02:39:59 <tomman> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33019836 only Hackernews would praise Electron as the One True Crossplatform UI Toolkit™
02:40:07 <tomman> "just download more RAM, dude"
03:10:51 <CaptainTobin> tomman: 2002 called.. they said fuck you.. they are all gonna quit in 8-12 years
03:11:00 <CaptainTobin> so i guess we got our answer at long last
03:11:05 <CaptainTobin> the cause of all of this?
03:11:14 <CaptainTobin> Hackernews
03:11:28 <CaptainTobin> via temporal manipulation
03:12:01 <CaptainTobin> well it is as good of an explaination as any
03:12:07 <CaptainTobin> heh
03:12:14 <tomman> Oh, found the Chromeism of the day™ that finally ruined it: The Verge unveiled its latest redesign... and the comments require Shadow DOM because GOOOOOOGLEEEEE!!!
03:12:26 <tomman> the comments frame will open... empty
03:12:57 <CaptainTobin> wonder how far it will render if i flip the pref for the unfinished shit
03:13:02 <CaptainTobin> on my codebase
03:13:40 <tomman> It's funny: MS tried with webapps over 20 years ago (remember HTA?)
03:13:44 <tomman> it flopped. HARD.
03:14:20 <tomman> but then in 2002 PCs sucked, we didn't had cellphones, and HTAs were IE-for-Windows-only
03:14:57 <tomman> ironically, Electron dumbs down every platform equally, but it's fiiiiine because be glad that you now have a Linux Desktop version!
03:15:15 <CaptainTobin> i actually liked the IE4 features and shell update .. I just didn't like the engine or explorer ui
06:00:06 <CaptainTobin> frg: you know.. we could always work on switching both our codebases over to https://github.com/rsenn/quickjs
06:01:38 <CaptainTobin> or at least just steal the regex engine
17:11:01 <JamminUnit> Guys, I still cannot build seamonkey-2.53.14 (same problem like with 2.53.14b1): https://pastebin.mozilla.org/1bEmyMAw/raw
17:11:10 <JamminUnit> Any hints how I can make that work?
17:56:07 <frg_Away> JamminUnit Is this run directly or via mach configure? /usr/bin/gmake -f client.mk -s configure
18:39:59 <JamminUnit> frg_Away: ./mach configure
19:52:54 <frg_Away> JamminUnit The error rings a bell. Is python 2 and 3 installed?
19:57:14 <frg_Away> if it was you with 2.53.14b1 I asked the gentoo maintainer and he was unable to build so it should work:
19:57:16 <frg_Away> > ImportError: No module named mozfile
19:57:17 <frg_Away> This it is not PY3 related, at least not directly. Somewhere it tries
19:57:19 <frg_Away> to import mozfile, but can't find it.
19:57:20 <frg_Away> Normally Python would tell you which file is causing the problem, but
19:57:22 <frg_Away> mozilla decided to implement their own module loading functions, which
19:57:23 <frg_Away> doesn't always tell you where the problem is located.
20:06:19 <frg_Away> btw: no longer supported: enable-system-sqlite
20:06:20 <frg_Away> will break build if nss > 3.53: with-system-nss
20:06:22 <frg_Away> same with with-system-nspr > esr 78
20:06:38 <frg_Away> all the with-system might break the build depending on the versions installed.
21:10:29 <tomman> wait, when 2.53.14 happened?
21:10:40 <tomman> (just got the update prompt here)
21:53:09 <JamminUnit> frg_Away: I have python-2.7.18_p15 and python-3.10.7 installed.
21:55:00 <JamminUnit> Oh and please do not the same crap like palemoon did and abandon all the --with-system-* options. This is crucial for Linux distro package maintainers.
21:55:12 <frg_Away> JamminUnit it is possible something else. You can ask Myckel who maintains the gentoo build and also provided some python patches. He was able to build.
21:56:05 <JamminUnit> frg_Away: didn't you say the Gentoo maintainer also was unable to build 2.53.14b1?
21:56:38 <frg_Away> JamminUnit this results in frequent breakage. system-sqlite has been removed. nss and nspr might break. I just updated 2.53.15 to latest esr and needed to pull in some stuff.
21:56:54 <frg_Away> JamminUnit no he was able to build both.
21:57:10 <JamminUnit> Yeah, system-sqlite was a remnant from older ebuilds which I forgot to remove.
21:57:36 <JamminUnit> But that's definitely not the cause for the failed python odule loading.
21:57:40 <JamminUnit> *module
21:59:34 <frg_Away> No but I can't tell you what . My CentOS 7 builds work and also the fedora ones Bill and IanN do. I can only recommend removing all the system stuff and if this works put them in one at a time.
22:00:14 <JamminUnit> Fair enough...
22:03:19 <frg_Away> It might be something else.
22:03:44 <JamminUnit> It is. Even without any -system-* options it breaks the same way.
22:04:35 <frg_Away> I am sorry but Linux is so fragmented and very hard to track down specific errors. very hard to tack this. Do you l10n files in the l10n-base directory?
22:06:09 <JamminUnit> Not sure what the l10n-base directory is. I am using a slightly modified gentoo ebuild and that one unpacks the l10n files into seamonkey-2.53.14/seamonkey-2.53.14-l10n  (where seamonkey-2.53.14 contains the unpacked main sources)
22:07:45 <frg_Away> if you only need an en-US build just remove this statement for now.
22:08:21 <JamminUnit> Well, I can try that to narrow down the issue but english is not my native language I usually want to use.
22:12:07 <frg_Away> I donÄT think 10n inside the main tree causes a problem but see if you can gut the mozconfig for aminimum build first.
22:17:05 <therepair> hi all, is there other way to disable auto-update (app.update.auto:false doesn't works)
22:37:16 <frg_Away> Uncheck Preferences->Advanced->Seamonkey->Automatically download and install the update
22:43:45 <therepair> frg_away: i have no Preferences->Advanced->Seamonkey ... ?? SM V2.53.12
22:44:19 <frg_Away> therepair under Edit
22:48:10 <therepair> frg-Away no edit: only in advanced -system -print -crash -developer
22:52:13 <frg_Away> therepair Sorry Advanced->Software Installation I mean. getting late need sleep :)
22:54:02 <therepair> frg_away: no  Advanced->Software Installation (go to sleep!)
22:55:41 <frg_Away> therepair It is in the Preferences panel which is under Edit->Preferences.
22:55:42 <frg_Away> Then Advanced->Software Installation under the Seamonkey box there.
22:56:53 <frg_Away> https://ibb.co/9VZDJMW
22:58:52 <therepair> i am sorry it is in the sub menu of advanced not in the panel itself , i thank you for your help sorry again
23:08:13 <therepair> frg_Away: bye thk help
23:16:28 <therepair> frg-Away: It seems that not works i still have popup for update every time i launch SM . I think it is like FFX a forced to update.
23:17:36 <therepair> any way  bye  & good night
23:36:13 <tomman> The nasty broken site of the day: https://sekaiproject.com/giveaway/
23:36:28 <tomman> if you saw me disappear for a few minutes right now, that was why
23:36:34 <tomman> found a reproducible hang
23:36:59 <tomman> go there, solve the captcha (hCaptcha), and click the "login with Steam" button on any of the giveaway forms
23:37:05 <tomman> SeaMonkey will hang using 100% CPU
23:37:28 <tomman> In fact, the whole site is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW (although the console doesn't reveal any Chromeism of interest)
23:37:53 <tomman> curiously enough it only seems to happen with the Steam button - the "login with Google" doesn't hang the browser
23:38:08 <tomman> no "unresponsive script" warning will ever come when the site hangs the browser
23:38:43 <tomman> I guess no visual novel ever is worth a toxic pile of slow JS
23:39:14 <tomman> ...wait, these are the folks that pioneered porting VNs from obscure Japanese VN engines to frickin' Unity, of all things!
23:47:00 <frg_Away> tomman I am getting a popup window sign in gleam.io...
23:47:16 <tomman> in my case the popup comes, blank, and everything hangs
23:47:43 <frg_Away> Hmm didnÄt enable gleanjs.io yet let me see
23:48:09 <tomman> but only with Steam - the Google button doesn't hang, didn't tried with all others as I don't use any of those services
23:48:48 <frg_Away> let me check in another profile.
23:49:22 <tomman> I'll check too with a clean profile on my other seutp
23:49:54 <frg_Away> tomman nope works here with latest 2.53.15b1 pre