00:06:08 <JesusGod-Pope666> Could that be done? Make multiple Bak saving points? like 01.Bak 02.bak and so forth.... Maybe a date put on them as well for the last closing save.
00:06:48 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like sessionstore01-2022Nov06.bak
00:07:06 <JesusGod-Pope666> sessionstore02-2022Nov07.bak
00:07:11 <JesusGod-Pope666> Maybe time with it as well.
00:07:32 <JesusGod-Pope666> sessionstore02-2022Nov07-11:20:54.bak
00:07:37 <JesusGod-Pope666> or something of that nature.
00:08:25 <JesusGod-Pope666> And have 10 backups in total... When it gets to 10, let it return to 01 or 00, whatever number suits you.
00:09:11 <JesusGod-Pope666> At least it would make on able to go back, even if one have cleaned some of the backups. usually you have sorted out you have an issue before starting up the browser 10 times :)
00:13:27 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like the history on tabs... just have a history on all Tabs feature! :)
00:13:32 <JesusGod-Pope666> That would be nice
00:13:50 <JesusGod-Pope666> I guess there are different ways to do it really.
00:14:04 <JesusGod-Pope666> 3 ways for now, I can see it could be incorperated.
00:14:23 <JesusGod-Pope666> But maybe the easiest is using what you already have programmed and just make multiple save point and not only one.
00:14:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> Just make it make more save point files then one, and we should at least be so far....
00:14:57 <JesusGod-Pope666> It's better then nothing!
00:15:04 <JesusGod-Pope666> much better then nothing! ;)
00:26:23 <JesusGod-Pope666> hmm still living... I think I ahve opened 400 tabs.
00:26:38 <JesusGod-Pope666> very sad... I had a lot of tabs I needed....
00:26:52 <JesusGod-Pope666> I guess I can go through all of the tabs I had opened... the clicking game of the Devil.
00:30:52 <JesusGod-Pope666> A color code for a Tab that makes sounds would also be nice by the way.
00:31:10 <JesusGod-Pope666> And if you have more of the same, to light up with a color code as well.
00:31:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> when passsing it.
00:31:22 <JesusGod-Pope666> passing it.
00:33:39 <JesusGod-Pope666> would be helpfl.
00:33:43 <JesusGod-Pope666> helpful.
01:31:54 <JesusGod-Pope666> so far so good
12:27:11 <JesusGod-Pope666> You know.... XMPP would be a nice thing so the text would not be gone
12:27:20 <JesusGod-Pope666> Works very well I think.
12:27:53 <JesusGod-Pope666> thats really the bad thing about IRC, is that you cannot see the text before you enter.
14:07:45 <tomman> someone forgot how client software works?
14:26:24 <CaptainTobin> tomman: he forgot how brains work.
14:28:04 <CaptainTobin> he is obviously a troll or really really stupid no actual techie would advocate for completely portable non-bound software citing traditional sanity then go on a bout how IRC is terrible
14:28:24 <CaptainTobin> either way not worth the time we already expended
14:28:30 <frg_Away> Guys let it rest or use a private chat room. Kindergarten time is over!
14:29:09 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: as soon as you give me th 25 letters and numbers of the enlish alphabet in order!
14:29:18 <CaptainTobin> seriously tho
14:29:20 <CaptainTobin> understood
14:29:32 <CaptainTobin> how goes it frg_Away
14:30:01 <CaptainTobin> I am chilly so i am building the codebase to warm up
14:30:50 <frg_Away> swamped with real life and SeaMonkey life stuff. Might take a bottle of beer later and take the evening off watching a bad movie or two.
14:47:02 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: when I started altering moz.build to serve my needs I think I will change moz.build to Makefile.ni (to go along side Makefile.in the few there are) and do include build files as whatever.km vs whatever.mk
14:50:09 <frg_Away> Personally I would advise against it. You end up with a build system as cryptic as the one from mozilla and only one man understanding it.
14:51:01 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: the build system has been one of the primary focuses in my journey for eight years now .. it is mine to command!
14:52:43 <CaptainTobin> I eventually want to replace the build system tho.. with either a pure updated autohell or something else but this fucked up mixture of 20 years ago and last week .. that is fine for the codebase but not the thing that builds the codebase
14:53:46 <CaptainTobin> there are just too many languages involved.. shell m4 perl python gyp and it keeps going
14:54:07 <CaptainTobin> too many languages too many dependancies JUST TO SCRIPT THE BUILD PROCESS
14:55:09 <CaptainTobin> but mozbuild is fairly mature now the key target is still mozconfigure as an unmaintainable mess
14:55:17 <CaptainTobin> ac configure i understand.
14:55:28 <CaptainTobin> mostly does anyone ever fully understand fuckin m4
14:56:43 <CaptainTobin> mozbuild advancements i have looked into involve more stupidity and python 3
14:56:47 <CaptainTobin> or is that redundant
14:57:04 <CaptainTobin> so i see no reason not to do as i see fit with it
14:58:47 <frg_Away> yeah I thought about ripping out stuff but I think the would be a lifetime journey with no end in sight. So just kicked mobile and taskcluster and telemetry whenever I find the time.
14:59:11 <CaptainTobin> well each journey is different
15:00:05 <CaptainTobin> btw tho it won't be much practical direct help.. here is literally a makefile refresher course from my gre-packager work lol http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/runtime/packager/base.mk
15:00:06 <CaptainTobin> http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/runtime/packager/packager.mk
15:00:06 <CaptainTobin> http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/runtime/packager/installer.mk
15:00:44 <CaptainTobin> designed to be included in a built up state
15:01:00 <CaptainTobin> the base.. then our packaging or do your own.. our installer or do your own
15:01:26 <CaptainTobin> http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/apps/navigator/installer/Makefile.in
15:01:28 <CaptainTobin> heh
15:01:42 <CaptainTobin> i eliminated a bunch of mozredundancy tho you still rely on it
15:02:14 <CaptainTobin> but still there ARE makefiles still around and a good refreshing simple example that isn't pseudo-code is nice to have and luckily i ended up with one to reference
15:08:41 <CaptainTobin> also frg_Away I thought of that too which is why I been doing passes on the build files to standardize order and format and clean them up
15:09:02 <CaptainTobin> many are virtually the same file that was script converted in 2014
15:14:50 <CaptainTobin> http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/runtime/components/registry/moz.build
15:14:56 <CaptainTobin> that is a really nice moz.build file
15:15:11 <CaptainTobin> and typical of most nothing super complicated and cleaner than when I found it
15:17:49 <CaptainTobin> I'm gonna drop support for compressing jar files at least as far as omnijar goes..
15:28:27 <hardys> WG9s: server www.wg9s.com seems down for a few hours now :(
15:29:39 <frg_Away> hardys Bill is out of town. I bet he will fix it fast when he is back.
15:31:12 <hardys> I know, but i wanted to let him know, if he is listening
15:31:31 <hardys> Thanks anyway
15:32:53 <frg_Away> hardy thanks for the heads-up
15:33:50 <hardys> no problem schönen Filmabend :)
16:10:42 <tonymec|away> IanN_Away: frg_Away : down for everyone or just me? "Connection refused when attempting to contact www.wg9s.com"
16:11:03 <frg_Away> hi for everyone
16:11:09 <frg_Away> see log
16:16:02 <tonymec|away> frg_Away: er, sorry, where is the log? Not mentioned in the channel title.
16:16:25 <frg_Away> https://ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/seamonkey/
16:16:42 <frg_Away> Also on the website in supports.
16:16:49 <tonymec|away> frg_Away: tx, let's see...
16:21:21 <tonymec|away> I must be cross-eyed, it was just a few inches above the bottom. Too bad it happens only when Bill is away.
16:25:45 <frg_Away> tonymec|away how is life?
16:26:40 <tonymec|away> frg_Away: not too bad. Happily I have a raincoat.
16:27:25 <frg_Away> yeah here too. just a bit too busy :)
16:27:34 <tonymec|away> :-)
19:22:09 <Mozinet[m]> Hi! I just want to report that the date of the last post about macOS 13 is: "February 4, 2023".
19:23:26 <frg_Away> clumsy fingers... Thanks will fix.
19:23:37 <Mozinet[m]> * date of [the last, * macOS 13](https://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2022-11-96) is:
19:35:09 <tomman> https://theathletic.com/3765555/2022/11/05/world-cup-fifa-letter/ ah React, the new brick wall of the Internet
19:35:56 <tomman> (the console has nothing particularly interesting, aside of "TypeError: k(...) is undefined" and a caught "TypeError: t.getConsent is not a function")
19:36:28 <tomman> the page is briefly readable for a few seconds until the whole website "crashes" with a White Screen of Death: "Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the browser console for more information)."
19:38:12 <tomman> ah no, it's not React but... Next.js
19:38:16 <tomman> whatever, NEXT!
19:38:43 <tomman> I am not supposed to read your website because I'm not able to parse your toxic dump of JS framework crapola, WHY.
19:39:08 <frg_Away> ok here wiht 2.53.16b1 pre and only the site allowed in NoScript https://ibb.co/sPQ2dnn
19:41:30 <njsg> seems readable here with nothing allowed :-D
19:42:10 <tomman> The fact those frame-not-work "lolcoders" have never heard about graceful degradation and "you don't crash websites" is just sad
19:42:13 <njsg> appending ?amp=1 gives something that needs css hacking, I think, and no idea if that won't have the script issue too
19:42:41 <tomman> njsg: OK, that works indeed
19:42:47 <njsg> tomman: or worse. I mean, see cloudflare, which did do gracefulish degradation, relying on features only some browsers would have
19:43:14 <tomman> AMP is terrible for many other reasons, but wow, nice workaround
19:44:42 <njsg> tomman: amphtml often shows under More in the site navigation bar, btw
19:45:27 <tomman> the bar I can't use because the whole site crashes with a WSoD even before I'm able to scroll down?
19:45:57 <tomman> and when it crashes, it DELETES the entire content of the document from the DOM tree, instead of just overlaying the error message
19:46:28 <tomman> (similar to Dischorse sabotaging itself if it detects a browser that doesn't meet The Vision™)
19:47:45 <frg_Away> news item date on website fixed. Thanks for reporting.
19:50:37 <njsg> re: cloudflare, it seems the logic was to change to simpler (to the browser) alternate captchas as each step in the ladder failed owing to lack of support. except the transaction between captchas required Origin:...
19:51:36 <njsg> tomman: and me thinking the only annoying thing in discourse was not being scrollable...
19:53:31 <njsg> tomman: hm, I see a few 502 from cloudflare in js fetches
19:54:42 <njsg> not related, it seems. goes away with a chrome UA, but the error remains
19:57:03 <tomman> Clownflare has been acting all weird here this afternoon
19:57:19 <tomman> a bunch of 502 errors and connection delays
19:57:25 <njsg> you'll have to be more specific, this is cloudflare we are talking about...
19:58:06 <tomman> dunno if it is some regional CDN node acting weird, but I've been experiencing that a few times in the last weeks
20:03:56 <tomman> I'm already used to my ISP being junk so I can't really tell
20:03:59 <njsg> I saw some of these 502 now, but I haven't been actively looking at interactions with cloudflare servers lately
20:17:22 <CaptainTobin> IanN: think back to the old old days.. did mozilla prefer more smaller components or larger fewer components
20:18:04 <IanN> CaptainTobin: what day of the week was it?
20:18:15 <CaptainTobin> uhh.. tuesday
20:18:56 <IanN> CaptainTobin: smaller if it had the letter b in and larger if it had the letter p in
20:19:06 <CaptainTobin> i see
20:19:17 <CaptainTobin> you're a funny guy
20:19:31 <CaptainTobin> also likely not far off
20:19:46 <IanN> CaptainTobin: that is probably attributing too much logic to the decision making process
20:21:08 <CaptainTobin> I wonder how many mozilla employees post-2013 slept under THEIR desk out of dedication?
20:22:19 <CaptainTobin> well IanN with all your expereince.. do you think smaller xpcom factories are better vs something like the docshell or toolkit factory?
20:22:29 <CaptainTobin> fewer and larger
20:22:59 <CaptainTobin> ignoring for a moment there are still crazies who LIKE xpcom lol
20:23:30 <IanN> which option gives more understandable code?
20:23:44 <IanN> and does it make any difference to overall size
20:24:31 <CaptainTobin> I would honestly say more targeted factories are better and easier to follow than something like the main mailnews xpcom component you know one with a really old free the lizard era warning about death and such?
20:25:34 <IanN> probably, though freeing the lizard can be fun...
20:25:45 <IanN> anyway, time to get some supper, bbl
20:27:34 <CaptainTobin> IanN_Away: many these http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/runtime/components/permissions/src/nsPermissionFactory.cpp or a couple of these http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/system/mailnews/build/nsMailModule.cpp
20:27:39 <CaptainTobin> that is my question
20:30:55 <CaptainTobin> easier to understand.. that is obvious many smaller targeted factories for xpcom components is superior.. tho more components means defining more components so binary size and ram might increase SLIGHTLY but i could hardly think it would be more than a few megs.. in an era where a single site can OOM yeah not as conserning as it was in 2009
23:02:27 <hardys> www.wg9s.com is up again :)