02:03:49 <CaptainTobin> tomman: have you noticed that except for Microsoft.. everything in the 90s computer ui wise had this lavendar purple dominating color scheme
02:04:02 <CaptainTobin> including netscape 4's iconset
02:05:08 <CaptainTobin> personally I'd like to trace over the entire netscape 4 icon set but give it that acrylic shine effect i like to it
02:05:47 <CaptainTobin> with gradients except grey or light blue instead of lavendar town
02:06:04 <CaptainTobin> at LEAST 64x64 raster
02:06:24 <tomman> what, and not paying an overpriced art school dropout for monochrome abstract SVGs in dark mode? :D
02:06:51 <CaptainTobin> i'd stick with the icons i been replacing the default theme with if given that choice
02:07:02 <CaptainTobin> it is just i don't HAVE one stylistically consistant theme
02:07:51 <CaptainTobin> my stylistic preference is obvious
02:08:56 <CaptainTobin> seeing as color and gradients are coming back stylistically again.. pretty soon acryic shine will be back with pseudo-realistic icons.. tho we WILL have to go through the XP icon cycle
02:11:09 <CaptainTobin> windows 8 had windows 2/3 icons.. windows 10 had windows 95 complexity.. windows 11 has win2k level of complexity just without the dithering and the artistic soul to pull it off.. windows 12 will likely have icons that is a higher deff xp style THEN windows 13 will have vista icons again more or less same aesthetic different glyph and like 24k resolution cause we can now cheaply generate raster effects of any size somehow.. and windows 13 being the
02:11:09 <CaptainTobin> theoretical target for vista aesthetic returning is just perfect
02:11:13 <CaptainTobin> tomman
02:11:17 <tomman> I just want the return of 3D titlebars and window borders on Windows
02:11:27 <tomman> or even better, Make Aero Great Again™
02:11:52 <CaptainTobin> ok you do know that even if it isn't translucent it is still 3d
02:11:55 <CaptainTobin> surface
02:12:03 <CaptainTobin> that is how dwm works
02:12:21 <tomman> then Windows 8 happened and the decided Windows 3.1 was hip again
02:12:33 <tomman> then Windows 10 happened and window borders were passé
02:12:49 <tomman> then Windows 11 happened and I'm too poor for buying a Mac so let's ROUNDED CORNERS YAY
02:12:52 <CaptainTobin> I am kinda over the translucent glass effect but i am sure it will crop up here and there web design wise
02:13:26 <CaptainTobin> the 4 px window borders are STILL THERE AT THAT WIDTH just invisable you only get the most inner px rendered for the accent line
02:13:51 <CaptainTobin> that is HARD CODED into dwm and they ain't changed it
02:14:11 <CaptainTobin> they just made the all the outer pixels transparent
02:14:30 <CaptainTobin> but hovering it behaves as a window border wise on 7
02:16:04 <CaptainTobin> tomman: you WILL notice however on my post-aero inspired default skin used primarily by the special component that I do indeed have a window border that isn't just 1px tho the window isn't resizable.. NOT YET ANYWAY .. ONE DAY
02:16:14 <CaptainTobin> http://preview.binaryoutcast.com/special/
02:16:33 <CaptainTobin> and my caption text is bold and has a drop shadow
02:16:49 <tomman> at least on Linux we get the freedom to bring our own window borders, but the GNOMErs are hellbent on killing that because "please do not theme our apps™"
02:16:57 <CaptainTobin> and the height is slimmer than a standard windows 10 window more akin to aero height
02:17:31 <CaptainTobin> the freedom of linux to have everything customizable be fucked beyond usefulness and then change the format half a dozen times so nothing old works and nothing new is worth bothering with
02:17:36 <CaptainTobin> sorry tomman no
02:18:09 <CaptainTobin> do you know how many metacity themes there are?
02:18:26 <CaptainTobin> how perfect they are and how they don't act right ever since marco was ported to gtk3
02:19:25 <tomman> once again, UI/UX sabotage is, to steal a phrase from JWZ, Official GNOME Policy™
02:20:09 <CaptainTobin> and even IF you have a good window manager providing frames perfectly.. with all the GTK3 horseshit getting UI controls that look good vs gtk2 ones is impossible.. and some THINGS aren't even possible and half the apps are using that custom client titlebar toolbar address bar commandbar shit
02:21:20 <CaptainTobin> i say write a window manager and use mozilla code for the rest.. classical of course
02:21:29 <CaptainTobin> xul desktop environment
02:21:34 <CaptainTobin> which can also be a windows shell
02:25:43 <tomman> https://deck-24abcd.netlify.app/ your daily waste of Chromeisms
02:26:03 <tomman> supposed to get shiny Pokemon cards using only CSS, instead got dynamic JS imports
02:26:39 <tomman> every time Hackernews post a fancy website doing stupid things, I can rest assured that it won't work on anything but Chrome and (hopefully) latest Firefox
02:26:55 <tomman> on the flip side, they're often broken on Safari and this pisses the pro-Apple Hackernews fandom
02:29:48 <tomman> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33363331 oh, it works in Safari... but laggy :D
02:32:49 <tomman> oh, it's SvelteJS
02:36:18 <tomman> 29ºC after a cold boot for that ol' Fujitsu
02:36:30 <tomman> watch how it goes up to 50ºC just by reading my email
02:36:46 <tomman> oh, wrong channel~
02:37:43 <franstam> SyntaxError: expected expression, got keyword 'import' oh that pokemon link on HN
02:38:20 <tomman> franstam: yup, those are dynamic imports
02:39:59 <franstam> i like rasz2's comment
02:40:09 <franstam> For majority of users (chrome) this is a detriment. Google really screwed up GPU Accelerated CSS Transitions. Open taskbar and look for yourself. Moving those cards around takes >10% of my old GPU (~1050) but 100% of one CPU core (3.4GHz Haswell). This is the most basic possible single quad texture being tilted around and Chrome eats whole CPU core!
02:40:13 <franstam> seriously
02:40:23 <CaptainTobin> well after I get the codebase all updated i will start my esr52 stock js engine retrofit research project
02:40:36 <franstam> o7 CaptainTobin
02:41:15 <tomman> franstam: so it means that a 4090Ti will perform like a i740 on that site?
02:41:17 <tomman> color me shocked :D
02:41:48 <CaptainTobin> still if i ever were to use a different js engine it would HAVE to meet or exceed what the current one is capable of
02:42:16 <CaptainTobin> IF you do it one version at a time it SHOULD be manageable
02:42:38 <CaptainTobin> like i betcha i can load up likely 54 with only a few build system changes
02:43:32 <CaptainTobin> the PROBLEM is that there are some portions that are dependant on uxp specific alterations
02:43:47 <CaptainTobin> that is why i want to use stock mozilla codebases as the PoC
02:44:26 <CaptainTobin> if i can do it then doing it specifically for the target codebases will also be possible just more difficult
02:45:08 <CaptainTobin> luckily we DO have history for the js engine going back to when I created the UXP repo
02:59:41 <CaptainTobin> of course I am gonna run into issues not being a cpp dev of any worth
02:59:59 <CaptainTobin> surprised i been able to do what I have managed thus far cpp wise and it ain't much
03:00:27 <CaptainTobin> still.. would be interesting to see how far I get in that endevor
03:06:37 <tomman> https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/27/the_gnome_project_is_closing/ FUCK
03:07:07 <tomman> GNOME, Dischorse, it's a match made in hell!
03:07:28 <tomman> wait, their excuse is Python2!?
03:09:23 <tomman> "The new platform offers way more features than Mailman, including gamification which newer generations, in general, appreciate,"
03:09:43 <tomman> yeah, because newer generations don't even use computers anymore, much less GNOME
03:10:26 <tomman> eugh, another project using Dicksauce as their "support platform", might as well suggest moving their bugtracker there? :D
03:11:07 <tomman> ...well, could have been worse, they could have switched to Discord :O
03:11:17 <CaptainTobin> wait what
03:11:19 <CaptainTobin> tomman:
03:11:31 <CaptainTobin> OH mailing lists
03:11:37 <CaptainTobin> clickbait url
03:11:49 <CaptainTobin> my irc webchat is python 2
03:11:56 <CaptainTobin> the codebase requires python 2
03:12:25 <tomman> oh, just noticed the URL
03:12:35 <CaptainTobin> i think i need to add a way to use tauthon and continue ripping out any python code i don't need so there is less to eventually port to py3 or change to something else
03:12:39 <tomman> guys, spare the Dom Perignon, we aren't celebrating tonight
04:26:03 <CaptainTobin> tomman: do you know one reason I love DOMi? I can just shift rightclick and delete just about any element if it is pissing me off
07:03:54 <njsg> gamification in user support and communication is a *feature*?
07:04:01 <njsg> well, right, this is GNOME.
07:04:47 <njsg> tomman: aren't they already using gitlab? so the bugtracker part has been screwed already
07:06:40 <njsg> s@using gitlab@& for bug reports@
22:23:05 <CaptainTobin> tomman: has it occured to you that we had no need for a DARK MODE in anything until we started adding a bunch of stark whitespace to everything
22:23:05 <CaptainTobin> chicago grey is NOT that bright lol
22:23:05 <CaptainTobin> even win2k grey isn't
22:23:05 <CaptainTobin> aero gray is on the line
22:24:30 <tomman> "dark mode" wasn't even a thing when we switched from MS-DOS white-on-black consoles to 800x600 Windows 95 gray windows densely packed with information
22:24:47 <tomman> or even QVGA cellphones
22:26:09 <CaptainTobin> now white text on a specially designed ux that was a thing but not DARK MODE
22:26:39 <CaptainTobin> that is why my site doesn't HAVE a dark mode
22:26:59 <CaptainTobin> I am simply designing light on dark now and it is full of style