I guess it's easy to spot discourse sites, at least with javascript disabled...

if it's unscrollable and has serif fonts, so far it looks like it's discourse?

njsg: Ah, Jeff Atwood's "polite" way to say "Your iPhone is so last-year, it's time to put it to pasture and buy a new one that fits with my vision for the next 10 years!"

reminds when The Daily WTF had adopted Discourse and they kept finding bugs and breaking the damn thing every day, until Jeff permabanned them

hi all: converted adblock uBlock origine for seamonkey works youtube tested with SM 2.53.14 (link is 6 days available)

see the README

therepair: have y ou also tested with the latest nightly builds located here ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/comm-253-latest ?

humm no but SM 2.53.14 is the last public available (i think)

i also tested it with last for XP seamonkey-2.49.5. on a very old HP DV8000 film Youtube film + uBO works at 240p

Seamonkey is alway better for YT video rendering compared with FFX particilarly on older laptops

so... noboddy interested ... bye!

the link is gone :/

Forking containers: theregister.com/2022/10/05/suse_alp_v001

I hate them. Seems need to look for a new OS for my backup server.

Would it be possible to send GMail a fake useragent with OAuth2 from SeaMonkey Mail by default so I can back out the hack around "insecure app".

It seems with GMail about to demand OAuth2 we may as well prepare for this.

the solution is to move outside GMail ASAP

but that involves paying money, and well... that brings a whole different threat model

Is there a good reason why "fake them out" isn't a good answer?

it seems to me that sites that are compatible and choose to break by sniffing UA should get a fake UA.

IsambardPrince: do UA overrides work for OAuth2? If so, might be worth a try, as far as you don't (later) forget you have that set up :-)

Yeah, I set them for gmail.com and google.com to use Firefox 105's UA.

Then it lets me log in.

if you have 2FA, then using the regular password login system is another possibility, with an "app password"

I do use an app password with Mail&News on my XP mail setup, but yeah, it requires 2FA, which involves at the very least having a cellphone

some people may be fine with that, some may hate it with a passion

and yet Google still complains that "app passwords are UNSAAAAAAAAAFE DANGER MINES!!"

tomman: what makes me laugh is if you enable 2FA on Office 365, Outlook cannot cope and has to use an app password...

wtf

sounds like Microsoft forgot what "dogfooding" means

No, they just don't care.

Making a huge mess is just kind of what they do.

No, I mean, that seems to be a huge problem on the software industry nowadays

your first user should be yourself AKA "use your own goddamned software first!"

I mean, you write office apps, so make your secretaries use it

or you make chat apps, have your friends use your chat app to talk with you

but nope, can't do, it is like those at Boeing that would never fly on a Dreamliner despite working on the assembly line :D

It's microsoft, there's probably a bug somewhere and it doesn't work.

maybe it is VBA code that relies on certain expectations regarding the values "True" and "False" and was moved from 32-bit to 64-bit

oh, so it's like Boeing then: "I would never put my family in that plane" :D

tomman: the issue is that MFA is not enabled for all users on the O365 tennancy so probably why Modern Authenication hasn't been enabled

that makes even less sense

tomman: and you need Modern Authenication enabled to use MFA with Outlook client

1005|22:14:40 <+tomman> or you make chat apps, have your friends use your chat app to talk with you <-- hm, I'd like to see that in MS. There was a group at microsoft research which came up with an interesting IRC program, maybe microsoft should use it!

tomman: it is an inherited configuration, so I reserve the right to be wrong / confused

and now we know why Windows Phone is dead: not even Microsofties wanted it

I wish they had handled that without ruining nokia

tomman: another problem nowadays is that even if you use what you develop, that might not be enough, because that might be people running on certain hardware configurations that evade certain realities

njsg: Ah yeah, the "I have a top-of-the-line Mac Pro with 32GB RAM and you should do so either" use case

aka Discourse's development model

anything low-end, or older than 4-5 years automatically fails to meet the system requirements for Discourse boards

there was an ol' TDWTF thread back in the dark Discourse days discussing exactly that... and it wasn't pretty

and display contrast, brightness

remember when the advice for the web was to pick a few "safe colors"?

now it's "assume all displays render light gray on light gray like mine does" :-P

let's be fair, back in the 4-bit color era, there was ONE gray :D

Microsoft: Instead of cleaning up this crap we could just make a bigger pile of crap. You know. Do what we always do. Quadruple the system requirements. Hide it behind a check for "TPM 2" call an OS with decades of attack surface "secure".

and yet Apple Does It Better™ (the pile of crap, of course... but theirs is more profitable)

Apple goes the extreme opposite way. Nothing Stable. Contact Developer.

are you now aware that you must update your iDevice apps on the App Store every 3 years at least?

Even if your app is feature-complete, bug-free, or as minimal as possible

of course "updating" is not just matter of recompiling

Too easy.

oh no no no no, that's not how Apple rolls: you must rewrite half of your app because the APIs have changed because it's Apple!

And people dare complaining about GTK!

People like to complain about GNOME, like....It's not THAT bad.

compare with Windows, where you can still run the FreeCell executable from Win32s (1993!) on Windows 11

Everything they complain about can usually be fixed by Tweaks, Settings, or Extensions.

OR even Android itself: I can still run most Android 2 apps on my Android 11 phone

my Redmi Note 11 complains because "the dev may need to update its app", but thankfully that's a one-time warning

only apps relying on deprecated/removed APIs crash and burn, but old games? That's fair game (pun not intended)

Yes, there's still app developers who bump something in the F-Droid Store and I'm running it on Android 12 and it says "Fix crash on Android 4." and I'm like "WTF.".

and that brings me to another point: software preservation

Apple simply doesn't believe on that anymore, while the business/enterprise focus of old Microsoft means your Win32 apps will live forever (although Win16 now have its days counted)

on Linux the mindset of "you have the code, recompile" is a double-edged sword

IsambardPrince: settings, in GNOME?

Yeah.

are we discussing GNOME 1?

I did used GNOME 1 back in its time

never liked it

while KDE 1 felt a bit like a poor clone of Windows 98, although it had that native feel that I liked

and yet Netscape felt alien on both :D

(if you had enough RAM to run it on your distro, that is!)

KDE 3 did have settings and was so customizable it seemed to be able to mimick at least part of some look'n'feels

KDE3 was Peak KDE

I miss KDE 3.5 :/

might still be to much if you want something simpler like just terminal emulators and a wm

oh, just installed Trinity Desktop on my T40, gotta try it

it's apparently a revival of KDE3.5, just like MATE keeps GNOME 2 alive

I have that feeling about KDE 3, but that might as well be subjective, I don't think I can say it's better than the other versions objectively, but it at least seemed to be quite tweakable

tomman tde desktop is the SeaMonkey of desktops. Not enough devs and few people rooting for it. Even the latest kde release is funky. Wish too 3.5 would be back.

To be fair, I never liked GNOME 2 when compared to KDE, but KDE 4 went the insanity way, same as GNOME 3, so when MATE became a (usable) thing, I felt strangely relieved, and so far have no desire to leave it

gonna steal that quote

IsambardPrince: I have the impression GNOME recently has been trying to avoid being customizable or having settings, but maybe they've changed course on that

perhaps not so much "recently", I mean, there's that mailing list post about the print dialog interface...

gnome is the pits. You can try to do worse and will likely do better whatever you do :)

I know some changes in GNOME affected me personally, I had GTK dialogs sniffing all files for a file picker dialog on a slower machine, that definitely wasn't a nice experience

Well, GNOME, that is, I think by then it was already under GNOME's umbrella, despite the G in GTK?

oh boy, TDE looks exactly how I left my ol' Fedora Core 6 KDE 3.5 :D

although it feels kinda slow, dunno why

GTK is basically GNOME's now.

It was created to have an alternative under a Free Software license when Qt was proprietary, and the first major application using it was The Gimp.

One thing I've always hated from KDE: my XTerms are BLACK text on WHITE background!

wasn't it created *for* (or as part of) the gimp?

tomman: I think that is the default for XTerm, not sure if that's system-wide XTerm resources, or if it's a system-wide default for X11 foreground and background

on every other desktop it's white on black

but KDE feels that it's fine to set black on white

and Trinity inherited that

nowadays I'd think the frequent default would be white on dark :-P

(i.e. not 0,0,0)