18:18:23 <CaptainTobin> sup fools
18:18:31 <CaptainTobin> how goes it frg_Away IanN_Away
18:19:57 <frg_Away> hi Trying to install Alma Linux with KDE for a new macOS toolchain. Lets just say it could go smoother...
18:20:25 <CaptainTobin> cross compile clang?
18:21:52 <frg_Away> yes but first I need to have a working system... Why is it that with every Linux I am in obscure config options and need sudo after about 10 minutes because something is not working....
18:22:38 <CaptainTobin> well i finally decided on the final tree structure i want for my codebase.. everything save dom js ipc tools build config moz-tree wise that I haven't DEEMED as mine or is an otherwise hotpath patch target are in system/ while my shit will be in runtime/ and apps are in apps/ of course.. that way i can keep my revised structure but have an easier time porting either removing first slash or changing comm/ to system/ no problem for me
18:22:55 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: because Linux should only have one user
18:22:59 <CaptainTobin> .. the console
18:23:09 <CaptainTobin> anything more is just unrealistic
18:23:46 <CaptainTobin> i'd kill for a linux distro that ran exactly normally just with no concept of what a .. user is..
18:23:54 <CaptainTobin> i want dos AS linux
18:24:02 <CaptainTobin> or is that linux AS dos
18:24:08 <CaptainTobin> i think it is that one
18:25:08 <CaptainTobin> anyway.. https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commits/_restructureMozTrees heh
18:25:32 <CaptainTobin> I added domi sources to the repo then completely about faced and started moving shit around
18:25:33 <CaptainTobin> ...
18:25:45 <CaptainTobin> never got domi building
18:25:47 <CaptainTobin> as a component
18:26:36 <CaptainTobin> that xpcom js component I added from a fork tat allows shift rightclick inspection of nearly any element anywhere i will have to put behind a pref cause i can't have every single project having shift+click opening domi lol
18:26:48 <frg_Away> well I prefer Opensuse but ran into constant compiler problems with it. But great for my backup server. But now they want to go containers too. Bon voyage when this happens. There are few things I hate more than containers.
18:27:02 <CaptainTobin> this also means i cna bypass the slightly faulty sidebar panel install and just include the panel str8 up
18:27:11 <CaptainTobin> I prefer Windows.
18:27:29 <CaptainTobin> but servers i do tend to stick with the redhats
18:27:51 <CaptainTobin> you ever just issue mach build -v for a change of pace?
18:27:58 <CaptainTobin> is that pathetic?
18:29:03 <CaptainTobin> we can ask WG9s
18:29:16 <CaptainTobin> do you ever just issue mach build with -v JUST for the change of pace?
18:29:22 <CaptainTobin> and is that desperately pathetic?
18:30:34 <WG9s> I only do mach build with -v when trying to figureout a build failure and cant figure it out without the -v
18:31:09 <CaptainTobin> i need to make sure all the commands i added to mach over the years respond to both -s and -v properly
18:31:12 <CaptainTobin> some don't
18:31:21 <CaptainTobin> but i was lazy at the time
18:31:41 <WG9s> it takes longer espectially under windows where extra logging increases the build time significantly
18:31:53 <CaptainTobin> a few minutes maybe
18:32:21 <CaptainTobin> up to 10 on machines i'd guess 2014 and older
18:32:35 <CaptainTobin> if i recall the last time i tested various things and stuff
18:33:14 <CaptainTobin> well my affinity for -v likely comes from historical usage of client.mk .. the best file ever
18:33:45 <CaptainTobin> that was sarcasim btw client.mk in ever form i have encountered is a nasty bitch
18:33:52 <CaptainTobin> would you agree WG9s_
18:35:12 <CaptainTobin> oh https://github.com/binoc-third-party-archive/comm-esr52
18:35:14 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away:
18:36:59 <CaptainTobin> but anyway frg_Away if i did ever manage to build off your mailnews core and co i'd basically be cloning in your comm and building off that even if I have to setup my own "external" build config
18:37:08 <frg_Away> CaptainTobin any problmes with the conversion?
18:37:15 <CaptainTobin> none i can see
18:37:27 <CaptainTobin> every file i have queried for i have gotten what I expected
18:38:06 <CaptainTobin> i did actually have to upload the zip to my server.. and then import it to my gogs instance THEN import it to github cause github refused a direct push
18:38:38 <CaptainTobin> gogs fell down with the push too i tried three times
18:38:42 <CaptainTobin> that was fun
18:38:59 <CaptainTobin> i mean the operation failed the forge didn't crash or anything
18:39:13 <CaptainTobin> so that was good at least.
18:41:14 <CaptainTobin> anyway with me renaming all the more complex moztrees back to their original cvs project name under system/ any ports from me to you that might cleanly apply would only need trimming the path when applying
18:41:34 <CaptainTobin> so least there is theoretical benefit beyond my own
18:42:05 <CaptainTobin> you know .. pre-mozbuild doing a tree restructure was extremely fucking tedious as hell and that is why it stayed in its cvs form for so long
18:42:32 <CaptainTobin> you go update several Makefiles.sh as well as AllMakeFiles
18:42:48 <CaptainTobin> and various random hacky makefile target mappings spread all over
18:43:57 <CaptainTobin> so in its mature form mozbuild may never live up to its promise but more most cases it is a decent enough system.. just wish it was this decent when it first landed.. mozconfigure however remains mozconfusion
18:45:36 <CaptainTobin> I am literally gonna sit down and rename and change anywhere it says mozconfigure or moz.configure to mozconfusion or moz.confusion
18:45:42 <CaptainTobin> one day
18:46:03 <CaptainTobin> before I rip it out.. Issue #XXX - Remove MozConfusion.
18:57:46 <CaptainTobin> another concept I have build system wise is to establish a few configure options that take values say --enable-component=ldap or --disable-component=updater which would set AURA_COMPONENT_X=1 or whatever and do the same for modules and app features that would basically eliminate a bunch of configure logic for the simple flags
18:58:40 <CaptainTobin> this is ACTUALLY A Mozilla Solution or based upon one.. cause they had a very similar facility in the xulrunner build configuration
18:58:44 <CaptainTobin> a long time ago
18:58:50 <CaptainTobin> i don't think anyone ever used it
18:59:25 <CaptainTobin> but I came across it and you know what? It is a DAMNED good idea
19:01:18 <CaptainTobin> cause seriously.. i don't know why we need extensive repeated logic to set something as 1 and to define it
19:19:20 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: I deff see some beneficial mailnews core patches that neither g4jc grabbed nor was included in thunderbird's esr52
19:21:12 <CaptainTobin> such as https://github.com/binoc-third-party-archive/comm-esr52/commit/bb570828f88f62e3e8d69ab8e86219a67644fc6f
19:21:19 <CaptainTobin> i deff don't have that
20:07:06 <CaptainTobin> no matter where I live it seems in the summer i have to remove as many splits between the modem and the drop as possible but then when it starts not being 100 degrees every day i have to add splits back in to bring the ds power level down
20:42:00 <frg_Away> CaptainTobin Yes mapi works in x64 in 2.49.5 because of them. But some might need initial rust strings support. Has been some time again too.
20:42:28 <CaptainTobin> I am not even sure why I still support mapi
20:42:38 <CaptainTobin> what the hell uses mapi
20:42:58 <CaptainTobin> and of those that might need it how many are actually gonna use my client
20:43:04 <CaptainTobin> 2.. MAYBE
20:43:21 <CaptainTobin> these days i mean what these days uses it
20:44:20 <frg_Away> Libre Office uses it. I can do without but comes in handy when you you wan to quick send a file. Not a must have but some user might want it.
20:44:45 <CaptainTobin> windows sendto support THAT'S ALL THAT IS KEEPING IT HANGING ON lol
20:45:29 <CaptainTobin> so wait mailnews core has been rust compramised?
20:45:34 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away:
20:45:44 <CaptainTobin> mailnews mork and ldap
20:46:28 <frg_Away> some string stuff for locales.
20:46:32 <CaptainTobin> i seriously don't understand the attraction of rust as a language
20:46:50 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: well i can adapt it back to properties and stringbundles
20:46:57 <CaptainTobin> in the classical way
20:47:13 <CaptainTobin> maybe create a shim
20:47:21 <CaptainTobin> to whatever the new way is to the older way
20:47:55 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: I assume accessing strings has been tampered with you aren't citing l10n packaging are you?
20:48:24 <frg_Away> Well then we are two but before I try to do everything myself I use what is in and see that suite code is not directly polluted.
20:49:09 <CaptainTobin> know what I never understood.. why for dtds in locales can't the system overlay non-en-US intop of en-US as the base so any missing strings or dtds always have at LEAST the english
20:49:43 <frg_Away> The toml files are rust so there is probably some in the build too. But some of the l10n apis are now rust based.
20:50:25 <CaptainTobin> but how does that change mailnews core its self.. different function call? something else?
20:50:44 <CaptainTobin> packaging
20:53:18 <frg_Away> Does not change it but some of the stirng functions are now different. I would need to check again. Has been some time again here since I ported.
20:55:04 <CaptainTobin> well yet it ain't a big priority so don't worry too much aboot it.. my priorities atm are get this tree restructured in a useful way scrape all the community sources and try and shove it all into a box and build it and have it not be fucked up for another month
20:56:08 <CaptainTobin> so basically life under the watchful eye of The Beast.
21:07:14 <frg_Away> Personally I would keep the restructuring to a minimum. You end up with sand running thru your fingers and nothing in the end if you do too much at once. If the code runs and it is not mine I no longer care that much. Enough left what needs attention in suite and/or backports.
21:08:40 <CaptainTobin> you want to maintain and stay theoretically useful.. I want to create evolve advance something already theoretically useful but hasn't been shown as such for real in a decade or more
21:09:08 <CaptainTobin> still lots of overlap tho
21:09:59 <CaptainTobin> i am one crazy fat man trying to recreate mozilla before it all went wrong with the slight issue that nearly everyone hates me
21:10:07 <CaptainTobin> what could possibly go wrong.
21:11:44 <CaptainTobin> you are seamonkey don't let anyone tell you otherwise especially me frg_Away but what i wanna be is netscape dominated mozilla org
21:12:41 <CaptainTobin> just not aol dominated netscape dominated mozilla org
21:12:44 <CaptainTobin> of course
21:13:57 <frg_Away> well world domination can come later. I just want my/our suite working :)
21:23:46 <tomman> we can dominate the world AFTER dethroning Silly Valley and China
21:27:37 <CaptainTobin> there may not BE a world after tomman that's the problem
21:28:02 <CaptainTobin> and they won't go down easily
21:28:02 <tomman> but Silly Valley doesn't have nukes, last time I checked :D
21:28:12 <CaptainTobin> tomman: how many nukes do you have?
21:28:17 <CaptainTobin> and can I borrow a couple
21:28:26 <tomman> I may have a few atoms here and there
21:45:54 <CaptainTobin> only a few more trees.. http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/search?string=%2Flayout&find=\.build
21:46:06 <CaptainTobin> layout/ -> system/layout/
22:32:50 <Tobin> I am gonna leave layout/ at the root too cause there is shit you have undoubtedly that is still pure nsLayout
22:33:00 <Tobin> that I am sure I don't
22:33:09 <Tobin> even if you replaced it with servo later