14:08:29 <njsg> «Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled»
14:08:32 <njsg> uh?
14:09:25 <njsg> ... wait, it does render with javascript? not a blank page!?
14:13:25 <tomman> njsg: it renders, but as soon as it detect that your browser does not fit The Vision™, it will self-sabotage itself by killing scrolling and clickable links
14:13:44 <tomman> supposedly it renders without JS, but only if your UA is from a bot
14:14:57 <tomman> in Ye Olde Times there was a rumor that visiting Dischorse with a Googlebot UA would even unlock pagination!
19:18:36 <neko_the_gamer> YESS!!! YESS!!! I MANAGED TO SOLVE THE ENDLESS ISSUES REGARDING MAIL & NEWSGROUPS!!!!!
19:19:03 <neko_the_gamer> my dumb self discovered i had to use OAuth2 and not the normal password as an authentication method
19:19:24 <tomman> welcome to the Googlenet
19:19:38 <neko_the_gamer> yeah i used gmail
19:19:44 <neko_the_gamer> thank god finally
19:19:45 <tomman> I ended creating an app-specific pass for Gmail instead
19:19:54 <tomman> but that required me to enable 2FA auth
19:20:09 <neko_the_gamer> it's what i had too until now, but that was tremendous
19:20:16 <tomman> and rely on the weaksauce mobile networks of my country since I refuse to install authenticator apps
19:20:49 <neko_the_gamer> i had to put that password everytime i wanted to use SM mail and it got severely annoying after a while
19:20:56 <neko_the_gamer> but finally i solved it!!!!!!!!!
19:21:05 <neko_the_gamer> i'm so happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:21:09 <neko_the_gamer> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
19:21:17 <tomman> awesome~
19:54:26 <tomman> https://www.whec.com/national-world/district-attorney-1-dead-16-injured-after-suv-crashes-into-apple-store-in-massachusetts/ this site is cute
19:54:48 <tomman> block the crapware JS bits (using an adblocker or DNS blocks) and the site won't render the actual contents
19:54:54 <tomman> "Failed to successfully load all aggregators. Aborting..."
19:55:16 <tomman> for once this is not SeaMonkey's fault, or even a site wanting Chromeisms, as it fails also on FF91ESR
19:55:57 <tomman> normally I would get a "would you please disable your adblocker pretty please?" warning, or a nasty stackdump because of some unsupported Chromeism
19:56:12 <tomman> Instead...
19:56:16 <tomman> Failed to successfully load all aggregators. Aborting...
19:56:18 <tomman> ChunkLoadError: Loading chunk 552 failed.
19:56:19 <tomman> (error: https://js-agent.newrelic.com/552.2d6a2503-1220.js)
19:56:46 <tomman> (js-agent.newrelic.com is blocked by my DNS blocklists, and it's a common crapware found on many websites out there)
20:14:41 <neko_the_gamer> jesus why don't web developers test/make their site to work on Gecko??!?!?!?
20:15:18 <neko_the_gamer> i don't care the majority of the marketplace is with Blink they have to realize a minority withe Gecko exists!
20:15:29 <neko_the_gamer> and we get left out like this
20:15:35 <neko_the_gamer> this is so annoying
20:23:12 <njsg> it's more like, why do some insist on only supporting very specific browsers or engines
20:23:27 <njsg> this is oh so much against what the web should and what it was meant to be
20:24:14 <neko_the_gamer> what about the open web?
20:24:16 <njsg> we should be seeing a protocol and markup language where your handheld candybar GSM radio endpoint could show page content, even if in a different fashion from a game console hooked up to a PAL CRT TV
20:24:20 <neko_the_gamer> *open*
20:24:26 <neko_the_gamer> **open**
20:24:59 <neko_the_gamer> njsg: yeah i agree
20:25:23 <njsg> instead we have "you're not chrome/chromium/blink, fuck off", we have "by design you can't parse the content, it's rendered/fetched/... by scripts", and the like
20:25:54 <neko_the_gamer> you're right, i don't like the direction most internet companies are taking...
20:26:16 <neko_the_gamer> i want to be in an open future, not a closed one...
20:26:52 <njsg> this gets to that extreme where somebody here pointed out some seemed (on ycombinator news?) to be even unaware that you could serve content on html over http...
20:27:20 <njsg> there's both people actively making their tools and systems selective, and people who end up contributing to that because they're not aware of the damage they're doing
20:28:09 <njsg> and the clueless part? well, it *is* present in some places. Cloudflare seemed to have trouble figuring out they were requiring a header most browsers probably don't include in requests...
20:29:40 <njsg> neko_the_gamer: one thing is not testing, the other is the way some react to anyone daring to use anything but ${BROWSER_THEY_USE}
20:34:49 <neko_the_gamer> njsg: i mean that's not really the problem since honestly browsers are irrelevant, the rendering engine is most important thought since it's what occupies to render the websites properly!
20:35:15 <neko_the_gamer> in fact i hate chrome fanboys
20:35:23 <neko_the_gamer> or google fanboys in general
20:35:33 <neko_the_gamer> and same for girls too
20:35:59 <njsg> neko_the_gamer: with an app password, you should be able to get M&N to remember it, although you'll need to enter it twice, one for incoming server, another for outgoing server.
20:37:00 <njsg> tomman: is that supposed to have a video? I only get two paragraphs (the whec.com (NBC? - at least features the peacock) link)
20:37:17 <neko_the_gamer> njsg: i remember actually i had to put (and make) two app passwords for the two email accounts i wanted to use
23:09:25 <neko_the_gamer> oh damnit i missed the status meeting on the 20th
23:09:49 <neko_the_gamer> is there gonna be a new one?