16:33:08 <Darkijah> it worked! :)
16:33:10 <Darkijah> Nice
16:33:28 <JGod-Pope666> ups...
16:33:47 <JGod-Pope666> well I guess it works out well, I guess I have another account on
16:33:53 <JGod-Pope666> maybe not.
16:35:05 <JesusGod-Pope666> hmmm different design for sure.
16:35:08 <JesusGod-Pope666> this ChatZilla
16:35:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> awesome :)
16:35:55 <JesusGod-Pope666> Can you change the design of ChatZilla?
16:36:13 <CaptainTobin> you know december 6th Interlink Mail & News will be four years old
16:36:32 <JesusGod-Pope666> No I don't know
16:36:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> I don't even know what it is
16:36:53 <CaptainTobin> I wasn't specifically speaking to you
16:36:56 <CaptainTobin> don't worry
16:37:04 <JesusGod-Pope666> Oh okay ;)
16:37:13 <JesusGod-Pope666> Great great
16:37:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> I have made a SlimClient computer...
16:37:29 <JesusGod-Pope666> But it bad... but what to expect with Windows 7, but it works
16:37:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> around 3-9 watts in usage.
16:37:58 <JesusGod-Pope666> plus Screen, which I still need to find a low 12 volt usage.
16:38:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> so overall I think I can get a computer running around 15 watts or so in total.
16:38:39 <JesusGod-Pope666> If it could just run windows 2000, that would have been awesome. Or Windows XP 64 bit
16:38:52 <JesusGod-Pope666> But have not succeeded in that.
16:39:46 <CaptainTobin> one thousand four hundred and thirty days in on the project I said I'd only support for a year
16:40:14 <CaptainTobin> funny how shit happens eh JesusGod-Pope666
16:40:21 <JesusGod-Pope666> ?
16:40:27 <JesusGod-Pope666> dunnot what you are talking about
16:40:51 <CaptainTobin> so you aren't capable of using context clues to get a vague idea? I'll remember that.
16:41:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, you are more then free to have your own ideas on things.
16:42:01 <CaptainTobin> my own ideas on the objective truth that I am four years in on one of my projects that I said i'd only do for a year?
16:42:06 <CaptainTobin> yeah funny that
16:42:11 <JesusGod-Pope666> just know, that judgement day is coming, and Christ is the only way out of being condemned.
16:42:25 <JesusGod-Pope666> What project?
16:42:31 <CaptainTobin> We are the agents of our own salvation. Not some deity.
16:42:53 <JesusGod-Pope666> Nope, because life is from the Living Gods - we are just dirt without him.
16:43:16 <JesusGod-Pope666> You think you can save yourself? Can't even save yourself from the first death incoming to all of us.
16:44:06 <JesusGod-Pope666> We are living in a fallen world, and there is only one option giving to save us from that predicament.
16:44:36 <JesusGod-Pope666> You guys seen what is happening around us, its the Roman World Order forming more and more each and every day.
16:45:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> The Satanist pretty much have full rule these days, and a good amount actually just want those things in public as they believe they are already supreme and in control of all, so why hide it any longer.
16:45:56 <JesusGod-Pope666> It is a gigantic world wide system of Roman Agents all over the entire globe.
16:46:16 <CaptainTobin> If any cosmicly powerful being give two shits this would be close to being fixed finally as the lesson learned.. but no it goes on and on and on and on.. and the only recourse is to fuckin solve it ours selves or fall with the rest into oblivian. so fuck you very much you dilusional no account who has contributed nothing to anyone.
16:47:01 <JesusGod-Pope666> I have had contact with Demons in the Past CaptainTobin, I was in the New age nonsense, a Satanist of "love"...
16:47:08 <JesusGod-Pope666> Things are very real.
16:47:29 <JesusGod-Pope666> before that I was a hardcore believing Atheist.
16:47:43 <JesusGod-Pope666> But I was always seeking the Truth wherever it lead me.
16:47:43 <CaptainTobin> I know evil. I staired it in the face and it has been infecting everything and YOUR FAITH HAS DONE DICK TO HELP.. So don't be spreading your bullshit lies to me no matter where I am.
16:48:06 <CaptainTobin> do something or killyourself.. I don't have time for THIS.
16:48:11 <JesusGod-Pope666> Is the faith in Jesus evil?
16:48:36 <JesusGod-Pope666> How is standing on the Truth Evil CaptainTobin
16:48:38 <CaptainTobin> and how much closer are we to solving the shit?
16:49:01 <CaptainTobin> looks like all faith in christ has done is distract us for two thousand years
16:49:23 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well... the Antichrist wins for a time to take total control over the world, but the Citizen of the Heavens are still an option to become, for the future Kingdom ruled by Christ on this Earth.
16:49:24 <CaptainTobin> while others largely claiming to be acting in his name get worse and worse
16:49:46 <JesusGod-Pope666> CaptainTobin: of cause there are fakers in the name of Christianity.... Christ warned us about those.
16:49:58 <JesusGod-Pope666> but that does not take away the Truth from what is true.
16:50:49 <JesusGod-Pope666> CaptainTobin: You want a flyer I have written for a quick sum up of things?... I have translated it into English, its free.
16:51:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> CaptainTobin: https://jesusgod-pope666.info/flyer/truth01.pdf
16:51:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> It's 2 pages... very concentrated.
16:51:47 <CaptainTobin> yeah 90% either follow out of stupidity and ignorance or out of greed to exploit it.. there are no moderates left no neutrals no non-involved parties.. and no way out. Not anymore. Likely never was. This can only end in bloodshed the only question is who will come out on top.
16:51:53 <CaptainTobin> THAT is what the world is these days.
16:52:04 <CaptainTobin> So take your 16th century supersitions and shove em
16:52:33 <CaptainTobin> assuming no one wins
16:52:41 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well there is already one Global ruler.... always been.... That Roman Antichrist 666.
16:52:41 <CaptainTobin> good ol scortched earth by someone
16:53:04 <JesusGod-Pope666> He is crowned with 3 crowns as the Father of Princes and Kings.
16:53:17 <JesusGod-Pope666> The calendar we are keeping are based on what system?
16:53:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> Roman.
16:53:27 <JesusGod-Pope666> The festivals we are keeping are based on what, Roman festivals.
16:53:32 <CaptainTobin> you moron.. there ain't no one small group of demons no fuckin antichrist.. no devil no god only men and the evil they do to other men.
16:53:35 <JesusGod-Pope666> Everything is pretty much Roman.
16:53:43 <CaptainTobin> and that will ONLY STOP if WE STOP IT
16:53:49 <CaptainTobin> your god ain't gonna do dick
16:53:54 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well... That seems somewhat ignorant to say, many have contact with Demons these days.
16:54:13 <JesusGod-Pope666> It's actually not that hard to get in contact with Demons if you know how.
16:54:30 <CaptainTobin> well then grab your holy water and your fuckin demon hunting gear and AGAIN DO SOMETHING
16:54:34 <JesusGod-Pope666> These entities are deceiving multitudes of people, they come in many forms and figures.
16:54:53 <JesusGod-Pope666> You have a TV CaptainTobin ?
16:55:08 <JesusGod-Pope666> You keep the Satanic Christ-Mass tradition of the Antichrist 666 ?
16:55:09 <CaptainTobin> especially those who keep repeating religious doctrain like a mindless drone
16:55:22 <JesusGod-Pope666> Where are you from CaptainTobin ?
16:55:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> Europe or America
16:55:35 <CaptainTobin> Does it matter?
16:55:49 <JesusGod-Pope666> if Europe turn on the TV Bullshit box at 00:00 and see the Antichrist in the television live from the Vatican.
16:55:57 <JesusGod-Pope666> Roman Time.
16:56:12 <JesusGod-Pope666> That's the Head of the Tradition of Satan.
16:56:15 <CaptainTobin> Why the hell would I do that even if I lived in europ
16:56:19 <JesusGod-Pope666> The Satanic High Priest.
16:56:37 <JesusGod-Pope666> If you want the truth CaptainTobin then you have been giving it.
16:56:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> If not, then sleep in Darkness.
16:56:47 <CaptainTobin> you're an idiot.. the pope is a low level pawn.. nothing more than a gussied up street operative
16:57:14 <JesusGod-Pope666> Really... So that is why all the leaders go to show there submission to him.
16:57:30 <JesusGod-Pope666> That's why we have Roman Knights all over working for him.
16:57:37 <CaptainTobin> none of the truely in-control people or demons or lizards or anything else is in any position where they would have to give it up by some means
16:57:47 <JesusGod-Pope666> That is why the New World Order is his Roman World Order which the Jesuits are creating for him.
16:57:55 <CaptainTobin> even the pope can be removed or simply eliminated..
16:58:06 <CaptainTobin> no problem
16:58:08 <JesusGod-Pope666> But then another takes his place, the seat of Satan.
16:58:26 <CaptainTobin> you're still an idiot.. no one cares about rome and hasn't for again 2000 years
16:58:30 <JesusGod-Pope666> the Jesuits are the ones forming the new world order.
16:58:36 <CaptainTobin> not in this context
16:58:41 <JesusGod-Pope666> CaptainTobin: Can't be that ignorant can you?
16:58:57 <JesusGod-Pope666> I guess a lot of people are, not thinking Rome has any say in anything :P
16:58:58 <CaptainTobin> you're still operating on way too low a level to know anytthing more than your scripture tells you i guess
16:59:36 <JesusGod-Pope666> CaptainTobin: Well, low level? I've been part of Satans Candyshop, if you wanna call that higher level then what is really the Truth, then by all means go with the Devils and play.
17:00:32 <CaptainTobin> JesusGod-Pope666: the NUMBER ONE THING YOU HAVE TO REALIZE IS ALL THE BATSHIT INSANE STUFF THAT HAS HAPPENED THESE PAST FIVE TO 10 YEARS IS LITERALLY ONLY THE SHIT WE KNOW ABOUT AND I HAVE THE DISTINCT FEELING THAT WHAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD OF AS A TOUTED CONSPIRACY THEORY YET IS WAY WORSE
17:00:41 <CaptainTobin> and nothing is quite like it seems.
17:01:03 <JesusGod-Pope666> That's why we get help from God to point out it all leads to Rome.
17:01:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> The Drunken whore who kills the Saints.
17:01:19 <CaptainTobin> rome is irrelevant and god is a myth
17:01:31 <JesusGod-Pope666> LOL :P
17:01:56 <JesusGod-Pope666> Maybe do some studies before you flaunt your ignorance around and do the devils work.
17:02:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> The Roman Papacy is the Seat of the Devil - everything goes back to this Toilet throne.
17:03:06 <CaptainTobin> if you believe this shit as you are spouting it.. you're really not gonna have a fun time over the next 20 years.. neither will anyone else but it will be harder for you cause your faith will be shattered.. these people are so beyond what you'd consider biblical evil or even disney evil to even be comprehensable to most.. the depths are staggering and it is rapidly approching way worse than your sweet satan has ever been accused of
17:03:10 <JesusGod-Pope666> If it was not for the Bible we would still have been kept in the Dark Age of old.
17:03:14 <CaptainTobin> so you're not gonna convince me
17:03:39 <JesusGod-Pope666> Of cause, there is a risk of being murdered, but the Truth is more important then my life.
17:04:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> Yea well, again all roads leads to Rome. Hitler was a Good Roman Catholic.
17:04:29 <CaptainTobin> well then an hero yourself.. same effect if you give your life in these delusions
17:04:39 <JesusGod-Pope666> The Nazi's and Ustashi fleed through the Vatican Ratlines.
17:04:57 <JesusGod-Pope666> eichman was picked up by the Mossad in Catholic Argentina.
17:05:02 <CaptainTobin> or you can actually put down your new york times best seller and do something
17:05:29 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like speaking the Truth.
17:05:53 <CaptainTobin> almost no one is listening.. you have to do more
17:05:56 <CaptainTobin> much much much more
17:06:17 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, that's not my problem... Nothing new about people not wanting the Truth.
17:06:24 <CaptainTobin> not your problem
17:06:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> Noe I've just called to speak the Truth, if people are going with the Devil, that's up to them.
17:06:53 <JesusGod-Pope666> 666
17:07:07 <CaptainTobin> no the systamatic destruction of the only habitiable planet and mutation of its entire ecosystem in the meantime is certainly not YOUR problem
17:07:10 <JesusGod-Pope666> The number of the Beast, full control over everything, the system is getting closer each and every day.
17:07:32 <CaptainTobin> There is only ONE Beast. The soul of Netscape
17:07:34 <CaptainTobin> and it is mine.
17:07:43 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, if you people where not running from the Truth... But you rather bite into the lie of the Devil.
17:08:24 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, it does not mind being a Christian while working on Netscape :)
17:08:51 <JesusGod-Pope666> Anyway... Just testing the ChatZilla here. And it seems to work pretty good.
17:09:01 <JesusGod-Pope666> at least on my powerhungry desktop
17:09:34 <CaptainTobin> Look JesusGod-Pope666 even if you are 100% correct.. then what happens.. eventually.. when your god has taken his morning shitt and had his coffee will decided its ime for revelations.. JUST FOR A CHANGE OF PACE.. then what.. hell on earth and everyone goes to heaven to sit on a cloud and stroke their dick for eternty.. so what was the fuckin point of it all then. and THAT is why I shall never accept your completely unorginal fantasy world
17:10:13 <CaptainTobin> Now.. argue against that.
17:10:25 <JesusGod-Pope666> CaptainTobin: Well... We are not really going to the Heavens you know... We are going to inherit this world.
17:11:00 <CaptainTobin> WE ALREADY HAVE THE PLANET.. Look what we have done with it thus far
17:11:03 <CaptainTobin> no fuckin way
17:11:05 <JesusGod-Pope666> Christ is going to come back, and setup his Heavenly kingdom here on Earth, Ruling from Jerusalem.
17:11:19 <CaptainTobin> your dick of a god ain't gonna let us have this planet after he went to the trouble of cleansing it
17:11:28 <CaptainTobin> not after he did it the first time and we just did it again
17:11:34 <JesusGod-Pope666> Yea, but the Beast is going to be thrown into the lake of fire and be done away when the Kingdom of the Son of Man comes in full glory.
17:11:36 <CaptainTobin> or did you think i wouldn't remember that
17:12:33 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well the planet is now run by the Roman Beast... Not the Future Kingdom of Jehovah.
17:12:50 <JesusGod-Pope666> And at the moment we have tickets to go to the future Kingdom to come.
17:13:00 <CaptainTobin> JesusGod-Pope666: I'd have better luck worshiping Zeus and getting results than your fuckin god of the desert..
17:13:17 <JesusGod-Pope666> Zeus is kinda one of the demonic gods....
17:13:32 <JesusGod-Pope666> like the many pantheon of falsehood that you can worship the devil by.
17:13:38 <CaptainTobin> Greek Gods had one thing going for you.. they rarely bullshitted you.. sure harshly punish without cause.. but not much in the bullshit department
17:14:13 <JesusGod-Pope666> They where and are ways of worshipping Demons and thereby satan
17:14:31 <JesusGod-Pope666> You wanna worship the present god of the world or the future God of the next Kingdom?
17:15:50 <CaptainTobin> ok you're seriously a fuckin crank or a troll.. god concepts have come and gone in human history since there has BEEN human history.. I am surprised we haven't had a better reboot than the fuckin scientology motherwheel horseshit and a few non-starters like good ol charley manson.. but jesus you can't say greek gods were satan's demon army or whatever you lunatic
17:16:13 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well Christ was there from the very beginning.
17:16:27 <JesusGod-Pope666> Who was walking around the Garden of Adam and Chavah?*Eve*
17:16:32 <JesusGod-Pope666> Jesus....
17:17:06 <CaptainTobin> hell genesis has been rewritten with fake news and that was again a fuck long time ago
17:17:12 <JesusGod-Pope666> Greek Roman gods and so forth are just ways to worship the Devil by.
17:17:24 <CaptainTobin> greek != roman
17:17:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> Genesis is true, the world wide flood as well.
17:17:42 <JesusGod-Pope666> the world is around 6000 years old.
17:18:18 <CaptainTobin> yes i cited it.. the last time your god cleaned this up.. and you think he will just do it again and THEN aftter you fucked up twice before he will let you have itt on what? third time's the charm?
17:19:04 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well... we are in the face of moving to the Judgement day of the great wrath of the Gods.
17:19:19 <CaptainTobin> got our selves kicked out of paradise.. fucked the world so bad he had to literally Mr. Clean and Scrubbing Bubbles it.. and at the end of days .. no way
17:19:20 <JesusGod-Pope666> After the great Tribulation, Jehovah will let his Judgment flow on this world.
17:19:55 <CaptainTobin> you don't try and convince someone of a religious argumentt then say the name "Jehovah"
17:20:05 <CaptainTobin> that instantly wins you not being listened to anymore
17:20:08 <CaptainTobin> crazy fuck
17:20:11 <JesusGod-Pope666> The Christians are in some way, the reason why judgement is not already flowing on this world.
17:20:51 <CaptainTobin> yeah yeah yeah and if you rub olive oil on your belly and wrap yourself in plastic wrap it will protect you from a camera stealing your soul
17:20:52 <JesusGod-Pope666> But when the world removes the Christians on a large scale, then there is no reason postponing the judgement anymore.
17:20:53 <CaptainTobin> fuck off dude
17:21:33 <JesusGod-Pope666> No thanks CaptainTobin but I hope you will be blessed with eyes to see.
17:21:48 <CaptainTobin> I wish I didn't.
17:22:05 <CaptainTobin> That is the difference between us. I wish I hadn't seen what I have seen, know whatt I have known.
17:22:06 <JesusGod-Pope666> Whats wrong with the name Jehovah? It's in the written text around 6000 times.
17:22:15 <CaptainTobin> you don't even know the score let alone what ball game it is
17:22:25 <JesusGod-Pope666> and in the New Testament as well, outside the Greek.
17:22:44 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well the Score is that the Devil seems to win... and yet will lose :)
17:26:56 <JesusGod-Pope666> CaptainTobin: If you ever wanna talk, and can call outside where you live my number is +45 31163897
17:28:12 <JesusGod-Pope666> Anyone else who wanna talk about Jesus, can call the number as well if you have any questions.
17:34:49 <CaptainTobin> PROGRAMS
17:34:50 <CaptainTobin> PROGRAMS
17:35:00 <CaptainTobin> CAN'T TELL A DEMON FROM A POPE WITHOUT A PROGRAM
17:35:24 <JesusGod-Pope666> the Poop is that Antichrist 666.
17:35:38 <JesusGod-Pope666> Every single one of them sits in the Chair of the Devil.
17:37:49 <CaptainTobin> I am not gonna continue this tho. I have said what I needed to. In all likelyhood this was a successful attempt to get me on some big todo.. well it worked so you can tell all your friends you won.. It's even fine. Tho the one item I am conserned abou is I allowed that to happen here instead of a more proper venue.. if there is such a thing and that ain't fair to the seamonkey peoples i been trying to make ammends to so perhaps a bit of a setback
17:37:49 <CaptainTobin> for me personally but then again trying and failing ain't shame worthy.. stop trying cause of failure.. that is.
17:40:32 <JesusGod-Pope666> Sorry, keep working on SeaMonkey, and thanks for helping me test it out in regards of ChatZilla CaptainTobin
17:40:48 <CaptainTobin> oh I didn't
17:40:53 <CaptainTobin> that might have eben someone else
17:41:07 <JesusGod-Pope666> SeaMonkey is the last sane browser, although sadly somewhat slow on my Win7 computers.
17:41:15 <CaptainTobin> no it isn't
17:41:17 <CaptainTobin> close
17:41:19 <CaptainTobin> not not quite
17:41:32 <CaptainTobin> it is ONE tho
17:41:34 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well I don't know any other that is closer to the good old days.
17:41:54 <CaptainTobin> you haven't been looking but i suppose that is just as well ..
17:41:55 <JesusGod-Pope666> Not single one of them seems to follow the standard sanity rules of the old days.
17:42:02 <JesusGod-Pope666> I think I have :P
17:42:13 <CaptainTobin> no.. you haven't
17:42:21 <JesusGod-Pope666> And to find out if a browser is really on your side, just try to do a search.
17:42:43 <JesusGod-Pope666> Firefox is so concerned about your privacy, that they send you directly to google after the big words of theirs.
17:42:44 <CaptainTobin> and i know you haven't cause you have no idea who i am or what I do
17:43:21 <CaptainTobin> JesusGod-Pope666: your mozilla reflections are literally 8 years ttoo late
17:43:29 <JesusGod-Pope666> does not matter to me... but I'm sure you don't know what I have been doing these last couple of years of testing of browser.
17:44:19 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well give me a better example of a browser keeping to old school sanity, I'll wait.
17:44:30 <frg_Away> well it is still the seamonkey group and while I have no problem with off topic stuff most of the times endless religious monologues isn't what I would like to see.  Anyone can believe in any deity or fate and in the end we will all find out. And if it goes too much on my nerves or if I see verbal abuse I will kick people :)
17:44:38 <CaptainTobin> no it doesn't matter to you cause all that does is your own moral certitude in your faith in a whimsical marketing fiction to impose political standards as moral standards upon everyone
17:44:42 <CaptainTobin> shut up and go away
17:45:08 <CaptainTobin> that some tyrant came up with 1500 years ago
17:45:55 <JesusGod-Pope666> frg_Away: You know of any other browser that is closer to the old sanity levels beside seamonkey :P Not a single one as far as I know.
17:46:20 <JesusGod-Pope666> It's really the closest to it.
17:47:39 <JesusGod-Pope666> The only problem I have with SeaMonkey is its speed on my computers and that some websites won't work. But that could easily be the websites faults, like Facebook chat not working.
17:47:50 <JesusGod-Pope666> But facebook is an evil organization that does a lot of wacky evil things.
17:47:56 <CaptainTobin> here's one you moron http://personal.mattatobin.com/image/capture/1ad27532-3888-4467-ae33-6fc866d68d3c.jpg
17:48:11 <CaptainTobin> Still a few bits to get it release ready
17:48:34 <CaptainTobin> I would suggestt the shit at MCP but I don't recommend them anymore
17:48:50 <CaptainTobin> so don't tell me there are no efforts aside than this one
17:48:51 <JesusGod-Pope666> MCP?
17:48:58 <CaptainTobin> see you haven't looked for dick
17:49:03 <CaptainTobin> you are the ignorant one
17:49:09 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well if its not released, its not really an option is it?
17:49:36 <CaptainTobin> you have no understanding for the compelxity of what has been happening for the past 15 years.. you lied about research and you been lying since I woke up this morning. You need to be stopped.
17:50:20 <CaptainTobin> don't lie to these people any longer.
17:50:23 <CaptainTobin> I won't stand for it.
17:50:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> Lied?... Could you help me on those lies, I have no clue what that would be :P
17:50:49 <CaptainTobin> YOU are the worst piece of filth in this struggle cause your answer is to DO NOTHING and hope it all works out in the end.
17:50:52 <CaptainTobin> you disgust me
17:50:55 <frg_Away> CaptainTobin Please stop it.
17:51:37 <CaptainTobin> I have not been systamtaically destroyed for years in service to these things just to have some qanon wannabe say trust the plan
17:51:46 <CaptainTobin> so sorry frg_Away
17:52:14 <JesusGod-Pope666> frg_Away: It's okay... he is just a little upset, that happens some times.
17:52:32 <frg_Away> This goes for you too.
17:52:39 <CaptainTobin> I am upset when people present non-solutions and require not questioning in order to proceed.
17:53:22 <CaptainTobin> that is not an acceptable form of "salvation" that is EXACTLY what THEY want. So no i don't side with religous nuts any more than communists
17:53:46 <CaptainTobin> but frg_Away is correct
17:53:59 <JesusGod-Pope666> frg_Away: Yea not worries, I was just testing the ChatZilla - trying to make a Portable Collection again to share to others.
17:54:51 <CaptainTobin> I am gonna go ACCOMPLISH something OTHER than continuing this fight a third time.. like getting DOMi finished integrated. Ugh.
17:54:58 <JesusGod-Pope666> No one said anything of not doing anything CaptainTobin, did I ever say anything about that.
17:55:10 <CaptainTobin> Please don't highlight me anymore dude.
17:55:42 <JesusGod-Pope666> Anyway looks good on the browser, if you have a working one - I'll test it out for sure. If you can, make things portable as well Native, that would be nice.
17:56:01 <CaptainTobin> "portable and native"
17:56:10 <JesusGod-Pope666> Problems should be Native portable out of the box.
17:56:15 <JesusGod-Pope666> Programs
17:56:15 <CaptainTobin> so you don't want a mozilla application.
17:56:20 <CaptainTobin> k
17:56:33 <JesusGod-Pope666> No I'm just saying that Portable should be default of any app.
17:56:43 <JesusGod-Pope666> To give the user the freedom of moving things easily and so forth.
17:56:52 <JesusGod-Pope666> I use a Portable version of SeaMoney.
17:57:00 <CaptainTobin> portable applications directly conflict with the concept of os integration
17:57:02 <JesusGod-Pope666> That should be standard for any app really.
17:57:09 <JesusGod-Pope666> OS integration is not good.
17:57:22 <CaptainTobin> I am not gonna do a shitty hacky stub launcher NOR am i going to modify xre to do it properly
17:57:32 <JesusGod-Pope666> Freedom to the people, and applications should be easily made to copy from one place to another and still working.
17:57:46 <JesusGod-Pope666> They always have fought us on those fronts.
17:57:53 <JesusGod-Pope666> I remember the days with U3 keys.
17:58:05 <JesusGod-Pope666> then MS locked down the auto run feature.
17:58:15 <CaptainTobin> so you have experience in software development and design
17:58:29 <JesusGod-Pope666> We where moving in the direction of portable apps, but the big companies do not want that.
17:58:36 <CaptainTobin> so you have experience in software development and design
17:58:41 <JesusGod-Pope666> they want integration with the system so they can control things.
17:58:45 <CaptainTobin> so you have experience in software development and design
17:58:52 <CaptainTobin> why can't you answer a simple question?
17:59:06 <JesusGod-Pope666> No just sane old guy I guess who knows sanity.
17:59:31 <CaptainTobin> I'd say you don't know him as well as you think
17:59:35 <JesusGod-Pope666> In the old days even needing Internet for activation could get people up there chair in protest.
17:59:41 <JesusGod-Pope666> Now in our days, it is so so much worse.
18:00:05 <CaptainTobin> what does activation have to do with portableapps
18:00:12 <CaptainTobin> for thumbdrives
18:00:19 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, more issues on control on the user.
18:00:29 <CaptainTobin> such as?
18:00:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> And missus of the users time.
18:01:04 <JesusGod-Pope666> Every time you need to write a code, you need to use 5 minutes or so to do it.
18:01:05 <CaptainTobin> you haven't answered any questtion I have put to you
18:01:10 <CaptainTobin> write a code
18:01:15 <CaptainTobin> ..
18:01:19 <JesusGod-Pope666> 25 letters and numbers
18:01:30 <CaptainTobin> there are 26 letters in the alphabet
18:01:36 <CaptainTobin> english alphabet anyway
18:01:37 <JesusGod-Pope666> And spyware, ads.... heavy system.
18:02:03 <JesusGod-Pope666> but 25 symbols in the Windows code.
18:02:40 <CaptainTobin> so god will save us all trust the plan, the pope is demon king piccolo, all apps should be portable because of activation... and the english alphabet is 25 letters but has some numbers to make up for the missing letter so its all good.
18:02:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> But if you make the Browser Native Portable it will be much appriciated! :)
18:03:00 <CaptainTobin> k
18:03:23 <JesusGod-Pope666> No all apps should be portable because that gives freedom to the user to move from one place to another easily. To not need to reinstall things over and over, and not connected to a system or computer hardware.
18:03:40 <CaptainTobin> maybe everyone is right.. screaming doesn't solve anything especially when you cannot scream and people look even more doubous than when you were screaming
18:03:41 <CaptainTobin> nice
18:04:20 <CaptainTobin> so installation is slavory then
18:04:20 <CaptainTobin> k
18:04:53 <CaptainTobin> if not installing is freedom obviously installation is slavory and thus frg_Away and IanN_Away are slavers cause of the nsis windows installer
18:05:32 <CaptainTobin> the New Slavory Installation System
18:05:34 <JesusGod-Pope666> Installation and chaining the program to a system is not freedom for the person.
18:05:51 <JesusGod-Pope666> Installing a app that is portable out of the box, is freedom for the user.
18:06:08 <JesusGod-Pope666> To take the app with him where ever he goes without needing to install anything again.
18:06:14 <JesusGod-Pope666> And have all his settings and work with him on the go.
18:06:15 <CaptainTobin> you can't install something that has no installer or installation routine
18:06:34 <CaptainTobin> that is literally saying enslaving someone is the key to freedom
18:06:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> Everything should pretty much be ready to go, download and run.
18:06:43 <CaptainTobin> which btw is what the globalists are saying
18:06:54 <CaptainTobin> but that isn't what you JUST said
18:06:59 <JesusGod-Pope666> Yes it is.
18:07:13 <CaptainTobin> [1303-41] <JesusGod-Pope666> Installing a app that is portable out of the box, is freedom for the user.
18:07:21 <JesusGod-Pope666> You just can't understand because you have some demonic issues making you have trouble understanding what I write.
18:07:25 <CaptainTobin> [1303-41] <JesusGod-Pope666> Installing a app that is portable out of the box, is freedom for the user.
18:07:43 <CaptainTobin> I am confused tho
18:07:48 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, installing it once or downloading it without an installer, both works for me, off cause the later is better.
18:07:49 <CaptainTobin> how do you install a portable app
18:08:01 <CaptainTobin> and if you could wouldn't be portable
18:08:10 <CaptainTobin> and if it isn't portable it isn't freedom
18:08:10 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, how do you choose the setting of portable in the installer?....
18:08:16 <CaptainTobin> and thus you advocate slavory
18:08:23 <CaptainTobin> have a nice day!
18:08:27 <JesusGod-Pope666> :P
18:08:41 <JesusGod-Pope666> Thanks CaptainTobin - have a great day as well m8 :)
18:12:53 <JesusGod-Pope666> I've been a portable guy since my youth, sadly everything went the other direction of locking things more and more and integrating things directly into the system.
18:13:50 <JesusGod-Pope666> Putting a USB key in the old days, autostart working having Windows startup the menu and all your apps and settings and work was at your fingertips. just where you left off, on whatever computer you did it on.
18:14:17 <JesusGod-Pope666> And you could have your usb key in your key holder, always with you.
18:15:06 <JesusGod-Pope666> That's freedom. And if you wanted, you could copy things to another if he wanted an app. Easy peasy.
18:21:00 <JesusGod-Pope666> The Agenda is still to make USB keys work bad with Portable Apps, after over 10 years. But I think I have found a way around it, although need to test it out and I can't buy anything on the internet at the moment.
18:21:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> The thing is the USB SSD, are still very slow, although faster in the smaller end, and apps usually have a lot of small files and such.
18:22:02 <JesusGod-Pope666> But... I've found way around that, I think. Cheaper, faster and bigger then the standard USB SSD and nearly the same size as well.
18:22:11 <JesusGod-Pope666> In volume.
18:22:19 <JesusGod-Pope666> You have to have it in your keys without being to big.
18:23:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> I have the Shell, but I need a Harddrive to test it out, but then you have pretty much the speed of a standard harddrive as a  USB SSD
18:23:36 <JesusGod-Pope666> And thereby, Apps should be able to run very nicely on it :)
18:24:08 <JesusGod-Pope666> They always been so depraved on the lower scale... oh the USB can do so and so many MB, but that does not matter when we are talking about running apps.
18:24:51 <JesusGod-Pope666> You can easily get into issues with high powered USB keys of 100's of MB if they do not do well on the lower end when running apps from them.
18:25:51 <JesusGod-Pope666> As far as I can see, the agenda has been that for over 10's years. Just look at the test result on the USB SSD... Now I'm not saying they can't run apps, but they much much lower then the standard ssd harddrives.
18:26:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> So HACK THE PLANET!!!... Hopefully my research is going to bear fruit to help others on this.
18:28:04 <JesusGod-Pope666> Pretty much you get Double size of Bytes, faster on the lower end like standard ssd harddrives, less money needed. Win win situation. And physical the size is not to big either for a Key chain :)
18:30:48 <JesusGod-Pope666> My website on details on some of it is: http://www.jesusgod-pope666.info/portableapps.php - I still need to release my Portable Package application thing... I'm still testing and working on it.
18:31:31 <JesusGod-Pope666> But the details on the hardware if successfully will also be found on that page. Cheapest Harddrive, Harddrive case and so forth.
18:32:23 <JesusGod-Pope666> You can also install Linux unto a USB key and have an NTFS drive at the side.
18:32:50 <JesusGod-Pope666> You just need to sort out things and figure out how to... But it is possible.
18:35:02 <Darkijah> Apparently got kicked off the network.
18:35:09 <Darkijah> or something D'ed me down :P
18:36:05 <JGod-P666> The nick seem to still be online, I guess it will go away soon.
18:39:16 <JesusGod-Pope666> there we go.
18:48:24 <CaptainTobin> hey frg_Away you know you been featured in the BinOC Interlink promo shot since I completed the revised default theme
18:48:42 <CaptainTobin> https://binaryoutcast.com/base/skin/promos/interlink.png
18:49:39 <CaptainTobin> deff need to update that shot
18:52:28 <frg_Away> its a bug ... zillla
18:52:57 <CaptainTobin> yeah but you still have been featured since at least 2020!
18:53:18 <CaptainTobin> I prefer real world promoshots not fake ones
18:53:38 <CaptainTobin> i gaurd what i expose but still real world is .. more real
18:57:03 <frg_Away> my name and email is all over the net so not that important if in a picture. Spammies usually don't pick these.
18:57:30 <CaptainTobin> well yeah i figured if it was a consern u'd take better steps
18:58:05 <CaptainTobin> can sourceforge files be accessed without their site getting in the way
18:58:42 <CaptainTobin> cause it would be kinda neat if I could mirror releases on sourceforge and possibly use it for aus as well as a backup
18:58:44 <tomman> wget has always worked wonders, if you know the exact file path
18:59:06 <CaptainTobin> wget is one thing.. i would need a response in a request by chrome js
18:59:11 <CaptainTobin> chrome as in ui
18:59:23 <CaptainTobin> and respond without interfearance
18:59:34 <tomman> maybe some UA string trickery?
18:59:49 <CaptainTobin> either way I can't store this ever growing collection of old versions and sourceforge seems the least encumbered as far as getting started and going
19:00:01 <CaptainTobin> tomman: i prefer NOT to use hacks when i can
19:00:14 <tomman> the problem is that SourceForge is one giant hack
19:00:27 <CaptainTobin> yeah
19:00:28 <tomman> btw, who owns it these days?
19:00:33 <CaptainTobin> slashdot media
19:00:41 <CaptainTobin> now if they are owned i dunno
19:00:45 <CaptainTobin> i'd have to look it up
19:01:03 <CaptainTobin> the old versions for interlink are already 7 gigs
19:01:06 <tomman> I dropped Slashdot in the early days of China Pest, so dunno if it has been sold once more time
19:01:26 <tomman> last time Dice had sold them to some slimy advertising corp named BizX
19:01:38 <CaptainTobin> now i can store it just fine but in a few more years that would be 14 + 7 more for borealis releases and that is IF i keep the sporatic release train and not the monthly train
19:01:46 <tomman> that was during the #FuckBeta fiasco
19:02:05 <CaptainTobin> ok tomman suggest a free mass file host that can serve raw files if desired
19:02:35 <tomman> I would suggest Mega, but that requires piles of toxic JS to deal with its crypto
19:02:42 <tomman> sadly Giggityhub DOES fit the bill there
19:02:44 <CaptainTobin> fosshub obviously looked up issue 86 and Pale Moon so they never responded.
19:02:53 <CaptainTobin> no
19:03:03 <CaptainTobin> that doesn't serve raw files
19:03:28 <CaptainTobin> that uses some fucked up dom storage shit to fake secure download something into ram before it is turned into a file and sent to the download manager
19:03:38 <CaptainTobin> tomman: i need a real suggestion
19:04:05 <CaptainTobin> and no github doesn't
19:04:07 <tomman> "free" and "raw file hosting" is something you're not going to find in the same sentence in the real world, for many reasons
19:04:11 <CaptainTobin> i need gigs and gigs and gigs
19:04:17 <CaptainTobin> did you miss that?
19:04:24 <CaptainTobin> github is not unlimited free space
19:04:52 <tomman> "if you're not paying you're the product", etc
19:05:05 <tomman> many nerds will just tell you "just pay for a cheap VPS, dude"
19:05:26 <CaptainTobin> if i wanted bullshit suggestions i'd have done a google query
19:05:45 <tomman> no, the Google query these days would have redirected you to malware places
19:06:10 <CaptainTobin> aside from sourceforge is there anywhere else taht will give opensource projects gigs and gigs of storage and unlimited bandwidth and raw file requesting
19:07:45 <tomman> ..I was wrong: the quick Google search says "use Giggityhub!!!"
19:07:56 <tomman> I lost more faith on humankindnow
19:08:02 <tomman> --humankind now
19:09:54 <JesusGod-Pope666> Looks good, I'm sure willing to try your version when you release a copy CaptainTobin
19:10:27 <frg_Away> What you need this for? I use a big encrypted hd I now and then sync and store in a safe place. So if you house burns down I just use the backup.
19:10:40 <frg_Away> ^if my house burns down
19:11:46 <JesusGod-Pope666> I got attacked by qqkk a good amount of months ago :/ All my data just.... got encrypted, well most of it anyway.
19:12:05 <JesusGod-Pope666> With a note to pay a ransom all over.
19:12:09 <JesusGod-Pope666> notes
19:12:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> Just terrible.... :/
19:12:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> So be careful...
19:12:35 <tomman> ugh Internet
19:12:49 <tomman> I've found a couple of FOSS project hosting places that are not Suckforge or Giggityhub
19:12:57 <tomman> both of them refuse to describe their offerings
19:13:18 <tomman> all I got is some buzzword bingo, photos of meetings, and "contact us first to eval your needs"
19:16:49 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: old versions
19:17:01 <CaptainTobin> and somewhere aside from server and my hd
19:18:59 <CaptainTobin> so I dunno if anywhere is a thing
19:19:22 <CaptainTobin> about the only space I have large enough outside my system and servers is my google drive.
19:20:06 <CaptainTobin> I have 30 gigs of storage there but it is fuckin google
19:20:30 <tomman> oh, OSDN still exists
19:20:42 <CaptainTobin> you are fuckin kidding me
19:20:52 <tomman> I thought it was dead
19:21:02 <tomman> or confined into Japan
19:33:46 <CaptainTobin> well i could also use this as the recommended static source for files obtained by repacks and binary scripts.. as my internal infra tends to change a lot
19:34:05 <CaptainTobin> and likely a backup AUS
19:35:15 <JesusGod-Pope666> Google Sucks for sure, evil company as many of the other biggies.
19:35:52 <tomman> "Google Sucks"... wait, hasn't that project been Killed By Google™ yet? :D
19:36:13 <Megaweapon> lol
19:41:37 <JesusGod-Pope666> tomman: Well, they have not killed me yet, but who knows when that will happen.
19:41:51 <JesusGod-Pope666> So Google Sucks sticks! :P
19:45:16 <CaptainTobin> OSDN is a bust.. there is almost no control over anything and file transfers are very annoying
19:45:22 <CaptainTobin> fuck
19:46:01 <CaptainTobin> guess i will just have to continue hosting my own shit or just not have any or many older versions
19:46:05 <CaptainTobin> on the line
19:53:36 <tomman> If you want control, here is the answer you don't want to hear: SELFHOST (which means you need to pay)
19:53:56 <tomman> sadly that ship has sailed and free hosting is basically unusable these days for any general purpose
19:55:43 <CaptainTobin> well i CAN host it I HAVE BEEN hosting it even tho it hasn't been publicly accessable for a year.. it is just eventually i will start having space issues
19:55:57 <CaptainTobin> and i don't like to kick those problems forever down the road
20:05:56 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, don't need the old versions do you?
20:06:02 <JesusGod-Pope666> Just the newest...
20:06:41 <CaptainTobin> well not everyone is willing to trust the plan and we saw what happened to those that did.
20:06:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> As long as you have the newest edition and older version might not be so important anyway of the Browser.
20:07:05 <CaptainTobin> so you are pretending to have experience in software development and project management now
20:07:08 <CaptainTobin> again
20:07:11 <CaptainTobin> why?
20:07:34 <JesusGod-Pope666> By the way there are at least 1 tool, that might be able to make your browser portable, there are 2 other options... so... there are some options on that.
20:08:05 <CaptainTobin> maybe I should tie it more deeply with the target operating system
20:08:17 <CaptainTobin> i don't use browsers btw
20:08:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> I'm just the sane guy, never said I was a programmer - I just know what is sanity.
20:08:47 <CaptainTobin> i use web clients primarily my navigator
20:08:59 <CaptainTobin> i am not some ignorant window shopper BROWSING like you
20:09:03 <JesusGod-Pope666> Yea that would be diabolical foolish if you try to tie it further with the operating system to make it hard to make it portable.
20:09:09 <CaptainTobin> I navigate.. I seek and locate and discover
20:09:13 <CaptainTobin> i question.
20:09:23 <JesusGod-Pope666> but hey if you don't want people to use your browser then by all means go that direction. Just trying to help out.
20:09:37 <CaptainTobin> I am not doing a browser project
20:09:54 <JesusGod-Pope666> okay.
20:10:16 <CaptainTobin> I am doing a Navigator. A traditional web client.
20:10:27 <JesusGod-Pope666> You should try to your best possibility to not make it tied to the system itself.
20:10:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> The less tied you can make it, the better.
20:10:51 <JesusGod-Pope666> and lightweight is also a good thing.
20:11:09 <tomman> just kill the entire HTML5/JS standards and we're good to go~
20:11:58 <JesusGod-Pope666> CaptainTobin: Hope you finish your Web Client, I'm just trying to help with what I know and what issues have been around for years and years.
20:12:07 <JesusGod-Pope666> Yea, the Website nonsense these days :/
20:12:22 <JesusGod-Pope666> Can't even link to other HTML files using HTML....
20:12:28 <JesusGod-Pope666> you need PHP for that, utter sucks.
20:12:44 <JesusGod-Pope666> I use a specific PHP command for linking webpages.
20:12:45 <CaptainTobin> tomman: nothing past es5 and xhtml 1.0/transitional is the best
20:12:58 <CaptainTobin> huh
20:13:11 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like I can't believe it has to be so difficult to make a standard webpage.
20:13:19 <CaptainTobin> are you stupid JesusGod-Pope666 .. you can't.. link.. to.. html with.. php
20:13:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> using HTML, CSS, PHP, Javascript and what not.
20:13:30 <tomman> JesusGod-Pope666: PHP?! Get with the times, man! You're supposed to code your sites on Rust or something, then transpile them to JS, then to WASM!
20:13:33 <CaptainTobin> tomman: is this guy a troll or really this stupid
20:13:43 <tomman> using 30MBs of frameworks per page load!
20:13:47 <tomman> and don't forget the Electron app
20:13:48 <CaptainTobin> cause it really is a tossup in my view
20:13:51 <JesusGod-Pope666> Yes I can CaptainTobin, my whole website it based on linking things... Hack the planet you know.
20:14:16 <tomman> PHP is for "grandpas", kids say these days
20:14:17 <JesusGod-Pope666> And it works...
20:14:21 <CaptainTobin> but you are claiming html hyperlinks are now impossible without php tho
20:14:24 <CaptainTobin> you SAID THIS
20:14:25 <tomman> "links" are for "dinosaurs", they say
20:14:26 <CaptainTobin> JUST NOW
20:14:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> No I'm saying linking to other pages can't be done by HTML, to insert from another file into it.
20:14:46 <tomman> yeah, that's a quite severe brainfart
20:15:11 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like reaching out for another file to insert its information, I need PHP to do that.
20:15:15 <CaptainTobin> I really wanted to go the rest of the year without saying this.. but you need to be exterminated JesusGod-Pope666
20:15:33 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well we are in the 8 month of the year by the way.
20:15:48 <CaptainTobin> k.
20:15:49 <JesusGod-Pope666> so that's at least 4-5 moons you have on that.
20:15:58 <CaptainTobin> so who are you dude?
20:16:24 <JesusGod-Pope666> heres my webpage: https://jesusgod-pope666.info I use php something to insert things.
20:16:28 <CaptainTobin> cause you're not real.
20:16:44 <JesusGod-Pope666> I'm from Denmark a nation who have rejected and left God.
20:17:22 <CaptainTobin> and tomman as we know from the Narrator's instructional video that anyone who starts not to make sense in all likelyhood is not real.. I SHOULD allow him to finish his thought and then leave.
20:18:05 <JesusGod-Pope666> <!php include "file.php"; ?> <---- Hack the planet!!!
20:18:12 <JesusGod-Pope666> Works wonderful.
20:18:19 <CaptainTobin> that isn't even valid php code
20:18:20 <JesusGod-Pope666> Just make all your html files into PHP.
20:18:25 <JesusGod-Pope666> It works....
20:18:31 <CaptainTobin> it isn't valid php code
20:18:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> ups...
20:18:48 <CaptainTobin> just like we are in the 11th fucking month of 2022
20:18:57 <JesusGod-Pope666> <?php include "file.php"; ?>
20:18:59 <CaptainTobin> and hyperlinks still exist
20:19:06 <JesusGod-Pope666> there we go
20:19:14 <CaptainTobin> only morons use tags like that
20:19:17 <JesusGod-Pope666> I'm not talking about hyperlinks
20:19:21 <tomman> now go do some classic ASP
20:19:29 <tomman> and yeah, that's not a link
20:19:30 <CaptainTobin> you said html hyperlinks were not possible without php
20:19:32 <tomman> that's an include!
20:19:48 <CaptainTobin> [1510-12] <JesusGod-Pope666> Can't even link to other HTML files using HTML....
20:19:48 <JesusGod-Pope666> never used the word hyperlinks, please show me saing that.
20:19:48 <CaptainTobin> [1510-17] <JesusGod-Pope666> you need PHP for that, utter sucks.
20:20:04 <JesusGod-Pope666> not hyperlink
20:20:15 <CaptainTobin> link is SHORT for hyperlink
20:20:16 <CaptainTobin> moron
20:20:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> include other html files, HTML files... better?
20:20:40 <CaptainTobin> that isn't what you said tho
20:20:43 <tomman> you're confusing include directives with HTML standard hyperlinks?! God is dead
20:20:57 <CaptainTobin> and you can do it with nginx str8 up
20:20:59 <JesusGod-Pope666> no HTML includes, is terrible.
20:21:01 <CaptainTobin> it is built in
20:21:07 <CaptainTobin> well enabled by default
20:21:09 <tomman> why in the hell I would want an HTML include?!
20:21:11 <JesusGod-Pope666> should be standard.
20:21:15 <CaptainTobin> you said you can't do it without php
20:21:16 <tomman> (as in "native to HTML")
20:21:28 <CaptainTobin> you can do it with most server software as well as every language
20:21:32 <JesusGod-Pope666> tomman because I use it all of the time in my website build.
20:21:38 <tomman> if you want templating, do it SERVER SIDE, or use one of the zillion vomitive JS framenotworks
20:21:44 <CaptainTobin> tomman: but that isn't what he said..
20:21:50 <JesusGod-Pope666> Why need to have other things for something HTML should be able to do?
20:21:55 <tomman> I need to have some covfefe, guys :D
20:22:09 <CaptainTobin> why do you think it is the job of html to do all these things?
20:22:12 <JesusGod-Pope666> HTML should be able to include other HTML files for building websites.
20:22:15 <CaptainTobin> why do you think it is the job of html to do all these things?
20:22:21 <JesusGod-Pope666> because that is standard.
20:22:22 <CaptainTobin> why do you think it is the job of html to do all these things?
20:22:31 <CaptainTobin> what standard?
20:22:36 <JesusGod-Pope666> standard feature for programming a website.
20:22:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> foundational.
20:22:49 <tomman> once again, WHY?!
20:22:50 <JesusGod-Pope666> Foundational sanity.
20:23:00 <CaptainTobin> standard feature based on what historical context?
20:23:03 <tomman> you want the features of a framework on a layout language?!
20:23:05 <CaptainTobin> did the arpanet need it?
20:23:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> because it is foundation to build a website without programs to help you do what should be easy peasy.
20:23:30 <tomman> sounds like the sorry excuse Google would use to justify WebComponents™
20:23:31 <CaptainTobin> it IS easy
20:23:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> I only use PHP to include other files, I should not need to use PHP to get that feature.
20:24:07 <tomman> that's because including files is NOT the function of a LAYOUT language, which HTML is
20:24:10 <CaptainTobin> I been building websites since 1996 and I was fucking 9 and apperently I knew more about html using HotDog Pro than you have now with the benefits of those like my self 25 years later
20:24:28 <tomman> it's like asking a Toyota Corolla to mow grass
20:24:41 <CaptainTobin> well trust the plan
20:24:46 <CaptainTobin> God's plan.
20:24:51 <tomman> heh, HotDog Pro
20:24:57 <tomman> haven't heard that name in about 20 years
20:25:07 <CaptainTobin> you are the ONLY OTHER PERSON i know who has even heard of it
20:25:08 <JesusGod-Pope666> I don't care about your guys irrationality - I know it should be default and that's it. No user should need to use a program for that or PHP.
20:25:08 <tomman> (I do miss 1st Page 2000)
20:25:10 <CaptainTobin> thank you dude
20:25:35 <CaptainTobin> no USER is a programmer
20:25:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> But I'll just use PHP to do it for now, it is as it is.
20:25:54 <JesusGod-Pope666> And it works pretty good on my webpage.
20:25:58 <CaptainTobin> if you want to do more than consume you must take the resonsibility
20:26:10 <tomman> it's like asking an ATM to dispense vodka because "I only use ATMs to get cash to buy vodka, why ATMs don't serve vodka!?"
20:26:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like even the music programming language understands include.
20:26:40 <CaptainTobin> HTML isn't a programming language
20:26:43 <JesusGod-Pope666> HTML should have its own include.
20:26:47 <CaptainTobin> it is a hypertext markup language
20:26:54 <tomman> "vodka-serving should be a core feature of ATMs!"
20:27:07 <tomman> "I should not need cash to get vodka from an ATM!"
20:27:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well should still be default in the hypertext markup language including more markup.
20:27:23 <CaptainTobin> there are only 25 letters in the alphabet but there are also numbers in the alphabet
20:27:32 <tomman> "the default on ATMs should be vodka, not money"
20:28:00 <tomman> brb, sending that business idea to get venture capital funding
20:28:14 <CaptainTobin> tomman: there is a problem with your strategy.. your ridiculous shit makes more sense than his ridiculous shit
20:28:31 <tomman> I'm pretty much sure NCR and Diebold-Nixdorf would be on the same page
20:31:57 <JesusGod-Pope666> <html include "file.html"> Something of that sort so be part of HTML'
20:32:46 <JesusGod-Pope666> So I don't need to use PHP.
20:32:55 <JesusGod-Pope666> Which should not be necesary.
20:33:37 <JesusGod-Pope666> HTML does linking to CSS, does it not?
20:33:44 <JesusGod-Pope666> So why not another HTML file.
20:34:41 <JesusGod-Pope666> is this not part of html? <link rel="stylesheet" href="mystyle.css">
20:35:09 <JesusGod-Pope666> If this is part of HTML, then why in the world would an include command to another html be so far fetched?
20:42:10 <CaptainTobin> JesusGod-Pope666: ask WG9s_
20:42:20 <CaptainTobin> they are much nicer than i am
20:47:44 <CaptainTobin> tomman: this might mean he is smarter than we are
20:47:46 <CaptainTobin> eh?
20:51:37 <JesusGod-Pope666> I'll have to go, need to text the 32 bit apps on a 32 bit system.
20:51:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> test
20:51:46 <JesusGod-Pope666> for my portable collection.
20:53:55 <CaptainTobin> Thank god.
20:53:57 <CaptainTobin> LOL
20:54:28 <tomman> sorry guys, banks rejected my idea of vodka-dispensing ATMs
20:54:36 <CaptainTobin> well shit
20:54:36 <tomman> they said "our core competency is money management"
20:54:50 <CaptainTobin> well you didn't expect an HONEST answer did you?
20:55:13 <tomman> maybe I wasn't Disruptive™ enough
20:55:32 <CaptainTobin> TRUE
20:56:01 <CaptainTobin> You realize because this channel is publicly logged we are gonna make the list of someone more imposing than a subreddit freak eventually right?
20:56:37 <tomman> better than just being read by bored spies at some TLA
20:56:52 <tomman> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33469978 kinda related
20:57:05 <tomman> "Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee wants us to 'ignore' Web3: 'Web3 is not the web at all'"
20:57:27 <CaptainTobin> yeah it is blackbox binary encrypted web
20:58:17 <tomman> even more sadly, they ignored the hookers and blackjack
20:58:39 <CaptainTobin> which is another reason I am keeping classical shit intact.. i predict until ISPs literally lock out and packet inspect .. we will have TWO webs.. in fact not just in practice by the end.. the corperate blackbox web and the web where it is still the web
21:49:59 * njsg wonders if <html include ...> wouldn't be like <iframe...>
21:53:10 * njsg reads backlog and wonders if Dan Brown was here
22:14:24 <tomman> abusing <iframe> as include directives? That's evil, y'know?
22:14:57 <tomman> that's like saying "my ATM serves vodka because it's inside a nightclub, next to the bar"
22:20:50 <njsg> tomman: <frameset cols="10%,90%">[...]<noframes>:-)</noframes></frameset>
23:09:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> Is there backup files for the saved Tabs in seamonkey?
23:09:30 <JesusGod-Pope666> seem to have lost all my tabs
23:10:38 <tomman> look at sessionstore.bak/sessionstore.json
23:10:46 <tomman> that happens to me every now and then
23:12:17 <JesusGod-Pope666> It would be nice with a feature that saved the tabs automatic once in a while.
23:12:28 <JesusGod-Pope666> so you could just restore things if something went wrong
23:13:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> does not look good...
23:14:09 <JesusGod-Pope666> I guess the sessionstore.bak should be the old.... and replaced that with the json file?
23:14:56 <JesusGod-Pope666> I really don't understand why saving the tabs would not be default, and making a saving point for the user.
23:15:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> should be a standard foundational feature
23:16:13 <tomman> eh, the tabs ARE saved on every exit (the .bak file is for the previous session)
23:16:30 <tomman> it just happens that for whatever reason the sessionstore.json gets corrupted or couldn't be properly loaded
23:16:56 <JesusGod-Pope666> More backups would be nice to have, and not just only one.
23:17:26 <tomman> what if the main file gets corrupted, and THEN you make a backup of that without learning first that it got corrupted?
23:17:32 <JesusGod-Pope666> And it should be something easily done in the browser itself.
23:18:12 <tomman> Dunno how Mozilla does session storage, there might be a weird race condition down there or something
23:18:21 <tomman> it only happens to me roughly once a month or so
23:18:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> Whatever the case my tabs are gone, and this is something that should have been fixed in every single browser to easily restore and yet not really seen.
23:18:38 <JesusGod-Pope666> Yea but when you lose a 100 tabs or so, it is kinda annoying.
23:18:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> or just 20 for that matter
23:18:59 <JesusGod-Pope666> whatever number is tedious and wasting the users time.
23:19:11 <tomman> Last time I ended manually parsing the JSON from the corrupted file, and recovering my session from it
23:19:32 <JesusGod-Pope666> I just don't think that it is good enough to make excuses on this thing.,
23:19:34 <tomman> turns out the JSON wasn't actually corrupted, but for some reason it refused to load and ended with a blank tab (not even the homepage!)
23:19:47 <JesusGod-Pope666> This is an well known issue overall that so many people end up hitting into
23:19:53 <tomman> In any case, how would you even debug that?
23:20:05 <tomman> I would like helping to find a fix, but I have no clue on why or how it happens...
23:20:13 <tomman> (or how would you even debug it...)
23:20:27 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, it still should not be difficult to fix it with a feature that saves all tabs of the user.
23:20:36 <tomman> Having said that, that could be something that could be extended with... yeah, an addon
23:20:55 <tomman> wasn't there any good addon for managing saved tabs or something? Or export tabs to a file, restore from file, etc...
23:20:59 <JesusGod-Pope666> If the Browser saves all tabs every hour, and makes it possible for the user to easily recover it a save point - the issue is fixed.
23:21:01 <tomman> now that's something I could put to good use
23:21:22 <JesusGod-Pope666> It should be default in the browser itself.
23:21:27 <JesusGod-Pope666> not just by an addon.
23:21:27 <tomman> > -rw------- 1 tomman tomman   785385 nov  5 19:06 sessionstore.json
23:21:35 <tomman> it seems it's saved in realtime, or close to it
23:21:51 <JesusGod-Pope666> Just a little thing saving the Tabs every hour or so, if anything happens the user can quickly restore a save point.
23:22:04 <tomman> yeah, openeed a new tab, sessionstore.json got updated on disk
23:22:10 <tomman> it seems to save on realtime indeed
23:22:30 <JesusGod-Pope666> Should not be something that is difficult to program or do... or take much cpu power or data storrage.
23:22:49 <njsg> tomman: do you have the settings set to open a blank tab on a new window?
23:22:52 <tomman> An interesting idea would be to rename the previous one to .bak, then save the new one on realtime too
23:23:01 <tomman> njsg: it's the default Seamonkey homepage
23:23:27 <JesusGod-Pope666> ........ I don't know why you try to complicate things... I guess that is the agenda by many.
23:23:32 <tomman> I know my sessionstore.json got to hell when I open a fresh SeaMonkey session and I got a blank tab instead of SeaMonkey's homepage
23:23:52 <tomman> JesusGod-Pope666: dude, we already told you why ATMs can't dispense vodka!
23:24:00 <tomman> there is a bug somewhere, indeed
23:24:05 <njsg> JesusGod-Pope666: it is probably difficult to fix because the problem isn't lack of *saving* the tabs, these *are* stored regularly. If not by default then I don't recall the setting for that.
23:24:08 <tomman> but we need to find a entry point to attack
23:24:29 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, just make something that saves all tabs, every hour or so.
23:24:31 <tomman> if we knew the exact parameters to trigger the bug that would be awesome
23:24:38 <JesusGod-Pope666> integrate it into the browser as a default option
23:24:41 <tomman> the tabs alre already saved in realtime!!!!!!!
23:24:47 <njsg> JesusGod-Pope666: problems might be not that it's not being saved, but rather than it's not being restored, and now there's the question of why does it then work for some cases and not for others
23:24:53 <JesusGod-Pope666> then if it happens, the user can quickly restore a save point.
23:24:58 <tomman> njsg: that would be my exact case
23:25:12 <tomman> the JSON file is not even corrupted (standard JSON parsers parse it just fine)
23:25:46 <JesusGod-Pope666> If you just fixed a save point feature, which has always been needed, losing the tabs would not be an issue anymore as you could easily restore a point.
23:25:47 <tomman> What I could do to make things more robust is to save the previous file to .bak on realtime too
23:26:44 <JesusGod-Pope666> Or have multiple backup files, so you at least have a point of salvation for most of the tabs.
23:27:17 <tomman> but that's just a bandaid, what we need to research is why the bug happens in first place
23:27:55 <JesusGod-Pope666> But no matter how much you fix it, this happens to every browser no matter how much it is fixed and stable... So this is not a just a bandaid, but a real solid feature.
23:28:14 <JesusGod-Pope666> whether this is the app or the user, it happens here and there.
23:28:41 <JesusGod-Pope666> And thereby a automated save feature of the tabs url's would be a great thing to have.
23:29:22 <tomman> I don't object that (despite it being already there although with a possible improvement point), but in any case I would focus on locating the root problem and fixing it
23:29:41 <tomman> we can get both birds with the same stone
23:31:09 <JesusGod-Pope666> Just adding another field in the bookmark drop down... restore last user session, just below that have restore XX user session with the last 10 or so saves from the last 10 hours.
23:31:26 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like let it save all tabs every hour, or half an hour or so. maybe even every 15 minutes.
23:31:47 <JesusGod-Pope666> or 10 minutes, but if something happens - the user can easily and quickly recover most of it.
23:32:01 <JesusGod-Pope666> Maybe saving it every 5 minutes, and have 10 saves.
23:32:15 <JesusGod-Pope666> or something of that nature.
23:32:18 <tomman> wonder how many users would even make use of that
23:32:24 <JesusGod-Pope666> If you make the feature I will test what is the best setting.
23:32:35 <tomman> this is why I see that more of functionality for an addon
23:32:40 <JesusGod-Pope666> tomman they will use it every time it faulters, and thereby be a great salvation when it does.
23:32:50 <tomman> Depends on the user
23:32:51 <JesusGod-Pope666> No... it has to be integrated directly.
23:32:54 <tomman> some may care, some don't
23:33:02 <tomman> for some their sessions are ephemeral
23:33:02 <JesusGod-Pope666> All will care when they lose there tabs.
23:33:13 <JesusGod-Pope666> No one likes losing there stuff.
23:33:16 <tomman> I know many users that don't give a damn on their sessions
23:33:25 <tomman> if it is gone, it's gone
23:33:33 <tomman> for others, yeah, session reliability matters
23:33:34 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, then there are times when they maybe do.
23:33:47 <JesusGod-Pope666> And that single time they do, they will be happy.
23:34:08 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like come on, it should not be difficult to program for you programming nerds? It's just a save of the URL tabs.
23:34:28 <JesusGod-Pope666> I'll test the setting if you do the programming.
23:34:31 <JesusGod-Pope666> settings
23:34:46 <tomman> Famous Last Words™
23:35:12 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, I'm just saying, if you programmers know programming, how difficult can it be to do?
23:35:29 <tomman> it's not matter of knowing how to code, but knowing the codebase
23:35:42 <tomman> and Mozilla codebase is... well, for some it's like the doors to Hell
23:35:44 <JesusGod-Pope666> It is just a save of all open tabs, you already have something that saves the tabs at closing, so... you just need to make it do it while the program runs.
23:35:56 <JesusGod-Pope666> I'm sure you guys knows the codebase :)
23:37:07 <JesusGod-Pope666> Anyway... is there any change I can recover my tabs here? Do I rename the bak file?
23:37:25 <tomman> that will restore the PREVIOUS session
23:38:07 <tomman> what I usually do is to pretty-print the "corrupted" sessionstore.json (on Linux I use json_pp), then open that on a texteditor and work from there
23:38:40 <tomman> the contents of it are daunting because it contains not only the open tabs, but also the history for each tab, closed tabs, and even windows!
23:38:53 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well the Browser has been opened another place, and thereby... the damage is most likely done.
23:39:02 <tomman> sometimes I rely on graphical JSON parsers since it makes things MUCH more comfortable
23:39:39 <JesusGod-Pope666> {"windows":[],"selectedWindow":0,"_closedWindows":[],"session":{"state":"stopped","lastUpdate":1667686560922,"startTime":1666290963761,"recentCrashes":0}}
23:39:41 <tomman> ah, that also can happen - if the browser fails to restore the stored session it will just start a new one
23:39:52 <JesusGod-Pope666> Yea... and it seems to have done so.
23:39:55 <tomman> then you still have the .bak... from your PREVIOUS session
23:40:06 <JesusGod-Pope666> well, that bak might also be...
23:40:22 <JesusGod-Pope666> {"windows":[],"selectedWindow":0,"_closedWindows":[],"session":{"state":"stopped","lastUpdate":1667686560922,"startTime":1666290963761,"recentCrashes":0}}
23:40:28 <JesusGod-Pope666> well.... thats all in the file.
23:40:49 <JesusGod-Pope666> So I guess my tabs are lost.
23:40:59 <JesusGod-Pope666> Really a auto saving all tabs feature would do it.
23:41:01 <tomman> so either your previous session was blank, or you closed and opened SeaMonkey twice after getting your session  zapped
23:41:04 <JesusGod-Pope666> just an auto saving
23:41:15 <JesusGod-Pope666> tomman, yea that might be so.
23:41:16 <tomman> then you ended with a blank session... and its backup
23:41:36 <JesusGod-Pope666> I was doing something else and did not take notice of the issue.
23:41:48 <JesusGod-Pope666> I was testing the portable apps for 32 bit compability.
23:42:09 <JesusGod-Pope666> But pretty just and autosaving all tabs....
23:42:24 <JesusGod-Pope666> you would just need to make something that automatically makes a saving point.
23:43:16 <njsg> JesusGod-Pope666: an automated save feature already exists.
23:43:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> bookmark group of tabs, I think would do it with an autofeature running in the background.
23:43:56 <JesusGod-Pope666> njsg, not an easy recovery of tabs it seems....
23:44:10 <tomman> damn, there are no good tab management addons for SeaMonkey!?
23:44:28 <tomman> only this one: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/seamonkey/addon/monitor-master/
23:44:36 <tomman> but it doesn't deal with tab import/export/backup stuff
23:44:39 <njsg> restore might require pressing a button, or are there cases where it's automatic?
23:45:22 <njsg> tomman: I've not touched tab mix plus in ages, but I think that's what comes to my mind for a tab extension
23:45:48 <tomman> njsg: restoring last session is an option on Settings for start page
23:46:05 <JesusGod-Pope666> Restore saving point session : And have a list of last savings
23:46:08 <tomman> I always restore it from History->Restore previous session
23:46:24 <tomman> but I always do the same, wonder why I haven't bothered to properly setup it :D
23:46:29 <JesusGod-Pope666> restoring last session is great... but when it fails, you would like to have a way to easily recover things.
23:46:30 <njsg> tomman: yeah, but what about the one that handles crashed sessions?
23:46:32 <tomman> *fixing that*
23:46:47 <njsg> JesusGod-Pope666: when *what* fails? recovering last session?
23:46:52 <njsg> does that happen often?
23:47:15 <njsg> if you can consistently reproduce that, I'd be interesting to know the steps to reproduce
23:47:16 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well when it fails, then all the tabs are gone. Yea kinda happens here and there for me. But its not only Seamonkey that have that issue.
23:47:21 <tomman> njsg: With crashed sessions I got one of three: 1) the session restores automatically, 2) I got a tab with "we're sorry"and a button to restore my session if i want, or 3) in rare cases my session is zapped
23:47:33 <JesusGod-Pope666> I can't  consistently reproduce it, but when it happens it sucks!!!
23:47:44 <tomman> JesusGod-Pope666: Same, basically
23:47:58 <tomman> this is why it's puzzling, because I don't know of a way of reliably triggering it
23:48:19 <tomman> it just happens when you expect it the least
23:48:21 <JesusGod-Pope666> So we just need a auto save function for sessions so one can easily restore most of the work.
23:48:41 <JesusGod-Pope666> Then most of the pains are fixed, pretty much :)
23:48:55 <njsg> but that function already exists...
23:49:01 <njsg> tomman: I think 2 is what I get most often (not that this happens a lot, and most of the recent cases here were not software-related)
23:49:18 <JesusGod-Pope666> I don't see that function.
23:49:34 <JesusGod-Pope666> I see restore tabs from last session and if that fails, then everything is lost.
23:49:58 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like if the user, like myself opens up and it is gone, or forget to restore and close it down - then it is lost as well....
23:50:05 <tomman> I would say: the session IS saved, but when it fails to load, it's... deleted
23:50:10 <tomman> I would tweak that
23:50:24 <tomman> instead of deleting it, move it to something else, like sessionstore.damaged
23:50:27 <JesusGod-Pope666> Only save point, which can easily be lost, is not good enough for users like me.
23:50:39 <tomman> that would be a start for diagnosing the bug
23:50:48 <tomman> if it is actually the file that gets corrupted or what
23:51:07 <tomman> because by the time you get the blank window, it's already too late: the evidence has been destroyed!
23:51:16 <JesusGod-Pope666> could be the user as well that makes the error, but overall, a saving point system would fix it.
23:51:22 <tomman> (Unless you enforce snapshots at the filesystem level)
23:52:09 <tomman> I mean, if you find something wrong the most sane option is to delete stuff and start from scratch, but from a bug diagnosing point of view, that's Bad™
23:52:45 <JesusGod-Pope666> If you just had Saving points of tabs, every hour or so... most of the tabs could be recovered. Having like 10 savepoints or so if anything goes wrong.
23:54:03 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like I have no idea what tabs I had opened up... and now they are just gone. Many times you have a lot of goodies in the tabs for later.
23:54:22 <tomman> I'm still of the idea that this should be the work for an addon rather than in the core product, but what we need is to stop destroying the evidence when something goes wrong with restoring the lastsession
23:54:39 <tomman> otherwise we will never be able to get this bug squashed
23:55:00 <JesusGod-Pope666> Well, I think some minor saving points should possible in the app itself - putting it just under the restore session :)
23:55:02 <tomman> and somewhere, somebody WILL keep complaining even if the session gets saved 30 times per second
23:55:49 <JesusGod-Pope666> No I'm fine if the session is saved like every hour or something of that nature, it would save most of my stuff for sure.
23:56:10 <JesusGod-Pope666> At least some way to recover things would be nice.
23:57:22 <JesusGod-Pope666> Maybe you could make multiple bak files.... and replace them as it goes... At least that makes the chance for recover better at least....
23:57:50 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like 10 bak files.... so you don't by mistake overwrite the one that should have saved you.
23:58:10 <JesusGod-Pope666> if all the data is placed in the bak file anyway...
23:59:02 <JesusGod-Pope666> Like even with a old savepoint from last closure would be better then nothing....