?
14:19:13 <JGod-P666-22> There we go
14:19:21 <JGod-P666-22> running seamonkey from Absolute Linux
14:33:12 <IanN> Status meeting in 30 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-12-11
14:41:48 <WG9s_> hello all - here checking in for the meeting
14:52:47 <IanN> Status meeting in 10 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-12-11
15:01:20 <IanN> hi rsx11m
15:01:33 <rsx11m> hi IanN
15:01:34 <JGod-P666-22> hey IanN
15:01:36 <njsg> hi .*
15:01:38 <JGod-P666-22> hey
15:01:42 <JGod-P666-22> hey hey
15:01:54 <JGod-P666-22> can you move the add tab function to the right
15:02:11 <JGod-P666-22> like to the right with the 2 other functions
15:02:18 <JGod-P666-22> next to the tabs
15:02:36 <JGod-P666-22> open new tab is... kinda to the left...
15:02:43 <IanN> Status meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-12-11
15:02:45 <JGod-P666-22> I would like to be able to move it to the right
15:03:17 <njsg> Perhaps that's better left for after the meeting, but I'd say having new close to close is problematic, but this is XUL, I'd be surprised if it couldn't be changed somehow :-)
15:03:19 <JGod-P666-22> you know the year ends in Spring... or beins in Spring.
15:03:36 <IanN> Who's taking minutes?
15:03:38 <njsg> Isn't Microsoft's placement of close next to minimize and maximize a sometimes used example of not so good UI placement?
15:04:12 <JGod-P666-22> well we are not talking about.... well, kinda the new tab, is usally place to the right of the tabs
15:04:14 <rsx11m> njsg: yeah, accidentally closed a window when I meant to maximize it ... happens
15:04:23 <JGod-P666-22> and when you have the close tab there as well and the arrow down thing.
15:04:38 <frg> IanN me
15:04:43 <IanN> frg: thanks
15:04:47 <frg> Hi rsx11m
15:04:49 <rsx11m> hi frg
15:04:53 <IanN> Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
15:04:57 <JGod-P666-22> you can move a lot of the other things, so I would like to be able to move the add Tab as well.
15:05:12 <JGod-P666-22> So you guys are holding a meeting... ohh okay.
15:06:02 <frg> IanN Nominate rjl for the suite l10n move in central
15:06:12 <IanN> seconded
15:06:23 <JGod-P666-22> anyway of using seamonkey like Tor when Evil Tyrants block a webpage_
15:06:32 <JGod-P666-22> missing the Danish keyboard here....
15:06:43 <JGod-P666-22> need for code for changing that in linux
15:07:57 <JGod-P666-22> joining Linux and asking them
15:08:39 <rsx11m> frg: ircbot.comm-central.org does not longer resolve for me, did it change?
15:09:16 <frg> rsx11m not my site but It is down. have not herad about it. I thin hardys needs to fix it.
15:09:32 <JGod-P666-22> is there a meeting here
15:09:35 <IanN> Action Items
15:09:37 <rsx11m> ok, so it's not my DNS server
15:10:23 <njsg> yeah, same here, both ircbot. and comm-central.org are not resolving
15:10:30 <frg> We still don't have a new signing cert for Windows but it seems macsmurf is close.
15:10:51 <njsg> I think one of the sites I looked at had a DNS change on december 8 or 9, but I might have misread that.
15:10:55 <frg> ^mcsmurf
15:11:39 <JGod-P666-22> By the way... I got finished with the WES7 updated thing, although my installation guide was burned... But... I do have the file if anyone wants a fully updated WES7 64bit
15:11:41 <IanN> yeah, the suppliers changed the process causing extra work to get a new one
15:12:28 <njsg> JGod-P666-22: under X11, "setxkbmap dk"? -- ...if dk is the right code for the layout
15:12:36 <njsg> JGod-P666-22: and yes, meeting.
15:12:44 <JGod-P666-2284> njsg, thanks... I\ll have a look
15:13:01 <JGod-P666-2284> there is code... I have the code in my notes somewhere...
15:13:07 <JGod-P666-2284> but it is a mess....
15:13:16 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
15:13:47 <frg> Chugging along. I don't think any changes were done.
15:13:48 <JGod-P666-2284> Ahhh, infrastructure... well Ill just keep at the side and let you guys talk it out.
15:14:54 <frg> IanN did you make any progress with the macOS symbol generation on the builder?
15:14:55 <IanN> some work needs to happen in 2023
15:15:14 <IanN> frg: no, will try and look at it over the next month
15:16:04 <JGod-P666-2284> No only had a print of my older notes... I wonder where that file could be.
15:16:08 <frg> I suspect needs more stuff added to the build symbol generation files.. Have a hunch.
15:16:40 <IanN> frg: yeah, probably missing some patches
15:17:07 <frg> But want first to see that we are py3 compatible and binggen and rust config stuff is updated. Build evn is very close to 78 now.
15:17:15 <frg> Thanks to Myckel.
15:18:35 <JGod-P666-22> I don\t really need the list all tabs... as the tabs should always be listed anyway in the tabs in small boxes... it could really just be removed and the added tab could be put there in replacement.
15:18:55 <IanN> Myckel++
15:19:02 <JGod-P666-22> just make the tabs able to be smaller in size, that\s how it should be out of the box
15:19:08 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
15:19:15 <frg> JGod-P666-22 after the meeting please.
15:19:26 <JGod-P666-2284> Sure thing. sorry.
15:19:53 <frg> All building. Soem checkins ready. Will pick up the breakage fixes from WG9s too when I do checkins.
15:21:45 <IanN> great :)
15:21:56 <IanN> Release Train
15:22:00 <frg> Did some additonal macOS fixes and WG9s added to them.
15:23:10 <frg> 2.53.15b1 is in theory out but only the build 1 currently. Some mixups happend. We did a build 3 last week to also account for a bug in the profile wizard. But not up yet. Means Ventura is still broken with the current build.
15:23:17 <IanN> ICU patches broke building for me, hopefully next version will fix my building
15:23:40 <frg> IanN not in 2.53.15 or?
15:23:40 <tomman> forgot about the meeting, so hello world~
15:23:47 <frg> Hi tomman
15:23:54 <IanN> no that's in 2.53.16
15:24:01 <IanN> (I think)
15:24:23 <frg> IanN should we do a fast 2.53.15 release in parallel or wait for the new signing cert?
15:25:03 <IanN> frg: wait for cert
15:27:38 <frg> we are a bit late with 2.53.15 but at least 2.53.16 should be fine.
15:27:58 <IanN> yes, lots more backports going in it seems
15:28:09 <frg> For source tree I forgot. 2.53.16b1 pre now supports webext dictionaries and we switched language packs to webext too. Please test.
15:28:37 <IanN> frg++
15:28:59 <frg> langpacks was 80% Myckel++ :)
15:29:04 <IanN> frg: do both webext and non-webext dictionaries work?
15:29:35 <frg> IanN I think yes. The one in my old profile still works.
15:29:51 <IanN> nice ;)
15:30:30 <frg> Didn't try to install an old one but unpacking them should still work too. I tried to not take out the code like mozilla did.
15:30:40 <IanN> Extensions Tracking
15:30:54 <frg> Again please test.
15:31:42 <tomman> Palefill no longer works with SeaMonkey as of 1.24: https://github.com/martok/palefill/issues/67
15:32:09 <tomman> must use 1.23, and hope GitHub and the rest of the Googles do not change things... again
15:32:55 <frg> Well at least for github and gitlab general webext support can be switched on. Not perfect but mostly works. I did put some more things in and plan to continue working on the regexp issue.
15:32:58 <tomman> so far, an apparent WONTFIX upstream because the target is Pale Moon, it just worked with SM by a happy coincidence
15:33:03 <tomman> oh, cool~
15:34:00 <frg> Wish we were clsoer to turning on Stylo but still needs a bunch of stuff.
15:34:13 <frg> ^closer
15:35:18 <njsg> of course google has already changed things, at least in translate, which requires, what was it, "User Timing Level 3" for "translate this page"?
15:37:30 <frg> Nothing more for extensions I think. Other than we pborke some of the old ones probably harder than expected with the nsI removals but so far only internal breakage was reported.
15:37:43 <IanN> 2.Next, Feature List, Planning & Roundtable
15:38:03 <frg> ^we broke
15:38:10 <frg> bau.
15:38:47 <frg> Will see that I add some more compatibility stuff to 2.53.16 next but as usual no promisies.
15:38:56 <frg> ^promises
15:39:12 * frg aka. mistyper of the day
15:40:12 * WG9s_ says only because he has been fairly quiet
15:40:52 <IanN> frg: promises and await?
15:41:05 <IanN> frg: and some yield?
15:41:36 <WG9s_> miles to go and promises to keep
15:41:56 <frg> IanN promises are mostly good I think. service workers and lets see what goes.
15:43:07 * WG9s_ says, for those who did not get it, that was a Robert Frost poem reference.
15:43:59 <hyc> the woods are lovely dark and deep
15:44:10 <IanN> Rainer_Bielefeld mentioned that we have some new bustage on Facebook / Instagram in 2.53.15
15:44:57 <frg> WG9s_ Watch the Charles Brosen movie Telefon and you will know about the poem :)
15:45:15 <frg> IanN might be becuaee of the updated default ua.
15:45:16 <guest_> ircbot.comm-central.org is no longer working - any alternative for chat log archive ?
15:46:04 <IanN> frg: bug 1805074
15:46:31 <frg> The only thing about ilk like google and facebook is to add more stuff. If you relay on these sites you probably need Chrome and only Chrome. I doubt we will be able to catch up with them.
15:48:16 <frg> IanN ua related. Switch to SeaMonkey only and it shows.
15:50:02 <IanN> AOB?
15:50:06 <njsg> routing_namespace seems to be absent in the parameters of the POST request for https://www.instagram.com/ajax/bulk-route-definitions/ with a newer firefox UA
15:50:26 <njsg> only difference I've spotted so far, might be unrelated
15:52:48 <frg> bau too
15:54:08 <IanN> date for next meeting is incorrect in AOB
15:54:13 <rsx11m> I've left the date for the next meeting open, since technically it would be January 1st 8-)
15:55:13 <IanN> maybe we bump to 8th, then have them every 3 weeks after?
15:55:47 <frg> sounds like a plan
15:55:54 <rsx11m> I can do 15th, but not the 8th - whatever the majority plans
15:56:39 <guest_> could the new location of the chat archive added to the meeting protocol ?
15:56:59 <rsx11m> guest_: I think it's simply down and needs to be revived
15:57:03 <frg> guest_ there is no new location currently.
15:57:19 <njsg> does anyone know what ircbot.comm-central.org used to resolve to?
15:57:21 <guest_> thanx for the info
15:58:08 <frg> rsx11m Can you do the announcement for the 8th? If not I can play substitute.
15:58:23 <rsx11m> njsg: yeah, it may still be around, just dropped from the DNS somehow
15:58:40 <njsg> 8th probably works better than 1st for me, but, other than that ("not 1st"), I've got no preference :-)
15:58:42 <rsx11m> frg: I can set up the page in advance, but too early for the announcement
15:59:16 <frg> rsx11m If you can set up the page I will post on Friday.
15:59:31 <rsx11m> frg: ok
15:59:48 <IanN> thanks both
16:00:02 <frg> rsx11m Maybe Thursday becuase Friday is our big yearly pinball meeting but I will manage :)
16:00:11 <frg> Will set a reminder.
16:00:22 <IanN> okay, I'll call that a meeting, next meeting 8th January, same bat channel, same bat time
16:00:34 <IanN> thanks for your time today and have a good holiday season
16:00:43 <rsx11m> enjoy the snow!
16:00:46 <njsg> ... but different year! :-)
16:00:46 <IanN> see you on the other side
16:01:27 <frg> ho ho ho. Merry xmas and will see you here before the new year anyway :)
16:02:17 <rsx11m> bye
16:02:25 <IanN> rsx11m: bye have a good one
16:03:09 <njsg> happy holidays and a happy new year everyone :-)
16:03:35 <WG9s_> thanks
16:12:05 <tomman> 2023 is just... 21 days away
16:15:59 <frg_Away> tommn and SeaMonkey is still working :)
16:18:58 <tomman> yup~
16:53:22 <JGod-P666-22> happy holidays and a happy new year everyone :-)  <--- You know Christ-Mass is Satanism, and so is the so called New Year coming up....
16:54:10 <JGod-P666-22> The true New Year is in Spring.
16:54:24 <JGod-P666-22> and Christ was most likely born at Succoth, in the fall.
16:55:07 <JGod-P666-22> Christ-Mass is the Devils Birth of his fake Sun God, with his Sun God Solar Priest being shown in the television on the 24-25 December directly live from the Vatican.
16:55:11 <JGod-P666-22> Or Ratican....
16:55:33 <JGod-P666-22> Roman Catholics worships a dead cookie...
16:55:40 <JGod-P666-22> Sunshaped...
16:55:53 <JGod-P666-22> They believe the Priest has the power to turn it into God Almighty...
16:56:05 <JGod-P666-22> And kill him all over again...
17:00:32 <hyc> Sir, this is a Wendy's
17:10:30 <JGod-P666-22> still upgrating calibre...
17:11:26 <tomman> and I'm installing Debian on the worst motherboard ever: a PCChips M756LMRT+
17:41:11 <njsg> I don't think I did state in my message when would the mentioned "happy new year" begin, so I fail to see the issue :-P
18:00:36 <JGod-P666-69> does bitchute work on seamonkey?
18:00:46 <JGod-P666-69> seems I have issues running it.
18:01:01 <JGod-P666-69> well I just deleted all my portable apps as well..
18:01:03 <JGod-P666-69> just terrible
18:07:36 <buc> Regarding irclog:
18:08:18 <buc> It seems that irclog.comm-central.org domain was not renewed in time, but the service itself continues to work on its hosting.
18:08:54 <buc> You can reach it for now by https://upsilon.black-net.org:8080/seamonkey
18:09:29 <buc> (Note -- should confirm certificate exception, since formally it is "another" host)
18:14:31 <buc> If irclog service run on a separate VM -- may be ask hrosyk to copy the entire VM and run it somewhere under control of the official SM people?
22:58:14 <Ray_Net> Hello, How many months or year before the official release of 2.57 ? Any ideas ?
23:00:28 <GrannyGoose> afaik, 257 will never be released
23:13:50 <njsg> Ray_Net: no plans so far, and some things are already in 2.53. Some aren't even in 2.57.
23:14:06 <njsg> or, well, no short-term plans :-)
23:15:29 <Ray_Net> I am interested by the support of the new format "Web extension" for the french dictionnary
23:18:24 <njsg> Ray_Net: that's currently in the "nightly" builds for 2.53
23:19:07 <njsg> either way, it should also be possible to extract the actual dictionary files and place them somewhere (profile? install directory?) without installing as an extension
23:19:57 <njsg> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Dictionaries#Installing_manually_to_the_application
23:21:22 <njsg> No idea if it works, but for french the latest non-webext in a list I have here (might be outdated) is https://addons.thunderbird.net/seamonkey/downloads/file/950814/dictionnaire_francais-6.3.xpi
23:25:03 <Ray_Net> 6.3.xpi is the one I used with my SM 2.53.3
23:35:28 <njsg> Ray_Net: there is no difference compared to 6.3.1, if I'm checking right, the dictionary files are the same
23:35:55 <njsg> or were you thinking of another file or version I'm not seeing? I'm not sure I'm looking at the same dictionary
23:42:43 <Ray_Net> In fact I have the impression that the xpi disappears in favor of the web extension, so I wanted to move forward in this direction