anyone notice that 2.53.14 process doesn't exit when you Quit?

hyc no works. If you use NoScript 5.19 takes 8 seconds.

hyc: which platform? any specific site?

plain old x86-64 linux

I've got a dozen tabs open, not sure if it's site dependent

hyc: so question one is what frg said: does it eventually terminate? if not, then see if you can reproduce if you start it anew and don't open any site, if possible try also with a different, blank profile

yeah will try with a blank profile

it's possible for the seamonkey process to get in a state where it doesn't terminate, after visiting some site, possibly triggered by features the visited page uses, and that might have been fixed meanwhile (I'm not sure I know how to reliably reproduce this...)

njsg: oh, I've had that happen too in very rare occasions

Had this with older seamonkey releases (some early 2.53.x versions) but not with recent ones.

yep, like session.json getting "corrupted", that's one of those "once in a blue moon" hard to replicate biugs

thankfully it happens to me like.. once or twice a year?

at least sometimes that'd also go in hand with CPU usage, so the process would not terminate and would be using CPU

new blank profile exits cleanly

To me it happened everytime I was closing seamonkey. But only with said early 2.53.x versions.

but it's also possible something else is going on, say, if you're using a window manager that somehow hid a SeaMonkey window

I've only seen anything like that rarely, but I don't really run many web page scripts in my main profile

fresh start with my original profile exited cleanly. maybe all the tabs hand't loaded yet

njsg: depends if 56 including patches is still vulnerable to ghost windows most notedly with sites like youtube.com and github.com specifically

where some script likely spawning a worker stays spinning and leaking memory LONG LONG LONG after you closed the tab or winder

eventually leading to increasing cpu usage for no raisin and gigs of ram

over some hours mind you

not something like some OTHER sites that bog the main thread down and it takes minutes for it to fully release

UXP and the Aura Runtime Environment is subject to the ghost window issue

and there seems to be no /easy/ solution without undesirable refactoring or just living with it.. My solution? A restart menu item.. fuck it realities of the life I have chosen lol

frg_Away njsg JamminUnit tomman

add other bs like noscript which is Known to Cause Issues(tm) and those fun fun nsLayout dom spidermonkey appshell docshell and xre plus xpcom all being special snowflakes on shutdown and seamonkey session store being not as .. solid as virtually the same code was 10 years ago due to surrounding changes in untested conditions because Mozilla never tests anything but firefox and seems like that hasn't been true in any tangible sense since the

plandemic

sigh... mozilla focusing down to firefox was such a gross decision

Mozilla made a buttload of bad decisions in the last couple of years.

JamminUnit: only the last COUPLE of years.

hyc: It would have been far better and more productive if they continued to embrace true diversity and independant thought that created all this shit and we all work together in common cause for the betterment of us all.. but nop communist dystopia is super fuckin trendy so nop

so those of us that can be fuckin bothered to put up a fight do so and continue in whatever vision they see fit in total resistance to what Mozilla has done

dystopia yes, but I think it was more capitalist than communist

NewTobinParadigm: at least the last ten years. Better? :D

and that will only ever get us so far.. but i am gonna see JUST how far.

try 2006 on with the users starting to feel it in 2008

comm certainly did

i was witness

but yeah, seamonkey still degrades over time, after hours or days it starts getting nonresponsive, CPU use goes over 100%, and then I do a quit and all the windows close but the process is still alive

I suppose I can try to snapshot this profile and save the set of tabs, then try closing other tabs 1 by 1

the worst issues in seamonkey from a day to day user perspective I see is the mailnews composer and the virtual pointlessness in this day and age to keep shipping the composer component.. as long as SeaMonkey is still proper xul the editor UI bits specific to seamonkey could easily be made into an extension and given to the comm..unity to maintain from then on and eliminate a bit of barely serving a point maintaince burdon

why is that pointless? I mean, I use it every day to compose emails

of course for Borealis i ditched mailnews component and when I did Interlink I used thunderbird but thunderbird's appcode has different issues despite it nearly all working 100%

the composer as in the html editor

composer is the pseudo-common component/product name for that bit

Navigator, MailNews, Composer, Inspector (DOMi), irc (Chatzilla), etc

heh

my mozhistory is second to some

now the common bits ui wise for the editor component which the backend bits are used across the board the UI bits are comm-specific now..

therube: ebureht

helo NewTobinParadigm. what means ebureht ?

therube: read it backwards

how are you dude lol

heh. i laugh cause i tried that 1st., but it just didn't click.

HEY frg_Away MARK YOUR CALENDAR.. I ADMITTED THAT WHILE MY MOZHISTORY IS AWESOME THERE MIGHT EXIST SOME WITH SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE

You know.. JUST CAUSE it doesn't get super cold in the south for half of fall, winter, and half of spring doesn't mean it doesn't EVER GET COLD HERE AND WHY WINDOWS SHOULD HAVE A HALFWAY DECENT R-VALUE

i picked up a 20 dollar space heater cause these .. it is like they aren't even there some nights when it gets cold

NewTobinParadigm I leave speculation about superior knowledge to the deity of the day :) As for composer it is still in use and as long as it does not cause major grief maintaining it it can stay. Spilltting it into an extension takes time and knowledge. I am short on both and so are we as a group unfortunately.

i still want to do a standalone composer and attempt to bring in features from kompozer and bluegriffin

frg_Away: i wonder how much of a burdon mailnews core and co are on efficency if those bits of the code are never accessed and the service contracts aren't registered

i also wonder if I can register a factory for a binary xpcom component in javascript.

if you want to turn off mailnews, why aren't you jsut using firefox? i use seamonkey to have mailnews+browser

As far as I see it not much. I have my mail in a separate vm with SeaMonkey. My daily browser is not using mail parts and I don't see any allocations for it in about memory. A crap site like ebay uses more resources in a second or two. I really love the mail and browser integration where I use it and if SeaMonkey ever goes down I will migrate to Vivaldi.

oh, never heard of them

freeware but not open source? too bad

Well source is published but not daily. tarballs only I think. You could probably fork it. One or two times I thought about it ripping out copyrighted parts and slapping the SeaMonkey theme on it. It is the closest thing to SM I have seen yet in the Chromium world.

> If you don't know what this is all about don't bother. All is well.

Count me in that group. A /little/ explanation might have helped ;-).

is seamonkey only in english?

seriously?

therube as stated if you don't compile yourself don't bother :)

neko_the_gamer no available in 23 languages

neko_the_gamer: pick your language, seamonkey-project.org/releases

therube oh... how do i download the version with the language i need if it's gonna erase my data on seamonkey right now?

is there a way to back up it?

neko_the_gamer Changing languages will not erase anything. You can back up your profile.

how do i back up my profile?

frg_Away

Locate the profile folder (There is also a Open Folder Button/link in Help->Troubleshooting information) then close SeaMonkey and use you favorite archiver or backup tool.

frg_Away can't i copy the folder?

yes you can

and also i don't personally know any backup tool

I usually use just zip -r to do it.

neko_the_gamer: just zip the entire folder

and copy that zip to somewhere safe

in fact even if everything works fine, get used to do regular backups of your profile dir just in case

as part of your regular backups policy (you DO make backups, right?)

aight i'll try

if i start messaging again here it worked

having said that, switching languages will not touch your profile, in fact, that has been supported since the Early Times

tomman oh so i can install the italian version on top of the regular download i'm using right now?

neko_the_gamer: you don't even need to reinstall, just install the separate langpack (available on the releases page if you scroll down a bit), and switch them at will from Edit->Preferences

you can have as many langpacks as you wish.

frg_Away: do langpacks autoupdate too, or do I need to keep track of those for releases?

tomman ohhhhhhhh i'm so stupid

neko_the_gamer: alternatively you can uninstall your current version, and install the new one in your language

be aware that uninstalling it won't touch/delete your profile either

so that's a perfectly safe operation to do too

tomman they do not auto update currently. usually I prefer the full installer. less hassle.

tomman nah i'll prob need to have to languages at hand in case i need them

also how do i install language packs?

tomman

neko_the_gamer: download the language pack and save it to your machine (it will be an .xpi file)

then File->Open file.., locate the .xpi file

confirm the install prompt

then follow the following instructions to activate it: seamonkey-project.org/releases/langpack-notes/2.0

activated

if you go that way, remember that you will need to manually update your langpacks every time there is a new SeaMonkey release (since langpacks won't autoupdate)

otherwise you will notice weird bugs, or your interface will revert to English (or whatever else)

ok, at least it's not that hard to do

anyway i activated the langpack, now i just have to restart seamonkey right?

tomman they should deactive themselves and fall back to en-US / full installer lnguage. Strict version check.

neko_the_gamer: yeah, you need to restart it so the new langpack kicks in

back

btw i have a question: is there a tracker blocker addon for seamonkey?

hello?

anyone?

neko_the_gamer: I'm not familiar with tracker blocker addons since I do all my junk-blocking DNS-side

damn

it's possible? i can't imagine the process behind it...

If you use NoScript and uBlock usually not much left tracking you.

is there a way to get picture in picture mode for videos in Seamonkey?

i need answers pls

picture in picture is not yet supported

guys is there a way to get picture in picture mode for videos in Seamonkey?

picture in picture is not yet supported

what the hell is "picture in picture" and why web browsers have to support it now?

tomman picture in picture is essentially being able to put a video in a small window that can be dragged around the monitor

useful for people with one screen

oh

and here is where this dinosaur comes and says "just open your video on VLC/mpv"

Can see the usecase, but I'm still of the idea that videos do not belong to web browsers, but I digress

yeah honestly i should install mpv

if i'm looking to move to seamonkey full time

mpv+yt-dl(p) gives the superior experience for streaming video

as a bonus, you spare the experience of YouTube Comments™

and YouTube UI Experiments®

tomman yt-dl? what is that?

if it's a linux command i can't use it i'm on windows :P

it's a separate program that mpv uses to be able to stream videos from YouTube (among other places)

and it's also available for Windows

how to install?

tomman

nvm found out

you just throw both executables on the same folder and you're set

tomman the yt-dl and mpv?

in a different folder from what they were installed? together?

also i can't drag yt link onto mpv ;-;

*links