00:31:25 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33228891 OMG, the pile of stupid webtech is overflowing! 00:36:02 "I didn't read the article (I know, I know), but I think it would be really cool to get to run other languages in the frontend. Javascript just plain sucks. Having something like Kotlin or golang (in a reduced form) would be really neat and could professionalize the frontend even more. I think the frontend is always a bit wild west, compared to most backend implementations. That's not only... 00:36:03 ...due to more testing but also stronger language guarantees." 00:36:11 but dude, you CAN do that... 00:36:19 ...just make a NATIVE application! 00:40:13 TypeError: e.getRootNode is not a function 00:40:20 yup i dont know how that works sorry broken 00:42:14 also what the absolute F is that page doing anyways 00:42:29 why does it need to be so convulted just to display a dumb message? 00:57:38 i am not sure why something not being a function is a type error 00:57:44 what logic is that 01:04:00 no idea 01:04:14 if only we could go back to basic html pages would be nice thanks 01:04:28 define basic html? 01:04:41 we just need to get rid of js frameworks 01:04:47 those are the problem 01:05:16 sure some utils maybe a specific lib or two fine but this js framework shit has gone way past way too far 01:05:27 it went way too far in 2014 01:05:56 and we all have responsibility for not being able to stop it 01:18:28 i dont know what the bloated mess that discord and all those fancy web stuff use 01:18:34 those need to stop 01:18:46 ugh, Discord 01:19:08 the only time I tried using it it nearly melted down my SeaMonkey after loading screens full of memes 01:19:27 apparently kids LOVE that garbage, and some even PAY for whatever the hell is "Nitro" 01:19:42 sometimes some pages u cant even leave the page open active on ur pc. u need to open it, read quickly b4 and close the tab b4 ur pc melts down 01:19:50 even worse: many FOSS projects have adopted Discord as their main support/devel channel! 01:20:12 what happened to github? the abomindation? 01:20:22 needs a polyfill to acces? 01:20:30 I've even seen projects that despite having a GiggityHub/Lab for source/releases, they REFUSE to take bug reports over there 01:20:39 instead, "join our Discord server" 01:20:46 why? 01:20:50 weirdos 01:20:52 that happens mainly with videogame-related projects 01:21:08 but increasingly it's spreading to non-videogame-related FOSS 01:22:13 and of course, the nanosecond you dare using a 3rd-party client (that hasn't yet been blocked), your account WILL get blocked 01:22:35 i heard that discord blocks 3rd party clients like u said 01:22:41 so it's their webapp abomination, their Electron webapp abomination, or nothing 01:22:48 horror stories on reddit <-- anohter abomdination 01:23:11 reddit used to be so good until it became a bloated mess 01:23:14 If your account gets blocked even if you revert to the official abomination of client, well... pray 01:23:39 if u manage to contact their support u can try to unblocked 01:23:43 Unless you get famous/trending on Twitter or Hackernews (where some engineer from Discord will take your "case"), you're out 01:24:14 why does an engineer on discord need to take ur case? 01:24:22 In fact, if you get blocked by Google and friends, your only recourse for help these days is getting a frontpage thread at Hackernews 01:24:25 anyone should be able to "unblock " 01:24:33 no, they won't 01:24:47 im saying technically they should. but they wouldnt 01:25:10 technically it's just a couple clicks or a simple UPDATE sentence 01:25:24 how hard is it to get in touch with a live person in support these days 01:25:37 but their MO is "lolno, you won't be getting this account back, EVER!" 01:25:39 Very hard! 01:25:53 even my govt apps are cpu hogs and nobody even wants to acknowledge the problem 01:26:07 buy a new phone! 01:26:30 oh, the Discourse Way of Troubleshooting™: buy a new cellphone, preferably from Apple 01:26:35 yes 01:26:37 u know it 01:26:46 anything else gets in the way of The Vision™ 01:27:00 and don't even DARE changing the default web browser! 01:27:10 hahahaahahahahahahaah 01:27:12 (say: install Firefox on Android) 01:27:38 otherwise you forfeit any kind of support 01:27:55 and Jeff Atwood is free to phoneshame you! 01:27:58 "doctor, it hurts when I hit myself" 01:28:03 i installed duckduckgo browser 01:28:06 oops 01:28:23 it's like when HP tried to void your warranty if you wiped Windows and installed Linux 01:28:35 although that turned out to be extremely illegal and HP lost the case 01:29:04 need to check who Jeff Atwood is 01:29:07 sorry 01:29:09 ...or when Dell tried to convince people that VLC blew up speakers, instead of their laptops having terrible speakers 01:29:27 franstam: Jeff Atwood is the creator of Discourse, also the author of the kinda popular blog "Coding Horror" 01:29:49 in other words: an asshole that loves Apple toys and the latest Chromeisms that haven't even left draft status yet! 01:30:14 He co-founded the computer programming question-and-answer website Stack Overflow and co-founded Stack Exchange' 01:30:33 AKA "Gamification-as-a-Service" 01:30:42 although Stack Exchange is actually useful at times 01:30:57 weird enough, Stack Exchange hasn't committed to the League of Chromeisms 01:31:49 but then Atwood left Stack Exchange years ago to fully dedicate to Dischorse, er, Dicksores, er, Discourse 01:31:58 yes 01:32:01 thanks 01:32:28 the only messageboard solution that actively sabotages users of non-mainstream browsers 01:32:44 where did u get that 01:32:50 just like my phone company technicians sabotage my phone line so I have to pay ransom! 01:34:54 ouch 09:34:00 "could professionalize the frontend even more" 09:34:05 not sure if real comment or buzzword bing 09:35:01 calling wild west to the idea of having only one language while proposing more languages get added...