04:35:57 <NewTobinParadigm> I am bringing thereisonlyxul dot org back and it is going to fulfil NOT ONLY its orginal intention but in a way that is NOT limited to only the cool kids..
04:36:15 <NewTobinParadigm> Been working on it.. http://personal.mattatobin.com/image/capture/ef8a3955-992f-4fe6-a549-096c05c4ba08.jpg
04:37:09 <NewTobinParadigm> I don't care that no group completely trusts if not hates the others.. I want to prove a fuckin point.. XUL Lives.
04:37:58 <NewTobinParadigm> There is no data. Only XUL.. BUT if you insist.. my fuckin page will exist.
21:08:30 <neko_the_gamer_> neko_the_gamer: hello
21:08:42 <neko_the_gamer_> nvm irc doesn't work on android
21:57:25 <NewTobinParadigm> franstam: when I bring the site back up do you want a different blurb than what I wrote?
21:57:28 <NewTobinParadigm> er
21:57:32 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away:
21:57:40 <NewTobinParadigm> IanN_Away
21:59:13 <frg_Away> NewTobinParadigm Fine with me.
21:59:35 <NewTobinParadigm> I think I will remove the first sentence
21:59:43 <NewTobinParadigm> i just copied some text off the front page
22:00:53 <NewTobinParadigm> I also am gonna add a formerly/not quite xul section as well for select projects as well likely just 2-3
22:01:04 <frg_Away> Btw tested VS2022 17.4 today. Broken again so keep 17.3 for now if you plan to use it later. ipc code needs updates. hash code is borked. Not sure if it is post 52 code only.
22:01:28 <frg_Away> Sticking with Vs2019 which is fine.
22:01:31 <NewTobinParadigm> UXP is already 2022
22:01:49 <NewTobinParadigm> but i am sure there are likely issues that are edge cases that hasn't been made apperent again
22:01:52 <NewTobinParadigm> so i am hesitant
22:02:21 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: it will depend where i get the updated code from and if it happens to not be compat with whatever compiler figuring out how to make it as such
22:02:57 <NewTobinParadigm> like an xpcom patch making use of vs2017+ behavior of static_assert where the second argument is optional but vs2015 it is required to be a string literal
22:03:37 <frg_Away> yes I saw this. Wonder if they already tried it with the latest level.
22:04:14 <NewTobinParadigm> well i will see which once I am able to do it produces the best results and TRY and stick with it.. I may stick with 2015 cause the lib updates that require newer vs really aren't THAT critical at this time.. merely would be nice kinda level
22:04:59 <frg_Away> I ran into the static assert and it will go away with c++17 compatibility . Still not there for SeaMonkey but close.
22:05:23 <NewTobinParadigm> well its an easy workaround.. add a string literal
22:05:39 <frg_Away> Yes that is what I did.
22:05:54 <NewTobinParadigm> you know exactly which patch don't you
22:06:22 <NewTobinParadigm> funny they haven't removed the spidermoney wrapper yet
22:06:35 <NewTobinParadigm> nor any existing string literals
22:07:44 <frg_Away> Bug 1792041
22:07:58 <NewTobinParadigm> Moonchild obscures which bug numbers he has patched
22:08:33 <NewTobinParadigm> most never get unrestricted but i dunno why one needs to obscure a direct or minorly adapted mozbug
22:09:26 <NewTobinParadigm> which is why in the style guidelines the normalized Mozilla commit message was acceptable when applicable.. Bug XXX - Part X: Message
22:09:45 <NewTobinParadigm> which is why I use Issue #XXX - Part X: Message
22:09:50 <frg_Away> Yes makes it easy to pretend you are a genius. I am not so keeping bug numers and author information :) Also not ok to remove this.
22:10:19 <NewTobinParadigm> I always wanted to highlight every time we backported mozshit especially when it was really hard or deemed impossible
22:10:34 <NewTobinParadigm> creation is part of the job.. application is the rest!
22:12:12 <NewTobinParadigm> I need to after I finish this cycle.. formalize HOW i can properly attribute and document where I get everything without it being a pain in the ass... and without having to amend author
22:13:27 <NewTobinParadigm> one thing I do want to do is modify the MPL header of any file modified since UXP's creation with a header that is more akin to 1.1's where it collects all the contributors and shit
22:13:36 <NewTobinParadigm> use repo history for it
22:13:57 <NewTobinParadigm> also ONE of the uses of that comm-esr52 repo you converted for me frg_Away
22:15:14 <NewTobinParadigm> likely use repo history to replace the header with the 1.1 version.. modify it to reflect 2.0's requirements.. then update it using commit history
22:15:31 <frg_Away> Well I just use the hg patches and import them via the series file for our releases. Original information kept. Case closed.
22:15:32 <NewTobinParadigm> so everything is nice and documented
22:16:03 <NewTobinParadigm> well i can't simply apply things
22:16:07 <NewTobinParadigm> a lot of the time
22:16:18 <NewTobinParadigm> so if i do it I have to do it
22:16:26 <NewTobinParadigm> there is no automated process
22:18:03 <frg_Away> Yes the oatdhes are not always 1:1 because of rebases but mq is good here.
22:18:21 <frg_Away> ^patches
22:19:07 <frg_Away> Master branch updated too recently so more stuff permanent: https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-2.53-mozilla/-/commits/master
22:20:00 <NewTobinParadigm> so jorg made contact with me
22:20:14 <NewTobinParadigm> formerly thunderbird jorg
22:20:34 <NewTobinParadigm> seems he started his own minor rebuild project called betterbird
22:21:06 <NewTobinParadigm> that will be interesting to explore
22:21:25 <frg_Away> Yes basically like we do with an mq patch queue but based on 91 and probably 102 now.
22:21:31 <NewTobinParadigm> he might be willing to answer some questions cause he was in the middle of such releases like 52
22:22:05 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: he is the reason i considered adding a non-xul honerable mention section
22:22:41 <NewTobinParadigm> that and i think i am gonna list MyPal 68 forever cause I have done quite enough harm some of it undeserved to fedor2 specifically
22:25:50 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: if he hasn't lost his passion for anything outside his own project he might lend a hand or at least advice to both of our stuffs occasionally if we do the same
22:27:25 <frg_Away> I and jorg mail now and then if something comes up. Helped him with one or two build issue too. But recently so deep into backports that I didn't look much at the suite code.
22:28:24 <NewTobinParadigm> that is why despite doing my own thing I want to try and support other projects and shit as much as I can without becoming severely intertwined with it for the good of most of all of us even if that is merely supporting the right to exist and attempt the thing even if i hate you personally
22:28:59 <NewTobinParadigm> that would be more for .. THEM
22:29:02 <NewTobinParadigm> in that case
22:29:32 <frg_Away> I hate no one just for code I dislike. I lost repect for some but that is it.
22:36:27 <NewTobinParadigm> I orginally wanted to include everyone.. but very few want to work together and even fewer will stick it out more than a year or a month.. that eventually ended with me pissed at everyone and everyone trying everything to get me to go.. I finished what I was doing except one bit and went.. for a year.. then I came back when everything went to shit to stop it from going too far and worked my ass off for a solid year.. 12-16 hours a day very few
22:36:27 <NewTobinParadigm> days where i wasn't through my birthday, thanksgiving, christmas, new years.. i lost my god damned mind but i produced UXP, Phoebus 2.0, started Borealis and shipped Interlink and helped ship Pale Moon 28.. I recovered after that was all done and the rest you know or could know cause it happened last few years.
22:37:30 <NewTobinParadigm> THAT was to then go from including everyone to providing structure and stability for everyone to do their own thing but also collaborate with common cause
22:37:34 <NewTobinParadigm> i established that
22:38:08 <NewTobinParadigm> well obviously that failed for me and is becoming harder to keep together for everyone..
22:38:10 <NewTobinParadigm> SO NOW
22:38:50 <NewTobinParadigm> I am merely supporting everyone existing and doing their own thing and hoping but not expecting any collaboration whatsoever but ready to jump to it if it would be of benefit
22:39:01 <NewTobinParadigm> and doing my own thing
22:39:09 <NewTobinParadigm> even tho this year seems to indicate otherwise
22:39:10 <NewTobinParadigm> heh
22:39:52 <NewTobinParadigm> and that is just what has to be for now at least
22:39:56 <NewTobinParadigm> you know frg_Away
22:42:26 <JGod-P666-15> guys...
22:42:45 <JGod-P666-15> Would SeaMonkey not be faster if you turned of hypertreading???
22:42:58 <JGod-P666-15> I just realized that... it might.
22:43:11 <NewTobinParadigm> off? no
22:43:11 <JGod-P666-15> I have an old 4 kernel and 4 treads....
22:43:30 <NewTobinParadigm> you'd merely sabotage anything that takes advantage of multithreading
22:43:38 <JGod-P666-15> And SeaMonkey does not do well with multicore as far as I know compared to other browsers who divides themself.
22:44:11 <JGod-P666-15> Sea-Monkey does not do Multicore well, correct? So... as far as I can gather it will just maximise the speed of SeaMonkey.
22:44:28 <JGod-P666-15> I just turned multithreading off in my bios.
22:45:12 <JGod-P666-15> as far as I recall... Sea-Monkey has yet to be maximized for this... so... I'm like, just turn it off and get more power for Sea-monkey.
22:45:41 <NewTobinParadigm> single process xul applications aren't extensively multithreading because multiprocess was prioritized instead and much of the so called efficency and responsiveness comes at a cost of increased interprocess communications and vastly increased attack surface and vectors.. and depending on the state of classic vs modern mozilla code.. multi-process is WORSE than single blocking instance in some cases
22:46:09 <NewTobinParadigm> so please further explore these types of things before going to someone's project channel and just spouting and deeming dude
22:46:25 <JGod-P666-15> Well, how can I benchmark Sea-Monkey?
22:46:38 <JGod-P666-15> I can then test it before and after, with and without the Hypertreading.
22:46:50 <JGod-P666-15> I think I might be on the winning side of this :)
22:47:04 <NewTobinParadigm> synthetic benchmarks only test synthetic conditions
22:47:29 <IanN_Away> https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/22/leap_seconds_discontinued/?td=rt-3a
22:47:54 <NewTobinParadigm> JGod-P666-15: the only way you are on the winning side of this is only if you define winning as failing to prove your case and refusing to surrender. Please don't play those kinds of games..
22:48:13 <JGod-P666-15> Well, whatever nonsense can be spouted. It seems sane that Sea-Monkey would run better with less cores and thereby more powerful cores.
22:48:17 <NewTobinParadigm> i have had a really positive day today
22:48:47 <frg_Away> hyperthreading has nothing to do with mutithreading. I have hyperthreading permanently disabled. Made compiling slower. Depending on you workload it might speed things up but you usually won't notice.
22:48:57 <tomman> JGod-P666-15: eh, SeaMonkey is not multithreaded (aka e10s)
22:49:22 <JGod-P666-15> There you go tomman, why the fuss with all of you.
22:49:29 <NewTobinParadigm> JGod-P666-15: I am speaking to you as not a member of this project but with familarity with it and a deeper than most understanding of the general way the code works especially in this regard cause it has been a constant hot topic
22:49:41 <JGod-P666-15> turn of hyper threading and there you go, x2 the power for each core.
22:50:02 <JGod-P666-15> Well I'm not a programmer, so I'm still keeping sanity here.
22:50:03 <NewTobinParadigm> tomman: there IS some multithreading even in e10s mode and out of e10s mode.. some libs always have been
22:50:30 <frg_Away> Hmm I need to tell SeaMonkey then to not use 107 threads which it does here currently :)
22:50:32 <tomman> having said that, I've never been a fan of hyperthreading (thaaaaanks Intel, but I'll take full cores)
22:50:35 <JGod-P666-15> Well... I'm running 4 cores now instead of 8.
22:50:40 <tomman> but you just live with that
22:50:57 <tomman> half a core is better than no core, I guess
22:51:05 <NewTobinParadigm> JGod-P666-15: so you come in here and try to tell us that as not a programmer you read something that has been copypasta'd for years regardless of the details and complexities of which the statement might be applicable and shove it in these folks faces making something akin to a demand.. what is your aim dude?
22:51:17 <JGod-P666-15> Well, frg_Away, I guess I have to let testing take its toll then.
22:51:44 <IanN_Away> tomman: I prefer warp cores
22:51:46 <JGod-P666-15> No demand, just wondering, we talked about it formerly long time ago.
22:52:11 <JGod-P666-15> So I'm like, why not just turn those extra things off.
22:52:20 <NewTobinParadigm> IanN_Away: multi-modal reflection sorting
22:52:40 <tomman> I'll wait for the JavaScript coprocessor card
22:52:44 <JGod-P666-15> Well, many of the other browsers makes all these... programs, dividing things up.
22:52:54 <JGod-P666-15> seamonkey does not.
22:53:30 <NewTobinParadigm> IanN_Away: you can use that to detect the interactive signals that form the basis of the borg collective which seems to operate on a subspace domain similar to a transporter beam .. bonus points if levar burton is having surgery and you get chief o'brien to show up
22:53:30 <IanN_Away> tomman: I remember 6502 2nd processors
22:53:34 <JGod-P666-15> And I have had issues with speed on seamonkey, so I just wonder if it would not help me out running less mouths.
22:53:39 <frg_Away> Oh 108 threads: https://ibb.co/hfc9j6p
22:53:58 <NewTobinParadigm> it needs MOAR THREADS
22:54:02 <NewTobinParadigm> and NEVER MORE PROCESSES
22:54:15 <JGod-P666-15> well
22:54:24 <NewTobinParadigm> all the threads
22:54:44 <NewTobinParadigm> you need threads to make a tapastry!
22:54:44 <tomman> frg_Away: mine only has 73 threads
22:54:44 <JGod-P666-15> I'll have to test it and see if it feels faster then I guess.
22:54:53 <tomman> need to go to the store to buy more threads
22:54:58 <tomman> maybe some needles too
22:55:04 <NewTobinParadigm> JGod-P666-15: technology doesn't care about your feelings
22:55:32 <tomman> JGod-P666-15: more threads won't fix the problem with modern websites: dozens of megabytes of JavaScript framework vomit
22:55:33 <frg_Away> Well 3 processes would be nice. One for Chrome, one for gpu and one for content. Everything else is overkill and just complicate things.
22:55:38 <NewTobinParadigm> that is why you should never turn your life over to it
22:55:47 <tomman> fix webdev, not browsers
22:55:57 <tomman> alas, that ship has sailed :/
22:56:02 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: how much fucking pain was it when they added OOPP
22:56:08 <frg_Away> Not sure if the Windows scheduler puts the threads on different cores.
22:56:09 <NewTobinParadigm> and ever since then ipc has been utter horseshit
22:56:28 <NewTobinParadigm> if i had the ability I'd get rid of ipc completely, plugins would be in process, and yeah
22:56:36 <NewTobinParadigm> i want that chromium code out of MY codebase
22:56:45 <NewTobinParadigm> oOo
22:56:48 <NewTobinParadigm> that
22:56:54 <NewTobinParadigm> my codebase
22:57:09 <IanN_Away> windows scales better than it used to, but other OSes mostly do it better
22:57:16 <NewTobinParadigm> that may the the first time I have said that without thinking about it before hand
22:57:22 <JGod-P666-15> Well on Windows 7...
22:57:28 <IanN_Away> frg_Away: bring back OS/2?
22:57:40 <JGod-P666-15> hmm I can preoritize Seamonkey 2, that should give it some more juice I guess.
22:57:53 <JGod-P666-15> Anyone knows the last setting, if that is any good, realtime???
22:58:01 <NewTobinParadigm> hell i can't even fork 1.9.2 it has ipc
22:58:28 <NewTobinParadigm> i think i'd literally have to go to 1.8.1 or 1.9.0 to get a PURE codebase to fork
22:58:50 <JGod-P666-15> tomman I'm talking about less threads, turning off hyper treading not getting more.
22:59:02 <tomman> wat
22:59:07 <tomman> that's now how threads work!
22:59:12 * tomman signs out
22:59:16 <NewTobinParadigm> hey.. anyone remember how to compile 1.9.0 and 1.8.1?
22:59:50 <NewTobinParadigm> we will just throw the past 15 years away like a bad dream and start back at xpfe
22:59:54 <frg_Away> IanN_Away That ship has sailed like everything IBM did. Not enough years left for me to see it becoming great again even if they restarted it now. Decommissioned my OS/2 hardware last year and now only in a vm.
23:00:11 <IanN_Away> frg_Away: CP/M then? :P
23:00:12 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: TELL ME HOW TO MAKE OS/2 WORK IN A VM
23:00:14 <NewTobinParadigm> DO IT NOW
23:00:30 <NewTobinParadigm> i mean
23:00:35 <NewTobinParadigm> please when you get time...........
23:00:39 <tomman> VirtualBox supports it... more or less
23:00:45 <NewTobinParadigm> but i use vmware
23:00:48 <JGod-P666-15> frg_Away you fixed the restore feature yet, so no one loses any tabs? I just lost a bunch in Opera.... Like no browser have a safety for this.
23:00:56 <JGod-P666-15> I just installed windows 2000 pro by the way :)
23:01:16 <NewTobinParadigm> JGod-P666-15: yeah.. i been doing that since 1999
23:01:17 <JGod-P666-15> I have 2 processors in the SlimClient.
23:01:18 <NewTobinParadigm> literally
23:01:31 <NewTobinParadigm> i install windows 2000 once a year since I got vmware
23:01:36 <NewTobinParadigm> around version 5
23:01:41 <NewTobinParadigm> 4 maybe
23:01:53 <NewTobinParadigm> i might have been on windows 2000 at the time
23:01:55 <NewTobinParadigm> still
23:01:56 <JGod-P666-15> Well, this is without.... directly to the machine.
23:02:12 <NewTobinParadigm> i know how to make a win2k wim
23:02:29 <JGod-P666-15> I just got the graphics somewhat working, at least the 2D
23:02:38 <NewTobinParadigm> using /makelocalsource and bootmgr to chain to setupldr which replaces with ntldr during blue text mode
23:02:53 <NewTobinParadigm> windows is easy in vmware
23:02:56 <JGod-P666-15> dunno, not a programmer
23:03:04 <NewTobinParadigm> lrn2code
23:03:06 <JGod-P666-15> Just a stupid user.
23:03:09 <NewTobinParadigm> lrn2code
23:03:40 <JGod-P666-15> It took me days to get passed the installation issue of windows 2000, just stalled or gave me the blue screen.
23:04:01 <frg_Away> NewTobinParadigm well you use Acronis to clone you harddisk and put it in virtualbox: https://ibb.co/xS9NNfh
23:04:06 <JGod-P666-15> took me 3 days to get more then 640*480 in resolution... 7 hours ago or so, I got it sorted.
23:04:19 <NewTobinParadigm> i spent 36 hours copying files from a zip disk cause i forgot to start smartdrv once hen i had to do it on a laptop without an optical drive
23:04:35 <NewTobinParadigm> windows setup sat there for 36 hours copying files
23:04:48 <JGod-P666-15> Absolute Linux is actually very close to windows 2000 in interface.
23:04:55 <tomman> I should really test OS/2 someday
23:04:58 <JGod-P666-15> It's based on some kind of....
23:05:12 <tomman> how well it runs on early 2000s-era IBMs?
23:05:20 <tomman> have a T40 and a Thinkcentre M50 here
23:05:31 <JGod-P666-15> https://www.absolutelinux.org
23:05:34 <JGod-P666-15> low resources
23:05:37 <JGod-P666-15> try it out.
23:05:42 <JGod-P666-15> for old machines
23:05:53 <JGod-P666-15> just need seamonkey
23:06:15 <JGod-P666-15> I think the user must have been a former w2k user.
23:06:22 <JGod-P666-15> or the creator of the Linux Distro
23:06:37 <JGod-P666-15> he also have a smart live, easy install and all.
23:06:47 <JGod-P666-15> remembers its settings as well... persistant.
23:07:40 <JGod-P666-15> I don't know why he would not have SeaMonkey on it... Maybe it is not created for this Linux thing.
23:07:50 <JGod-P666-15> he have 3 other browsers by default in it.
23:08:33 <frg_Away> tomman OS/2 last good was the T42 maybe T43. Real hardware around 2003. Used the smp version with the early dual xeons. Asus P2B-D P3 and for the Xeons the NCCH-DL. Supermicro X6Dxx also ok but needs much tweaking. Best cards are ATI X800 and 9800. 850 oney have problems with the dos box.
23:09:12 <tomman> both IBMs here are from 2003, although the Thinkcentre has been beefed up with a HD2600
23:09:20 <JGod-P666-15> I have bought a SlimClient, it runs on 3-7 watts power! :)
23:09:34 <JGod-P666-15> Comes with WES7
23:09:46 <JGod-P666-15> now running Windows 2000, although still working on it.
23:10:14 <JGod-P666-15> I have freed it with a WES7 vanilla
23:10:21 <JGod-P666-15> and released the key
23:10:34 <JGod-P666-15> and updated the installation with ICE tool
23:10:40 <JGod-P666-15> and found all the drivers for it updated.
23:10:53 <JGod-P666-15> and nearly slipstreamed all of the drivers and updates with installation.
23:11:15 <JGod-P666-15> have taken me weeks.
23:11:20 <frg_Away> tomman an X1300 was the last card supposed to work but I over got one wirking in a T60. Can do vesa only and I never tried this.
23:11:27 <JGod-P666-15> all those loop wholes from MegaSucks.
23:12:27 <JGod-P666-15> If you guys need a cheap low resource machine, you can get a Dell N03D I have the updates and all for futher "easy" setup.
23:12:34 <JGod-P666-15> 3-7 watts.
23:13:02 <JGod-P666-15> I don't think you can get much lower in watts....
23:13:54 <JGod-P666-15> It can do up to 16GB RAM, yet 8 GB should be more then enough as the CPU is to slow to really use up more, at least it takes it toll so a Swap file should be fine for the rest....
23:14:01 <JGod-P666-15> 2 kernels.
23:14:08 <JGod-P666-15> No fan
23:14:20 <JGod-P666-15> and 1 usb 3.0 plug and 3 usb 2.0
23:15:47 <JGod-P666-15> here it is the 3290 version: https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/wyse/3030/
23:16:02 <JGod-P666-15> You can extract the legal WES7 key from it with a tool.
23:16:23 <frg_Away> And old Intel Graphics and Celeron. Both thinks to pass :)
23:16:28 <JGod-P666-15> If anyone wants help on it, to try it out... I'm here.
23:16:47 <JGod-P666-15> frg_Away 3-7 watts.
23:17:40 <JGod-P666-15> Sure, it does not run quick quick quick... but... I need to go off grid and have someone low using electricity.
23:17:43 <frg_Away> These usually use an slic 2.1 oem key and not a real key
23:18:00 <JGod-P666-15> frg_Away key working with WES7 64 and 32 bit
23:18:04 <JGod-P666-15> :)
23:18:31 <frg_Away> yes on any Dell using the same slic but not on a different system.
23:18:53 <JGod-P666-15> frg_Away I have weeks on work on my WES7 installation and drivers, I have it all - if anyone needs it.
23:19:04 <frg_Away> If it has an slic 2.1 you could even use Windows Ultimate 7 with it.
23:19:06 <JGod-P666-15> I have not tested if the key works on other things.
23:19:21 <JGod-P666-15> I can only install WES7 systems with the key.
23:19:39 <JGod-P666-15> 32 bit and 64bit works
23:20:01 <JGod-P666-15> I have not tested the key on OTHER computers.
23:20:18 <JGod-P666-15> I have tested the key on other systems on the slim device and only the WES 32 and 64 works.
23:20:29 <JGod-P666-15> I have NOT
23:20:31 <JGod-P666-15> tested
23:20:44 <JGod-P666-15> then on the slim device... oh I'm getting tired apparently.
23:20:48 <JGod-P666-15> making to many mistakes here.
23:21:13 <JGod-P666-15> WES7 32 and 64 bit vanilla works on the Slim Client.
23:21:25 <JGod-P666-15> I extracted the key from the locked Dell system
23:21:33 <JGod-P666-15> with an application
23:21:57 <JGod-P666-15> As my Home Prem version does not work on other things as it is locked on the hardware
23:22:05 <JGod-P666-15> So...
23:22:38 <JGod-P666-15> But the Slim Client is cheap, you get a legit key for WES7 and it is without a Fan and it is very low powerusage.
23:22:51 <JGod-P666-15> 3-7 watts usually.
23:23:15 <JGod-P666-15> if you are really pressing it you can some times reach +10 watts but very seldom.
23:23:58 <JGod-P666-15> Anyway.... I'm here for help if anyone wanna look into it, I've used weeks to gather the drivers and update the WES7, slipstreaming most of it.
23:24:20 <JGod-P666-15> hack the planet....
23:24:46 <JGod-P666-15> So I'm been looking into low resource linux systems as well, and at the moment trying to get windows 2000 up and running...
23:25:19 <JGod-P666-15> Will be a project that will take weeks so... I don't know.
23:25:49 <JGod-P666-15> At the moment Windows 2000 does not see my 2 kernels and my 16 gb of RAM is not used.
23:25:59 <JGod-P666-15> The sound does not work yet...
23:26:19 <JGod-P666-15> The graphic now works for 2D at least giving me the option of high resolution.
23:26:48 <JGod-P666-15> although this is somewhat of a secondary hack thing for old unsurported graphics.
23:26:58 <frg_Away> It uses the Intel HD Graphics and the drivers for Windows are crap unfortunately. I own a Thinkpad x201 with the same card and it is working but has it share of problems. Might be better suited for Linux. Moved to the X230 and the HD4000 because of graphics problems in Virtual box.
23:26:59 <frg_Away> As for key checking I use https://github.com/Superfly-Inc/ShowKeyPlus/releases.
23:27:09 <JGod-P666-15> but better then running 6480*680
23:28:33 <JGod-P666-15> frg_Away I'll take a look on the app, I found the free option of: https://www.magicaljellybean.com/
23:28:47 <JGod-P666-15> started out with something costing money and ended up....
23:29:03 <JGod-P666-15> well... I did wrong... very bad of me.
23:29:17 <JGod-P666-15> But I found the free option afterwards.
23:29:50 <JGod-P666-15> and maybe your solution is another free alternative, I will have a look, might be better to added that to the portable app collection I am making.
23:30:56 <JGod-P666-15> frg_Away But just not easy to find a low power usage computer running on 12 volts, and it needs to run off my battery which it does now.
23:31:11 <JGod-P666-15> Runs from the Car plug in the battery :)
23:31:23 <JGod-P666-15> and the battery heals by the solar panels.
23:31:36 <JGod-P666-15> although not that much.... worst conditions really...
23:31:49 <JGod-P666-15> but I will need to use things less.
23:32:52 <JGod-P666-15> But in any case if anyone wanted to buy one of the devices and have a project... I can help on a lot of things, so you get a fully updated WES7 quickly.
23:32:55 <JGod-P666-15> and drivers
23:32:57 <frg_Away> At least the older Thinkpads have a car adapter too.
23:33:19 <JGod-P666-15> Dunno.... I'm looking into a low resource screen as well.
23:33:26 <JGod-P666-15> seems ASUS AH might be the way to go.
23:33:34 <JGod-P666-15> says around 3-4 watts I think.
23:35:04 <JGod-P666-15> In any case, we will see how it goes on Windows 2000 on this slim device as the weeks go.
23:35:36 <JGod-P666-15> also need to test AHCI vs.... that other thing.
23:36:41 <JGod-P666-15> IDE!
23:37:00 <JGod-P666-15> I will need to test if there really is any difference, I don't think there will be much of a differnce.
23:37:19 <JGod-P666-15> but will try to install windows 7 with IDE and test it vs my WES7 with AHCI
23:37:31 <JGod-P666-15> but.... overall... it is SSD disks.
23:37:54 <JGod-P666-15> so I don't think it really matters much beside IDE is able to make older systems run like Windows 2000
23:38:11 <JGod-P666-15> Not been able to install w2k with AHCI...
23:38:26 <JGod-P666-15> I guess I need a A drive as, at least the slip does not seem to work.
23:38:38 <JGod-P666-15> anyone know if one can make a USB work as a old Disk drive?
23:38:46 <JGod-P666-15> tricking the installation maybe?
23:39:55 <JGod-P666-15> i found something called VESA drivers for the w2k for 2d graphics
23:40:45 <frg_Away> Thrre is a big difference if you use an SSD. Also for normal use much better and lower cpu usage. If it has an slic 2.1 I would put a regular Win 7 x64 Pro on it. Just needs to generic dell oem key and cert. MS might not approve but you can always buy a oem license cheap and tack it on. WES7 is a bit limited.
23:41:29 <JGod-P666-15> Well... I have the WES7 key and system now... so...
23:41:52 <JGod-P666-15> Not much of a difference overall...
23:42:46 <JGod-P666-15> Well, IDE or AHCI.... is the options to chose from. I will test it out at some point with the same kind of SSD and see the result.
23:45:52 <frg_Away> search for slic activation. Prior to 8 no unique keys were embedded in the bios. You could even activate a server license this way for free. One reason MS got rid of it with 8 and slic 3.0.
23:46:48 <JGod-P666-15> usb is apparently 3.1 and not 3.0
23:47:14 <JGod-P666-15> ....
23:47:16 <JGod-P666-15> dunno...
23:47:25 <JGod-P666-15> I just got the key extracted.
23:47:36 <JGod-P666-15> I would think the key is unique.
23:47:46 <JGod-P666-15> for every single Slim client of this kind.
23:48:00 <JGod-P666-15> you download the Dell system and then extract the key before it locks the system.
23:48:21 <frg_Away> nope not for 7.
23:54:13 <frg_Away> Bios had an slic 2.1 marker in the acpi table. You add the generic dell cert and generic serial via slmgr.vbs and if all 3 match Windows activates without internet access. They still od it for the servers this way. slic 2.2 is Server 2012 till 2.6 2022
23:59:04 <JGod-P666-15> well I would not expect to get the same key extracted if I do it on another Dell of the same kind.