01:05:48 <IsambardPrince> ghts
01:05:57 <IsambardPrince> Oops
01:06:04 <IsambardPrince> Part of a command for another room.
02:07:13 <IsambardPrince> Apparently, there is still no Rust in Webkit. Hopefully it stays that way.
02:07:45 <IsambardPrince> I thought that Python was a disease because major versions broke compatibility and required major code rewrites/refactoring, but Rust does that within a "stable" series, all the time.
02:08:23 <IsambardPrince> Rust seems to be Cascade of Attention Deficit Teenagers the Programming Language.
02:08:53 <IsambardPrince> Here I was giving all the credit to Python for making people do this once every decade or so. I'm actually impressed. Rust is so much worse and there's a cult forming around it.
05:52:46 <njsg> IsambardPrince: which one was opera presto? I have an opera UA for facebook sites but it doesn't really work as well as it used to. Or did they just move most content behind login?
06:17:00 <IsambardPrince> njsg> IsambardPrince: which one was opera presto? I have an opera UA for facebook sites but it doesn't really work as well as it used to. Or did they just move most content behind login?
06:17:22 <IsambardPrince> Opera Presto ended with Opera 12.16 for Mac and GNU/Linux. 12.17 for Windows.
06:17:57 <IsambardPrince> They came back and bumped it one last time a few years after the Chromium Opera disaster, so that it would stay current enough to connect to HTTPS Web sites for people still using Windows XP.
06:18:11 <IsambardPrince> But they never did that for GNU/Linux or Mac.
06:18:19 <IsambardPrince> Opera is basically dead.
06:19:24 <IsambardPrince> They survived years and years of Internet Explorer mangling Web standards, but it was Chrome that finally took them down.
06:19:38 <IsambardPrince> They also complained loudly and sued Microsoft.
06:19:45 <IsambardPrince> But nope, gotta adopt Chromium.
06:25:51 <njsg> nor did they do it for Android, did they? there's at least one android opera that does not have newer ssl compatibility
08:07:28 <IsambardPrince> I used Opera Mini on my J2ME phone for years.
08:07:45 <IsambardPrince> It came with some crap Webkit browser that said "Out of Memory" whenever you loaded a page.
08:09:25 <IsambardPrince> I moved my Opera stuff over to Wine after they released the Windows-only 12.17.
08:09:30 <IsambardPrince> Kept on using it for a while.
18:22:08 <IsambardPrince> Going back to Fakebook, I actually prefer the old no-JS version anyway.
18:22:47 <IsambardPrince> I don't have to whitelist anything in NoScript and while it's a little clunky because it was obviously meant for ancient cell phones, everything does work, in the end.
18:38:50 <tomman> I prefer zero Fakebook
19:02:53 <IsambardPrince> Well, you and I may get our wish.
19:03:21 <IsambardPrince> Zuckerberg spent so much money on things with no business opportunity attached and there's not much ad money where that came from.
19:03:35 <IsambardPrince> They could very well go the way of Myspace or something within a couple years.
19:04:10 <IsambardPrince> Myspace was part of the "Web 2.0 mania".
19:04:35 <IsambardPrince> Facebook is trying to be part of Web 3.0 Tulip Mania, but they picked a hell of a time to try it.
19:04:49 <IsambardPrince> Venture Capital and ad revenues are down 80-90% already.
19:04:54 <IsambardPrince> And it will get worse than this.
19:07:12 <IsambardPrince> I definitely do not trust "Vivaldi". They were engaging in "openwashing", but they're not open source. All of their important differences vs. Chromium are proprietary, and would not survive. They already sold Opera to the Chinese and left. They want to say they're "the next Opera", but they're not.
19:07:54 <IsambardPrince> I was pleased with Opera in the 90s and 2000s, they had a very efficient program and they sued Microsoft instead of just trying to live in Internet Explorer's shadow. Vivaldi defaults to Bing and uses Google's browser.
19:09:03 <IsambardPrince> The Web is basically finished. The dream of governments and corporations is to turn it into a pipe running to a Virtual Machine for blobs and DRM.
19:09:41 <IsambardPrince> I'm assuming this is why SeaMonkey can't actually run Fakebook without the "legacy Mobile" version.
19:35:50 <tomman> Or... you can do what I do: block Facebook at my router
19:36:03 <tomman> as a nice side effect, it also nukes Instagranola
19:36:37 <tomman> wanna use my WiFi for free? Fine, but no Facebook shall ever be transmitted across my airwaves
19:38:18 <therube> kind of a funny read, https://torrentfreak.com/youtubers-lose-brains-over-night-of-the-living-dead-copyright-claims-220922/
20:50:41 <IsambardPrince> Some versions of that are copyrighted.
20:51:00 <IsambardPrince> The original black and white one isn't because of a mistake registering the film with the copyright office.
20:51:28 <IsambardPrince> Which means that it's in the public domain. But people who take it and colorize it or something gain a copyright because they modified a public domain work.
20:52:45 <IsambardPrince> The mistake regarding the copyright was actually a mistake made possible by the US copyright law that existed at the time. It's since been changed so that mistake would not happen again, but since the movie entered the public domain and Congress never made the fix retroactive, it's still in the public domain.
23:10:55 <njsg> it has been changed, and isn't it also what is prescribed by the Berne convention, that copyright is automatic?
23:13:13 <njsg> youtube has a big problem with automated takedown, I don't even need to read that to imagine what might have happened
23:14:16 <njsg> this is the service that removed media uploaded by NASA because some news station triggered the system