00:00:13 have no idea what kind it is.... 00:00:55 But that is so unless someone entered it manually. The stickers on the outside have unique keys but if you just use OEM recovery media you end up with the same key on all. 00:00:55 The rare times I need to "license Windows for free", I just use one of the many KMS emulators out there :D 00:01:14 I'm no fan of BIOS mods, loaders, and all that pizzaz 00:01:33 well I just installed a OEM installation from DELL..... 00:01:45 and extracted the key from it when it was still unlocked. 00:02:21 there is some kind of weird number outside on the DELL... but it is not an activation key. 00:02:42 but the numbers does not fit a standard key 00:03:33 Is the key I have then, you say, the same as anyone else - does that key then only work for those specific dells? 00:03:47 tomman 10 and 11 can be activated with a 7 key and there are tons of genuine ones available for cheap. 00:04:23 frg_Away: and I guess they'll keep allowing that forever, if only to kill 7/8 ASAP 00:04:53 they will just not speak about it anymore, because they know if that they kill that upgrade path, the bad PR will be titanic 00:04:53 We want windows 2000 pro sanity!!! :) 00:05:44 Well, I don't have any other Dell N03D to try out frg_Away and see if what you say is true. 00:06:03 Although I can try to install a copy of the WES7 on my Desktop and see how that goes. 00:06:13 and see if it rejects the key. 00:06:36 so what do I use the WES7 key on the outside of the machine? 00:06:44 can I call up MS for a working unique key? 00:07:50 JGod-P666-15 same key. They might be variations in the acpi tables and certs needed but at least for Pro and Ultimate I only know of one key and cert. 00:08:01 Well... Dells says... 00:08:02 Hvor er produktnøglen for Windows 7? 00:08:03 Windows 7-computere har én af to muligheder for produktnøgler: 00:08:03 En produktnøgle, der fysisk er tilsluttet computeren. 00:08:23 They say it is a unique key for the computer. 00:08:43 These are oem keys so only Dell could help. 00:09:02 Well then my key i unique. 00:09:21 in any case I can't check things without another unit or two. 00:09:46 and my credit card is closed for web shopping because of the Beast number 666 and control of our resources. 00:10:29 and they are ready to push the CO2 nonsense as well, they are getting ready. 00:10:35 including credits scores for the people. 00:10:38 here in the west. 00:11:27 Then they must have done something special and dell specific for the thin clients. I am not familiar with Starter but for the other editions and Dell laptops it is 100% as I wrote it. 00:12:02 okay, well, I can't test it to verify sadly, but if one of you guys buy a unit we can check it. 00:15:44 work in progress: jesusgod-pope666.info/backup/Apps2022Okt01.7z 00:17:45 work in progress: jesusgod-pope666.info/backup/WES7UPDATED.zip 00:17:51 Well if it is 36Q3Y-BBT84-MGJ3H-FT7VD-FG72J then it is the Dell Windows 7 Starter key. They are listed here: https://d-fault.nl/keys 00:19:59 nope 00:20:13 begins with F94Kq 00:20:19 F94KQ 00:21:39 The first link is for my Portable collection, the second is for my WES7 updated version 00:22:00 the WES7 is kinda large as I included all tongues. 00:22:22 add the drivers in the folder before install... 00:23:27 Oh not Starter but embedded standard: F94KQ-WJBTW-YR6MK-K7TGX-69F4C (Wyse, OEM) 00:23:28 nearly all portable apps are 32 bit... I need to test them with w2k as well and see if I need to adjust things as well. 00:23:46 what the... 00:23:53 https://gist.github.com/RaduTek/5fe83ec0834c0d64ff2d0ea98bcd64f8#file-windows-embedded-standard-7-txt 00:24:01 That's my key alright!!! 00:24:15 told you. slic activation :) 00:24:38 so what about the number outside the model? 00:24:48 outside the unit. 00:25:35 well if they key is... I Guess I could to activate it... but it is connected to the hardware? 00:25:47 Either serial number or if it is 5 block number the unique key. 00:26:20 Thought WES7 is starter. 00:26:46 00039-712-448-359-X16-83932 00:27:07 ohh here it also says I guess that it is the WES7 E edition. 00:27:12 That is the product id. 00:27:21 so what do I use the product id for? 00:27:49 for nothing. Just statistics. 00:28:29 it says Windows embedded standard 7 right next to it... 00:28:57 If there is a unique key it should be on this sticker. 00:29:17 Embedded is special and might not have one. 00:29:20 Yea well thats the key I just posted. 00:29:32 but that key does not work for activation. 00:30:13 Well I guess I can just include "my" key in the download for the updated image installation then 00:30:35 Thanks, nice to know. Might be very helpful for others. 00:30:46 so they don't need to go look for it anyway... 00:30:57 took me hours and hours to get it :/ 00:31:02 days I think. 00:32:13 That was very nice to know, although did not understand everything, the conclusion is worth a good amount of gold for not wasting other peoples time. :) 00:32:24 hope someone can use it. 00:33:35 You can put the keys in with slmgr.vbs but they won't acitvate without the slic in the bios and the cert added with slmgr.vbs /ilc 00:34:16 Yea I was thinking of just putting it in a txt file, then people can try it out under the installation if it works or not. 00:34:52 like if I do that, would it then still be able to put in another key under the installation if it does not accept the key? 00:36:04 I know there is a way to add the key into the ICE tool, yet I did not do it... 00:36:36 yes you can always overwrite the installed key. Must match the product. You can't put a pro key into an embedded Windows installation e.g. 00:36:43 I guess I could try to add the key and make an image and try installing it on my foreign desktop computer. 00:37:23 Will not activate. 00:37:37 But will it allow me to put in another key? 00:38:12 then everything is great, making it easier for those that buy a Dell N03D and yet let other use it with other keys. 00:38:51 you gotta be kidding me: WES7 Toolkit: 00:38:51 7XT84-3XQFP-YMXQF-PP96H-F74DV (Full) 00:39:14 although not sure it will change anything, it gives you 180 days to try the product. 00:41:42 Anyway, it is bed time, thanks for the talk and help. 00:41:59 some further working on the WES7... but it is pretty near complete. 00:42:46 The other Dell N03D should install with the same key/media. 00:43:14 yea, I guess so then :/ 00:43:25 well, I guess pretty good overall then. 00:44:04 by the way, you can acutally turn off the N03D and have it use 0 watts!!! 00:44:08 actually 00:44:27 my Desktop uses more power turned off then my Dell N03D used turned on. 00:45:28 the meter shows 0 watts when the Dell N03D is turned off, as long as you turn off wireless, or active, and bluetooth. 00:46:10 So it does not get much better.... I don't know how it compared to the Pie or Pinephone but... 00:46:34 Rasperry pie might be low as well... 00:47:51 and now I wanna have some pie 00:48:26 I've just eaten a good meal so... I'm good. 00:48:38 but yea, might not have been the best name to call it. 00:49:15 And a beer.... is pretty close to a pint of bear... 00:49:17 beer 00:50:09 and some of Del's Jewish sausage.... 00:50:15 anyway, Laila Tov. 02:13:31 pandakekok9: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=29095&p=233952#p233952 tell Wolfbeast that in my surface analysis it seems to be endlessly spinning with processing and most frequently walking the style tree.. It is not a problem in Pale Moon 29 or older and was not a problem in GRE so whatever is triggering this was most decidedly post-GRE AND it is something I also took in and since I haven't taken in all or even all i desire yet.. 02:13:31 a comparison should give you a somewhat more targeted place to start build regression testing.. I would guess the best place to focus would be layout post-gre but before september-ish feels about the right range 02:14:45 possibly july aug timespan.. perhaps pandakekok9 02:15:53 now you can continue to pretend to you don't see what I say that's fine.. you can even be the one to come up with some ridiculous story how something you guys did that had nothing to do with me is somehow still my fault.. idc just get the message to him and one of you guys fix the damn thing 02:18:12 that goes for you too _nuke_ 02:27:45 NewTobinParadigm: I've reported your findings in the forum, thanks 02:28:20 pandakekok9: let me know if you wanna have a .. conversation of any type at some point. k? 02:28:52 now.. what else can I be doing before I have to focus on other shit.... 02:29:00 back to mah channel i go! 03:55:18 pandakekok9: right.. yeah I guess a mutationobserver storm would cause repeated walking of the style tree AND i forgot to mention without js it is fine with js but style set to no style (might be basic style in Pale Moon) it is fine.. But we have seen this before as well same behavior and result but this issue doesn't happen in older versions so maybe something exposed another flaw and fixing this flaw will fix this problem regardless? 03:56:02 across the board regardless* 03:56:06 so i dunno dude 04:00:53 well when if he rejoins someone needs to ask him to please use c-c logbot cause while he did relay exactly what I typed.. not everyone does.. I'd rather have my actual words referenced in context 04:04:00 pandakekok9: right.. yeah I guess a mutationobserver storm would cause repeated walking of the style tree AND i forgot to mention without js it is fine with js but style set to no style (might be basic style in Pale Moon) it is fine.. But we have seen this before as well same behavior and result but this issue doesn't happen in older versions so maybe something exposed another flaw and fixing this flaw will fix this problem regardless? 04:04:34 across the board regardless* 13:10:40 a question for the wise nerds. Do you know how to fix the MPT error I get in WES7? 13:10:52 Is there a MS KB that maybe fixes this or? 13:11:18 I guess it is outside your guys field but... anyway. 14:55:10 Never had this error. mtp is media tranport protocol? So maybe disk network or graphics related. 17:30:21 frg_Away: well.. looks like you won't have to remove movemail 17:30:26 or just skip the removal 17:30:37 cause it looks like Thunderbird is gonna put it back 17:30:53 guess Jorg may have scared them a bit.. plus everyone commenting 17:31:25 seems whatever Mozilla Messenging calls it self these days in their for profit form.. they aren't as confident as main mozco to flat ignore everyone 17:31:53 NewTobinParadigm I don't use it but had no intention to backport this. Based on some of the early comments it seemed not a good idea to take it out. 17:32:03 could also be a bait and switch.. SAY you are gonna restore but never do or do it badly but in the meantime disract from alt builds 17:32:34 frg_Away: they thought they could get away with uber-modern thunderbird and pull firefox on us.. 17:32:37 on their users 17:32:42 NewTobinParadigm I am waiting for Firefox to add back rss. Seems to become more mainstream again :) 17:32:49 well it didn't work this time assuming they make good 17:33:14 frg_Away: well anything you try and take away will always forment resistance] 17:33:29 i plan to push RSS harder and harder 17:33:46 because it isn't a centralized social manipulation feed shit directly into my system 17:34:56 frg_Away: hasn't it occured to you that is one major reason SeaMonkey didn't die off with xpfe/ 17:35:21 was resistance 17:36:20 I just wish apathy hadn't became so infectious in the early 2010s when critical decisions on the future needed to be made before the final expression was known about what Mozilla was turning into 17:36:53 but then again Mozilla maintained a solid pretense barely no one could see through for a long long time post-2008 17:37:00 didn't it IanN_Away 17:39:15 if I had sat down and did in 2014-2016 for seamonkey what I did for Pale Moon.. i think things would be different.. one thing is I doubt I'd be running around on my own today trying to do whatever I can and am allowed to see it not all collapse before destiny decides the final fate 17:39:28 back in 2010 17:39:33 or 2009 17:41:55 frg_Away: in your opinion how important do you think jxr is 17:42:51 cause with Google shitting on the format and now webp 2.0 based on av1 is their prefered shit.. so demand for jxr seems like not that big of a priority 17:42:58 jxl format or something new. jxl is dead. Chrome took it out. 17:43:40 frg_Away: Pale Moon just added it and tho it has been a personal moonchild goal to have since before me.. why would he finally do it when everyone else is dropping support 17:44:43 it is like adding realaudio support being your release notes number one item.. but what the fuck is the point? 17:44:57 My favorites are jpg gif and png. Everything else can go. Yes I know patents but ong should be ok here. 17:45:07 I prefer PNG 17:45:10 across the board 17:45:13 when possible 17:45:13 ^png should be ok here 17:45:40 tho when it is a page background and can't be reasonably jpeg'd to hell i use webp 17:45:53 if the image takes too long to load 17:46:01 but that's it 17:46:07 otherwise.. png across the board 17:47:50 i guess it depends on how extensive the changes to image/ and elsewhere are if i port the change.. and even if I do i will likely leave it build disabled until such time it is adventagous to enable and ship and i am sure it wasn't fatally botched 17:48:41 if it changes other places too much i will have to take it in to avoid messes later but if not then why bother until nessisary 17:48:43 As for SeaMonkey. I think it was not one cause. When I started contributing it was also a bit frustrating. Everything checked and doublechecked and restamped. Was impossible to get a fast fix in. I really hate programming errors and dislike some of the regressions which crept in with some of the patches but nothing is 100% error free. 17:49:44 I am ALL ABOUT proceedure policy and structure.. but have to also have the ability to spot patch and move quickly.. everything still should be checked.. and unless nessisary double and triple checked 17:50:09 unless not* 17:51:36 the thing that put me off to contributing code wise in the very early days was it was mozilla policy that this project adopted that I had to prove what I wanted to do was gonna work before I'd be allowed to start doing it.. now for some shit that means basically completing the job and it was impossible then and difficult for me today to do work when there is a more than likely chance of it not even being used 17:52:42 and while ratty encuraged me to do it anyway.. neil really put me off for a very long time 17:53:07 so i did bug triage for a little while to help out and continued my agitating 17:53:14 IanN_Away: remembers it.. he was there 17:54:11 then of course Kairo accused me and all of us of stealing mozilla code so it is a wonder I still come back here .. to all of you 17:54:39 well that I did then 17:54:58 now I can't afford that kind of rage 17:56:40 My stance is it is open source and you can't steal unless you sell your software. But I always try to give credit and as with the patches keep the orginal data as intact as possible. 18:01:18 you can steal if you don't follow the license 18:01:41 but frg_Away take it from someone who tried defending the MPL.. no one cares unless they have a legal department. 18:02:37 that is the simple truth.. open source is a lie and always has been and the only defense against people stealing your shit are legal departments or current political crisis fueled mob mentality 18:02:47 anything more is posturing and threats 18:03:14 NewTobinParadigm yes license should be honored. 18:03:19 now that I understand that... I really wish I could avoided last aug-oct 18:05:18 i obviously couldn't muster the former tho they certainly did in defense of theft.. also for calling for my death.. and i don't have the latter.. So even if what I said is only part of the reality.. for me.. All i literally have is posturing and threats that really no one is gonna take seriously unless they are legit mistaken in what they did 18:05:58 and depending on how much I scream at them of course 18:06:01 and HOW 18:06:02 heh 18:06:56 in fact that realization is why I wanted to create a permissive license that ACTED KINDOF like the MPL but aside from attribution and per-file it would be basically bsd-style 18:07:20 people are gonna steal my shit regardless.. maybe I can convince them to at least credit me? MAYBE?! 18:07:53 also the license would make the distinction between server code sitting there and being executed to satisfy a remote request 18:08:14 cause server code running serverside or client side on behalf of the client IS IMO an Executable Form 18:08:23 tho the MPL has nothing to support this 18:08:43 javascript is simple easy MPL complience.. serverside needs defined] 18:09:08 at least in unminified unobfuscated unbytecode form.. well you shared the source! 18:10:11 so think of it as Permissive MPL 18:10:15 that is my goal 18:11:02 i want to protect intellectual property like logos and trademarks, i want attrib, i want to define that executing source code server side IS an executable form.. 18:11:11 otherwise mit-bsd style 18:11:28 sound like a useful thing frg_Away 18:11:35 ? 18:12:00 I also want to enforce listing contributors in the header to a file 18:13:36 I think there are enough licenses around. What is needed is for comapnies to honor them. 18:13:55 well then YOU find me a license with all that 18:14:05 And now the end is near webext langugae packs in SeaMonkey 2.53 :) https://ibb.co/ySbs252 18:14:34 i dunno why you bothered unless atbn is gonna remove install.rdf locales 18:15:30 frg_Away: what happens if you try and define an entity again in repat? 18:15:34 NewTobinParadigm Makes it easer for porting the python 3 stuff. 18:15:56 frg_Away: I really don't want to go to python 3 18:16:11 i'd rather just switch the build system to something else 18:17:03 Duplicate entities are an error. The l10n merge will dislike you. 18:17:51 and I won't until everything I can't possibly replace or remove is done.. If I am gonna port this shit i don't want all the cruft too.. and I want it to still maintain python 2 compatibility including tauthon so i have to do it on my own at any rate.. because what is given isn't good enough 18:17:53 for me 18:19:46 frg_Away: the l10n merge can fuck off.. i have nearly killed that build logic.. and came up with my own packaging strategy but i don't have the means to do langpacks or even adapt Pale Moon's so I will further that end of it if the need arises.. 18:20:20 but I am no longer discounting the importance of l10n 18:20:26 i just can't do much about it right now 18:20:45 but i will make sure if i need to i will be capable of it 18:20:59 on the infra side 18:21:37 http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/runtime/packager/packager.mk#146 18:21:50 I am not a fan of language packs. Always use the full installer. We don't even publish them on the add-on site any longer. 18:22:11 fuck chances are if I do do langpacks i will keep the locales in-tree and use ab-CD to deal with it 18:22:51 like my very simple and effective bypass for the mozilla l10n build logic? 18:25:36 and i can do the locale and skin targets without building everything and without disabling compile environment 18:26:03 just have it coded to be just another step in releng after package installer mar 18:27:09 It is one step now. No longer needed to disable the compile env: 18:27:11 ./mach build 18:27:12 ./mach package 18:27:14 ./mach build installers-de 18:27:25 frg_Away: http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/runtime/packager/packager.mk#60 THIS was the hardest.. not only finding and isolating the required bits of the linux path but also figuring out a way to get it to work on windows 18:27:34 i don't like localized installers 18:27:52 should either have em all or stay as add-ons and be en-US builtin 18:28:06 imo 18:28:08 of course 18:28:32 I could do them no doubt and far easier with my rewritten packager logic 18:28:45 but i don't like em nor wanna have to store them 18:29:10 Not everyone is a computer crack and fluent in English so fully localized versions are useful. 18:29:32 and if not before but especially now.. how many users that already haven't been put off by no langpacks for my stuff are still around to get re-offended by it 18:29:52 so i have to balance all that including what you said in my decision 18:30:22 it can't simply be .. my shit my call.. i can't affort THAT level of arrogance soley by its self anymore and you know that frg_Away 18:30:48 afford 18:32:56 Language packs are just a choice and they can stay. If they become a burden and suck up too much time maintaining it would be different. But I don't see this. Next steps are generating msi installers and macOS arm builds. 10/11 only msix can go to the dumpster for all I care. 18:43:50 why are you doing msi installers.. do you really think seamonkey has any corperate users on any scale in 2022? 18:49:35 I like them :) Always pick them myself if available. 18:50:27 ... msi is just for corporate? 18:52:50 no 20:51:18 Seems I sorted out the automated WES7 key under installation! :) 20:51:30 in the WES7 Tool ICE 20:52:10 And have sorta sorted out my issue with the Android connection now as well 20:52:20 just need to have the mobile in the usb before installing. 20:52:43 Apparently that does the trick on the later error on drivers for Mobile. 20:53:23 So I 20:53:35 I'm pretty much as good as running on my other machine now!!! :) 20:58:27 it was painful for sure!!! 20:58:30 still is...