13:30:50 <CraigParker[m]> I'm using element. Any way to see what got chatted since the other day when I was in here?
13:32:04 <CraigParker[m]> I'm looking for a way to use Owl in the mail client like I do Thunderbird, or somehow hook the client up to an office 365 account. It chokes out on regular IMAP.
13:38:51 <njsg> CraigParker[m]: no idea about element but there's a logbot on the web, let me see
13:39:14 <njsg> CraigParker[m]: https://ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/seamonkey/
13:39:17 <njsg> CraigParker[m]: Owl?
13:39:46 <njsg> some webextension to interact with Exchange? MFA?
13:51:52 <CraigParker[m]> Yes
14:05:41 <njsg> ok, hopefully somebody else will know more about this; there's also a person seeking advice regarding Exchange (or was it 365) integration in M&N in the newsgroup.
14:07:39 * njsg bbl
14:15:44 <CraigParker[m]> Is that a mailing list?
14:17:48 <CraigParker[m]> It may be moot. I've got some issues with KDE desktop, and if I go with Mate or GNOME, I can use Evolution for office365 mail. I noticed a few hiccups with the browser too though, where sites would say "Sorry, Bub. Browser no worky." I always though it was just firefox bundled with other stuff. No?
18:30:38 <njsg> CraigParker[m]: no, newsgroup, the previous one actually was bridged with a mailing list but now the list is separate (there is one, but most of the traffic is in the newsgroup)
18:32:13 <njsg> the current newsgroup is in the USENET hierarchy, the news.aioe.org news server for example can be used to read and post to it using Mail & News
18:37:36 <njsg> CraigParker[m]: it lacks some features newest firefox has, that sometimes is the problem. Other times, the problem is sites which don't see exactly what they want in the User-Agent string and decide it's a bad browser.
18:38:09 <njsg> And sometimes it's sites hosted by CloudFlare...
18:39:28 <njsg> it can help to see the javascript error console, that may have an error message helps identifying what's going wrong with a specific page
18:46:10 <tomman> ah, Clownflare's "we're checking your browser to see if you exist"
18:46:44 <tomman> also, every single website linking to browsehappy
18:46:58 <tomman> "your browser is old, upgrade"
18:47:16 <tomman> no, my browser is not old, your choices of webtech are just terrible
19:13:44 <CraigParker[m]> @njsg Which mailing list had the office 365 question?
20:19:40 <NewTobinParadigm> there that should do arrangement wise for a good long while http://personal.mattatobin.com/image/capture/bcc304a8-f8ce-42a9-85df-c966c8b565f5.jpg
20:20:24 <CraigParker[m]> Hmmm. I thought I was going overboard for wanting three. I guess I'm golden.
20:21:13 <CraigParker[m]> My biggest problem (literally) is wanting to see MySQL query results on one screen, at a font size I can read.
20:24:08 <NewTobinParadigm> one is hooked up to the craptop
20:24:48 <NewTobinParadigm> it runs the irc client and IM client
21:56:32 <njsg> CraigParker[m]: alt.comp.software.seamonkey on USENET, for example via aioe: news://news.aioe.org/alt.comp.software.seamonkey
21:59:58 <njsg> The subject is "Office365 calendars in Lightning w/OAuth"
22:23:46 <tomman> https://web.dev/state-of-css-2022/ are we CSS4 yet?
22:23:59 <tomman> (look at the rendering issue with numbered lists there!)
22:26:39 <tomman> apparently it uses some newfangled property, inset
22:26:55 <tomman> (but why the numbers overlap the list items even without "inset"?)
22:32:17 <tomman> all I see there is junk for advertising, designers, art school dropouts, and artists that have been smoking extra strong stuff
22:32:49 <tomman> But hey, anything that lessens the dependency on JavaScript vomit and CSS preprocessors is not THAT bad
22:32:55 <tomman> still, colored fonts?!
22:34:10 <NewTobinParadigm> the ONLY reason I could see for the list item marker wanting to be behind the list item for some easily to accomplish stylistic effect but wtf man
22:34:17 <NewTobinParadigm> also know what else chrome does?
22:34:34 <tomman> also, the colorspace stuff is something that would belong to a OS
22:34:37 <tomman> not to a browser
22:34:49 <NewTobinParadigm> it will quirk lists with no ul or ol
22:34:56 <NewTobinParadigm> defaulting to ol i believe
22:35:13 <NewTobinParadigm> but the browser IS your OS
22:35:17 <NewTobinParadigm> or will be eventually
22:35:38 <tomman> so much color management crapola that only a Photoshop addict on a Mac would appreciate
22:35:51 <tomman> this screams "brand designer" everywhere
22:36:45 <NewTobinParadigm> well those are the die hard commies that populated the UX team after 3.0 launched resulting in places and several other shitty changes in the 1.9.2 line and from 2.0 onward have been ruining everything on every level
22:36:48 <tomman> To be fair, some of the new shinies there are not all Chromeisms
22:37:02 <tomman> some are only supported by Firefox, and some only exists on Apple toys
22:37:11 <NewTobinParadigm> even if they aren't i betcha they are
22:37:22 <NewTobinParadigm> except for legacy shit and jumping the gun
22:37:24 <NewTobinParadigm> that is
22:37:36 <tomman> also the whole web.dev site looks all screwy on our NOT CHROME™ browsers because of course Google runs it
22:38:00 <NewTobinParadigm> our spectrum of not-chrome web clients
22:38:03 <NewTobinParadigm> tomman
22:38:05 <NewTobinParadigm> ;)
22:38:16 <tomman> it is like webdevs would love using Photoshop, not web browsers
22:38:30 <NewTobinParadigm> photoshop webapp
22:38:37 <tomman> wait, didn't Macromedia tried to pioneer using graphic editors as webpage designers like 30 years ago?
22:38:37 <NewTobinParadigm> that is the end goal for some i am sure
22:38:42 <tomman> Ah yeah, Fireworks!
22:39:05 <NewTobinParadigm> i fuckin loved macromedia
22:39:23 <NewTobinParadigm> such innovation and creativity
22:39:39 <NewTobinParadigm> all snuffed out when adobe nabbed them
22:39:46 <NewTobinParadigm> just like with nullsoft
22:40:01 <tomman> Flash indeed went to hell and became a bloaty pig well after Adobe assimilated it
22:40:02 <NewTobinParadigm> what advancements has winamp, shoutcast, or ground breaking feature in nsis
22:41:11 <NewTobinParadigm> the ONLY good adobe macromedia product was the series just after which the only thing adobe about it was the adobe logo showing they owned it.. but even that is debatable cause fuckin Flash 5 forever
22:41:34 <NewTobinParadigm> Flash 5 was the best Flash
23:27:21 <njsg> tomman: what's with that page, it wants a very wide window to render?
23:27:37 <njsg> text's split in half vertically, right to a huge blank left margin
23:29:13 <tomman> njsg: it's modern webdev in a nutshell
23:29:32 <tomman> you're supposed to read it from a cellphone, while high