02:02:05 <tomman> https://blog.mozilla.org/en/privacy-security/hide-your-phone-number-with-firefox-relay/ FFS MOZILLA!!!
03:48:58 <NewTobinParadigm> key who is running the comm-central ircbot
15:24:15 <therube> this was mentioned re: github & polyfill, https://github.com/martok/palefill
15:24:17 <therube> don't know if it is "better" then JustOff's version, but worth a shot if something doesn't work.
15:24:19 <therube> funny, of course, that a github related extension is available on... github, which you might not be able to get - cause it is on... github  ;-)
15:59:51 <tomman> therube: JustOff's addon is dead
15:59:55 <tomman> Palefill is the new hotness
16:00:12 <tomman> there is a direct link on the dev homepage: https://martok.github.io/palefill/
16:00:38 <tomman> also relevant: https://github.com/martok/palefill/issues/47
16:01:28 <therube> using JustOff's, today, i seem to need a page refresh to get things to show.
16:01:29 <therube> haven't tried to diagnose, as i just noticed it.  i'll probably, at some point, throw in martok's....
16:02:26 <tomman> JustOff's has been broken for me for weeks, it seems development upstream has largely ceased
16:03:23 <tomman> fortunately Palefill builds over JustOff's addon, and its approach of a rules list is more flexible (but unfortunately the ruleset is not editable user-side; you have to hack the XPI every time you want to add a new site)
16:05:44 <tomman> of course the true solution would be nuking webdevs and starting over from scratch, but sadly that ship has sailed and Holy Apple have decreed that you gotta rewrite every app ever every 3 years or less
16:06:00 <tomman> using the latest bleeding edge Chromeisms, of course
16:29:59 <franstam> yes agreed
16:30:15 <franstam> "it creates work for webdevs" so they have food to feed their families?
16:30:25 <tomman> "Progress" they say
18:58:22 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: who runs the logbot-cc service?
18:58:49 <frg_Away> NewTobinParadigm hardys i think
18:59:44 <NewTobinParadigm> and have they considered retrofitting mozirc logs from the backups and adding select freenode ones like this one's also i wonder if he'd be willing to connect it to my server cause I really miss having it
19:01:02 <NewTobinParadigm> can you ping him for me and ask and possibly get the source link to the current version so i can run my own if not
19:02:17 <NewTobinParadigm> maybe do the selected restoration my self as well as connect to BinOC-IRC and libera maintain my own historical record
19:02:54 <NewTobinParadigm> might be better.. a lot of people still hate me and having my viewpoint on a service like that might not be wise
19:03:06 <NewTobinParadigm> for y'all
19:03:14 <NewTobinParadigm> anyway hi frg_Away
19:03:17 <NewTobinParadigm> what's up
19:03:29 <NewTobinParadigm> HEY you remember Firefox 1's prefwindow impl?
19:03:38 <NewTobinParadigm> the modified incarnation of the xpfe preferences
19:04:44 <frg_Away> NewTobinParadigm hi too. He reads the logs and pops up now and then. So should be covered. I think he wanted to add the older logs including mozilla irc to it.
19:05:04 <NewTobinParadigm> namely that in place of the tree are the buttonbox and buttons that eventually went osx control panel like
19:06:10 <frg_Away> I never used Firefox or Thunderbird. First Netscape under OS/2 and then straight to SeaMonkey there and then to Windows. I always found the Firefox ui second rate.  Now its fourth rate :)
19:07:08 <NewTobinParadigm> well i should run my own service anyway for the logs of #palemoon (on moznet and freenode) and #binaryoutcast on freenode .. as you MAY have noticed with my tendancy to whiteboard nearly everything and so my own explainations and plans become reference materal
19:08:02 <NewTobinParadigm> well there WAS one control I don't recall being in XPFE used in the prefwindow namely the expander widget
19:09:06 <NewTobinParadigm> most notabe example i cna think of if you aren't familar is the control used in the windows control panel that shows and hides whole sections like network sharing or the exploer windows firewall page
19:09:29 <NewTobinParadigm> http://personal.mattatobin.com/image/capture/812bd41f-94d9-4b7e-b223-0499186ee086.jpg
19:09:33 <NewTobinParadigm> there it is frg_Away
19:10:54 <NewTobinParadigm> I want to expand our prefwindow to support the buttonbox as a option.. and those expanders are the PERFFECT solution for a prefpane situation where you have a tiny selection of stuff per a thing
19:11:00 <frg_Away> looks like an early tree view with a sidbar. I think the later version was/is just vertical and tabs.
19:11:13 <NewTobinParadigm> also means I can restore the minimum prefwindow height back to the netscape value
19:11:34 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: avairy buttonbox is implimented with checkboxes
19:11:38 <NewTobinParadigm> actually
19:12:19 <NewTobinParadigm> at least if I recall
19:12:31 <NewTobinParadigm> THIS one was done with buttons in a vbox
19:12:32 <NewTobinParadigm> http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-1.7/source/browser/components/prefwindow/content/pref.xul#91
19:12:49 <NewTobinParadigm> tho this was before prefwindow was a binding
19:13:48 <NewTobinParadigm> other option is to try and hack the FUCK out of the tree control to LOOK like a buttonbox
19:15:10 <NewTobinParadigm> ah no frg_Away
19:15:38 <NewTobinParadigm> radio group is how the buttonbox is done since that design became a core element in the avairy toolkit
19:19:56 <NewTobinParadigm> I am also going to add the ability for the binding to use an iframe instead of appending to a panel element yeah it may sound backwards cause that is what xpfe did.. but no there are a few situations where it can be useful.. like when you wanna fake a window into a prefpane obstensively as a temporary messure until a proper prefpane can be written
19:22:29 <NewTobinParadigm> that is what I did for about:config
19:22:52 <NewTobinParadigm> but i want to write a proper pref-config.xul
19:27:01 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: that expander binding is still in the toolkit but it isn't used anywhere and i honestly dunno why
19:28:49 <frg_Away> probably someone forgot to remove it
19:29:09 <NewTobinParadigm> i dunno if it is still there past quantum tho
19:29:26 <NewTobinParadigm> but likely was kept until at least then because add-ons
19:32:33 <NewTobinParadigm> nope.. i think you are right someone forgot to remove it..
19:32:45 <NewTobinParadigm> it was NOT rewritten back to js
19:32:48 <NewTobinParadigm> in 102
19:33:01 <NewTobinParadigm> likely cause html has a similar capablity without much work
19:33:13 <NewTobinParadigm> which is fine for html or their hxulml
19:33:23 <NewTobinParadigm> but i want a proper control
19:34:18 <NewTobinParadigm> xhtuml
19:35:00 <NewTobinParadigm> i mean that IS what chrome and priv content IS with its xul namespaced tags in html
19:35:12 <NewTobinParadigm> extensable hypertext user markup language
19:35:26 <NewTobinParadigm> user interface*
19:58:22 <NewTobinParadigm> THIS SON OF A BITCH https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/user_profile?id=user_profile.html&user_id=34346
19:58:38 <NewTobinParadigm> I need to talk to this absolutely amazing xbl wizard
19:59:16 <NewTobinParadigm> wait.. mnyromyr
19:59:26 <NewTobinParadigm> YEAH OF COURSE
19:59:37 <NewTobinParadigm> no wonder
19:59:47 <NewTobinParadigm> that mother fucker is a legend
20:00:59 <frg_Away> He was now and then active for Thunderbird but have not read from him lately. Last activity 2021.
20:01:38 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: eventually I am gonna write a prefpane that exclusively handles user agents.. the gecko and firefox mode checkboxes of course but i also want to allow setting general.useragent.override and manage site-specific UAOs are you interested?
20:02:09 <NewTobinParadigm> the hardest part is the listbox that will be needed everything else is simple as hell
20:05:30 <frg_Away> buc backported the Waterfox stuff https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/seamonkey/blob/rawhide/f/seamonkey-2.53.11-ua-update.patch
20:05:31 <frg_Away> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/seamonkey/blob/rawhide/f/seamonkey-2.53.13-ua-update-preload.patch and I think a few others.
20:05:33 <frg_Away> Wanted to put this in but no time yet.  I alsow want to retain the basic 3 current UAs we how have plus an overridable via json.
20:06:43 <frg_Away> didn't this even come from Palemoon intially?
20:16:28 <NewTobinParadigm> they do have json update but imo the service is total ass and should be rewritten
20:16:53 <NewTobinParadigm> Pale Moon only has a few recent extensions that finally help people manage them
20:17:48 <NewTobinParadigm> remember frg_Away from the MozPerspective the code that does it? was only meant as a hack until advocacy fixed it and then ONLY for fennec
20:18:07 <NewTobinParadigm> because 6000 images might load slightly slower when all on one page
20:18:33 <NewTobinParadigm> so really it was done from the start as a half-assed stopgap hack
20:18:53 <NewTobinParadigm> since WE rely on it for basic functionality it should be promoted and perfected
20:19:10 <NewTobinParadigm> and proper basic management should be provided
20:19:28 <NewTobinParadigm> as well as the ability to turn it on and off in the UI as well
20:21:35 <frg_Away> which code specifically? ua json was never in unless I am mistaken.
20:22:00 <NewTobinParadigm> no it was but needed some additional fix up at our level
20:22:43 <frg_Away> Then you probably only for fennec.
20:22:45 <NewTobinParadigm> my biggest issue was how THAT part was implimented.. i didn't want to enable updates for ssuao until the module was better suited for our infra and code requirements rather than Mozilla's
20:26:58 <NewTobinParadigm> speaking of i need to return the uao pref back to its orginal name and also in the add-ons manager change the compat pref back .. THAT we never told anyone about and literally no one ever checked.. as for the uao pref the global one Moonchild wanted it removed but I stood fast against that and got him to compramise by just never mentioning it besides that the previously set pref was non-functional just like compat checking.. if someone figures
20:26:58 <NewTobinParadigm> it out then well they obviously have the need and likely know and at any rate can take the responsibility for using it.. but the cat was let out of the bag by Moonchild himself basically negating the whole point that HE wanted
20:27:27 <NewTobinParadigm> and renaming it*
20:28:04 <NewTobinParadigm> in any event.. some stuff goes back.. some stuff goes forward.. and some stuff goes tobin.
20:28:05 <NewTobinParadigm> LOL
20:30:49 <frg_Away> probabky a severe case of tobinisimn
20:31:39 <NewTobinParadigm> you know.. if Mozilla introduced overlays to html as a Mozilla Specific Content Feature .. xul would have been enhanced tech wise and THAT part would be long standing and likely would have also improved rdf's chances as well
20:44:22 <NewTobinParadigm> so if I take preferences.xul and in the startup function check for load flags and if no load flags then dyanmically load prefwindowOverlay.xul .. and prefwindowOverlay is what an application would target to add additional stuff to its main prefwindow.. add that and add the iframe as a prefpane.. add the buttonbox mode one day.. and make that the default platform provided preferences framework.. that should pretty much take that thing to its
20:44:22 <NewTobinParadigm> highest form