01:45:38 <IsambardPrince> Can we have "Cookies are delicious delicacies." again?
01:55:09 <tomman> remember when advertising scumbags didn't abused of cookies, therefore not causing the EU to go ballistic and force those stupid cookie prompts that 1) do not address the issue AT ALL, and 2) are absolutely useless for non-EU users?
01:55:12 <tomman> I do remember
01:55:43 <tomman> simpler times when 256/128K DSL was like driving a Bugatti Veyron on the Autobahn
02:09:19 <IsambardPrince> You mean like Gemini browsing on literally any amount of bandwidth today?
02:12:59 <tomman> no, I mean the full-fat Internet, except that back then it was MUCH more healthy than modern sugary, sodium-reloaded, stroke-inducing fat overload that is the Internet of (Broken) Frameworks
02:13:27 <IsambardPrince> I had a HOSTS files full of ad servers.
02:13:29 <tomman> 20 years ago, if a site was bloaty it was because of Flash, Java, or ActiveX
02:13:47 <IsambardPrince> I distributed it through someone I knew.
02:14:11 <IsambardPrince> Yes, I advised people to remove all of those plug-ins.
02:14:16 <IsambardPrince> Or turn them off in their browser.
02:14:32 <tomman> One of my banks have a deceptively simple homebanking portal which look straight out of the 200s
02:14:41 <tomman> ...yet they managed to cram a ~3MB JS blob
02:14:59 <tomman> which leads to ~10 seconds (or more) delays on EVERY logon!
02:15:42 <IsambardPrince> People who buy into "apps" usually get what they have coming to them.
02:15:52 <IsambardPrince> Arrested and $50,000 electric bills from "Griddy".
02:16:44 <IsambardPrince> "How was I supposed to know that 'market rates' for electricity could drive me into bankruptcy court through an app for a month where I didn't have power during a snowstorm anyway?" -People in Texas be like.....
02:18:25 <IsambardPrince> Then there's the Celsius bankruptcy for would-be Buttcoin millionaires who now plead with a bankruptcy judge that, as an unsecured creditor, their family will lose the house soon if they don't get part of the $59,000 of their $60,000 total savings back.
02:20:11 <tomman> https://i.imgur.com/PG6razl.png oh man, ~7MB just to tell me my balances!?
02:20:35 <tomman> why in the hell do you need a 2MB lib for datagrids!?
02:20:50 <IsambardPrince> Because Framework Shit.
02:20:59 <tomman> and yet the ATM on my nearest branch has been broken for over 3 years and counting!
02:21:49 <tomman> last time I bothered checking, that page was HALF the size on scripts
02:21:54 <tomman> it now doubled its fat contents
02:24:53 <IsambardPrince> Did you at least trim the ones it doesn't need to actually load using NoScript?
02:25:02 <tomman> all of those are first-party scripts
02:25:13 <tomman> I already block 3rd-party ad crapola on my DNS server
02:25:32 <tomman> I do not use NoScript
02:25:46 <tomman> if a site abuses with their scripts, that's a site I'm not coming back ever again
02:26:08 <tomman> ...banks being the only exception, but I'm always in the mood to cancel an account
02:26:47 <tomman> On the flip side, they can't get THAT fancy and go full Chromeisms, because they still need for those sites to work at the machines at their branches... which still use Windows XP or 7
02:28:05 <tomman> another of my banks still use good ol' IE6 for their internal systems (well, for the ones that do not require some terminal emulator to log into their IBM mainframes)
02:28:46 <tomman> they DID managed to find the only model of fingerprint scanners currently in production with XP drivers!
02:34:11 <IsambardPrince> My bank was using Solaris 8 until at least 2014.
02:34:13 <IsambardPrince> :)
02:34:42 <IsambardPrince> Old computers never die. They just sit there forever, unsupported, waiting for an attacker.
02:35:45 <tomman> old computers DO die, but only power surges can kill them :/
02:35:58 <tomman> nothing else can
02:36:17 <tomman> ...well, maybe dying HDDs, but if you have backups you can clone HDDs forever
02:37:03 <tomman> but a zap of a few hundred volts right to the heart kills 'em good, as I've learned so many times in the last years, here in the land of crap electricity
04:11:09 <IsambardPrince> I've briefly considered moving over to Fedora Silverblue.
04:11:21 <IsambardPrince> But the benefits are minor and the hassle is pretty high, I think.
04:12:03 <IsambardPrince> There's a Fedora Wiki page about DNF upgrades to the next version and how to clean up leftover crap, but you _should_ end up with something close enough to a fresh install that it should never matter.\
04:12:29 <IsambardPrince> I don't understand what it is with people thinking they have to change everything just to do it.