00:32:05 <IsambardPrince> a-865	what  does having polyfill installed and working accomplish?
00:32:29 <IsambardPrince> It unbreaks *some* Web sites that work in Firefox and Chrome but not in SeaMonkey by patching them up.
00:40:24 <IsambardPrince> Oh, heads up on GMail.
00:40:42 <IsambardPrince> OAuth2 and GMail IMAP now says SeaMonkey isn't a secure application.
00:40:48 <IsambardPrince> Google also blocks logins on their Web site.
00:41:23 <IsambardPrince> I hacked around this by giving google.com and gmail.com UA overrides to later Firefox ua strings and it let me log in, in both cases, and now I can get my IMAP mail again.
01:04:49 <tomman> IsambardPrince: it happens sometimes at random
01:05:02 <tomman> that bite me recently, by trying to login on GMail from an incognito tab
01:05:12 <tomman> the first time indeed my blood was boiling of rage
01:05:16 <tomman> the second try went OK
01:05:50 <tomman> but it's a lottery (I'm using a FF68 UA for Google, BTW)
01:28:12 <buc> a-865: Could you pls try also 2.53.14-3 https://buc.fedorapeople.org/seamonkey/download/seamonkey-2.53.14-3.tar.xz ? It preserves queueMicrotask support with needed fixes, so should not crash anymore.
01:33:33 <frg_Away> buc added the micorotask patches and Bug 1480236. No crash but NoScript now gives now and then:
01:33:35 <frg_Away> Timestamp: 03.10.2022, 03:25:20
01:33:36 <frg_Away> Error: InvalidStateError: An attempt was made to use an object that is not, or is no longer, usable
01:33:38 <frg_Away> Source File: chrome://noscript/content/Main.js?1gedmk1id15eo2fpff7g Line: 1790
01:36:03 <buc> What patches exactly? Both 1443429 and 1443746?
01:36:39 <frg_Away> So far only Bug 1443746
01:37:13 <frg_Away> Bug 1443429 looks doable but too tired today.  Needs Bug 1515021
01:37:47 <frg_Away> switching to the build.
01:38:14 <buc> I have both applied, the same report for Noscript too.
01:39:29 <frg_Away> didn't crash :)
01:39:54 <frg_Away> Are they on the fedora website? Can pick them up tomorrow then.
01:49:16 <buc> frg: yes, https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/seamonkey/blob/rawhide/f/seamonkey-2.53.14-mozilla-1443429.patch (sorry, unsplitted). Easy manual backport, just note another number of args when "move" NS_NewChannel() to new place.
01:54:57 <a-865> buc: -3 opened without crashing, with NoScript enabled
01:55:59 <a-865> buc did you discard my profile already?
01:56:21 <buc> a-865: Yet not...
01:57:00 <a-865> buc: does it have polyfill in it? should I replace -2 with it?
01:58:22 <buc> a-865: No polyfill extension at all.
04:26:40 <IsambardPrince> Palefills might be something to merge by default. It's clear the Web is getting away from us faster than SeaMonkey can adapt to it.
04:28:28 <IsambardPrince> Opera Presto did something like this.
04:28:51 <IsambardPrince> If you deleted the site patches you got a good look at what a standards-compliant browser engine really rendered sites like.
07:36:25 <IsambardPrince> Continuing the cleanup work of getting rid of dead IM clients......
07:36:47 <IsambardPrince> Seems like there's still "Chat" info you can save about people in the address book.
07:37:15 <IsambardPrince> Including Yahoo, MSN, and ICQ.
07:37:20 <IsambardPrince> All of those are dead.
13:19:21 <frg_Away> buc all in now plus a few fixes in the same area: https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/-/commit/533d24a0570acdcfaec899d03bbd2b2ce7886589
13:19:22 <frg_Away> Thanks
13:29:00 <WG9s> buc in my latest  builds and also in the latest source tarball
13:59:33 <a-865> IanN: lotsa bugs Oldest: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360266 list: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=iso%208601&list_id=16229127
14:00:26 <a-865> IanN[m]: lotsa bugs Oldest: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360266 list: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=iso%208601&list_id=16229127
14:08:20 <a-865> IanN[m]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1509096 comment #0 has great quotes
14:17:12 <tomman> someday, someone will file a bug report for requesting Unix epoch date/time format for their email
15:25:39 <Flexman> hi!
15:25:46 <Flexman> 2 questions:
15:26:29 <Flexman> does current Seamonkey work with MacOS 10.15?
15:27:27 <Flexman> and https://moodle.uni-graz.at/ does not work with seamonkey. any idea what kind of super technic they are using in their webpage?
15:31:26 <frg_Away> Flexman yes it works with 10.15
15:32:02 <frg_Away> Google web components:
15:32:03 <frg_Away> Timestamp: 03.10.2022, 17:29:40
15:32:05 <frg_Away> Error: ReferenceError: customElements is not defined
15:32:06 <Flexman> frg_Away: thanks great. Can I rik macOS 12 too i should i better use 10.15?
15:32:06 <frg_Away> Source File: https://static.uni-graz.at/dist/unigraz/Components.js
15:32:08 <frg_Away> Line: 148
15:32:16 <Flexman> rik=risk
15:33:03 <Flexman> frg_Away: that simpley is because of an error? Some Browser seem to ignore it
15:33:46 <frg_Away> Flexman I own an M1 and it works there. I am having trouble with the full screen button which is completely broken but works on my Intel mac with 10.15. Suspect M1 problem with rosetta we need to fix but not sure.
15:34:28 <frg_Away> uni is the usual google web components garbage:
15:34:30 <frg_Away> Timestamp: 03.10.2022, 17:29:40
15:34:31 <frg_Away> Error: ReferenceError: customElements is not defined
15:34:33 <frg_Away> Source File: https://static.uni-graz.at/dist/unigraz/Components.js
15:34:34 <frg_Away> Line: 148
15:34:47 <Flexman> hmm. but why is it not displayd properly?
15:35:01 <frg_Away> Upps double paste
15:35:05 <Flexman> website works in Firefox and Vivaldi
15:36:18 <frg_Away> You can try dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true. If the sute uses shadow dom it will fail otherwise fully or partial work.
15:36:50 <frg_Away> work in progress not recommended leaving it on. I see the login page at least.
15:36:58 <frg_Away> ^site uses
15:41:22 <Flexman> ehm... i forgot how to get to that console...
15:42:24 <frg_Away> about:config
15:45:19 <Flexman> aah without //
15:46:18 <Flexman> hmm still doesnt work
15:52:43 <Flexman> ok Montereay seems to use funny German anyway, so better using Catalina
15:58:52 <frg_Away> Flexman login failure? https://ibb.co/52L8WxF
16:25:02 <Flexman> frg_Away: that's what it looks here: https://i.imgur.com/sB0Lg7y.png
16:35:02 <frg_Away> Flexman that is what it looks with the two options I metioned above set to false
16:35:17 <frg_Away> ^mentioned
16:35:54 <Flexman> frg_Away: ah, maybe i'd update, i have 2.53.14 on the computer where i should fix it, but i have 2.53.11 on the one i tested now
16:36:09 <frg_Away> too old.
16:36:37 <Flexman> ah yes now it works
16:38:11 <frg_Away> wip and not everthing implemeted. shadow dom needs stylo and is still broken. So ymmv
20:34:19 <tomman> once again, my sessionstore.json went to hell...
20:36:32 <tomman> however the JSON remains valid!
20:36:44 <tomman> json_pp can prettyprint it
20:36:56 <tomman> and https://codebeautify.org/jsonviewer can load it on a treeview without issue
20:58:15 <frg_Away> tomman I have seen this on mac once or twice and also recently around 2.53.13 right after update. But one time and then no more. If you open the web console you might spot errors during startup. The old error consloe isn't that good bere.
20:59:23 <tomman> frg_Away: so far most of the times it happens here is during those emergency shutdowns because there is a blackout and I'm in a hurry to shutdown things before the batteries run out, but I've had it happen even on completely normal exits
20:59:31 <tomman> it happens in average once or twice a month
21:09:53 <IsambardPrince> It's probably more bugs in the Apple File System.
21:10:25 <IsambardPrince> The "test" is that they roll it out to millions of guinea pigs who paid for "premium" components.
21:10:45 <IsambardPrince> Their file system was causing Mac OS to get stuffed by a bug in Google Chrome.
21:11:30 <IsambardPrince> Apple products are like a politician. Anything they say they'll commit to today will be a broken promise by this time tomorrow.
21:14:32 <tomman> ...except that I do not use Apple but vanilla Linux?
21:42:28 <frg_Away> tomman If you use NoScript there is an 8s delay becuase it includes an embedded webext part which tries to backup settings. Fails becuase not initialized in SM. I ripped it out and am a happy camper since then. Not sure if this might cause it during a power out. I rarely use the Linux and mac versions but Windows is fine for me here and at lest same frontend code. But our sessionstore code...
21:42:30 <frg_Away> ...is not the best one...
21:43:11 <tomman> dunno exactly what goes corrupted on sessionstore.json...
21:43:28 <tomman> the JSON looks clean, but something else might be upsetting SeaMonkey
21:49:16 <WG9s> i often get stupid assed session store errors using latest firefox so might not be unique to here
21:57:36 <tomman> I don't even get an error
21:57:48 <tomman> all I get is a blank page (not even the homepage loads!)
21:58:10 <tomman> when everything goes normal, on the next startup the homepage will load and I'm able to restore my last session
21:58:35 <tomman> after a crash the session either restores automatically or I get a "We're sorry!" tab with the option to restore my session
21:58:42 <CaptainTobin>  someone is subscribing me to mailing lists
21:58:46 <tomman> but in these cases, I get nothing, nada, zero, just a completely blank tab
21:58:54 <CaptainTobin> funny thing is only a few of them did I have to opt out of.. the rest especially the really numerious multi-sub ones.. all require opt in
21:58:55 <tomman> and with my past session gone
21:59:06 <CaptainTobin> so whomever it is is wasting their time, creating a data trail, and it merely costs me a few seconds of noticing more shit in Interlink pop in and wondering if there will be a time when I actually piss someone off who isn't almost completely ineffectual at this shit
21:59:16 <tomman> CaptainTobin: better than what Google does with me
21:59:29 <CaptainTobin> yeah
21:59:35 <tomman> apparently to them I have many creditcards with Capital One, drive a Tacoma AND some Cadillac AND some Volkswage
21:59:39 <tomman> and desperate for dating
21:59:53 <CaptainTobin> my favorite sub was something called the Federation of Gay Games
22:00:18 <CaptainTobin> that should give you an indication of general mentaliy of the person manually doing this
22:00:20 <tomman> Oh, and those "CONGRATULATION$$$$$" messages that are obviously spam yet it fails to block despite flagging them as spa
22:00:22 <tomman> --spam
22:00:37 <tomman> Weird enough some of those bank/car/dating sites have my proper email address!
22:00:42 <tomman> but with the name of somebody else
22:00:52 <CaptainTobin> but tomman the Federation of Gay Games.. the games them selves are literally homosexual entities
22:01:22 <tomman> No, I'm not THAT desperate, and Capital One doesn't even have a Venezuelan branch, and the only car I've driven in my life is that old '99 Corolla from my uncle!
22:02:08 <CaptainTobin> oh now they are putting my email into government run mailing list sites.. as in .gov sites
22:02:20 <CaptainTobin> either they are not in the US or they are REALLY REALLY stupid
22:02:27 <tomman> I've had that spam, but on my cellphone :/
22:02:35 <tomman> political spam is the worst spam
22:02:54 <CaptainTobin> this is a targeted attack .. it is reletively low volume and timed as if they are doing it manually
22:03:17 <tomman> Or some site where you used your email got breached
22:03:33 <tomman> I don't even dare checking mine on "haveivebeenpwned" or something
22:04:21 <CaptainTobin> no cause they are using email⊙mc and support⊙bc but NOT tobin⊙bc .. tho there one ONE for the basically invalid alias of mattatobin⊙mc
22:05:11 <CaptainTobin> no bot has EVER sent something to mattatobin⊙mc cause it was an auto-alias i have never used so i think it was a mistake by whomever is doing this cause ever since I got a domain name .. 99% of people constantly fuck up my email address
22:05:15 <tomman> email is getting closer to a lost cause these days, but the options are MUCH worse :/
22:05:27 <tomman> (aka proprietary chat apps)
22:05:47 <CaptainTobin> it is a person actively doing ineffectual shit .. a bot would have not made so many mistakes.. like signing me up on so many subs that require confirmation
22:07:07 <CaptainTobin> glad I have such a good email client.. I can just select all and .. delete!
22:07:21 <CaptainTobin> this would suck in webmail
22:07:38 <CaptainTobin> cause webmail providers are trying to redefine what you can do with a GROUP of email
22:07:45 <CaptainTobin> and restrict it
22:08:18 <tomman> Except that when your email provider spam filters suck so hard that you end having to do nearly daily cleanup of tons of spam *cough*GOOGLE*cough*
22:09:17 <tomman> at some point I thought to just blacklist emails with emojis on either sender or subject
22:09:25 <tomman> THEN my banks started using emojis!
22:21:36 <WG9s_> sometimes can actully do more if you select I have a low speed connection so get me the basic UI