00:55:40 Well, I think that programmers just like to copy things they've seen somewhere before or they have bosses breathing down their necks to do things that don't make very much logical sense, for political reasons. 00:56:38 There's no reason why JavaScript has to have the syntax it does. It ended up that way due to political pressure in the 90s from a company that doesn't exist anymore. Or rather, technically exists on paper because Microsoft and then Facebook bought it for its patents so they could threaten other companies. 00:58:34 So sad that people here can't even get history right even though they live in it. Oracle actually bought it. 01:07:45 JWZ said that Facebook owns Netscape now. 01:07:57 "New Aurora Corporation" and that it was sold to them by Microsoft. 01:08:06 Patent stripping, both times. What is there left to sell? 01:08:53 https://www.jwz.org/blog/2019/03/brand-necrophilia-part-7/ 01:13:52 KaiRo[m]: my history is pretty spot on.. maybe a few exagerations or interpretations here and there but you cannot argue with my overall sense of mozilla history 01:15:14 but yeah dude IsambardPrince i think you need to slow down a bit cause i think you are mixing aspects from multiple shitty actions by the companies 01:16:23 KaiRo[m]: you still rocking those borg implants or have they switched you over to webassimilation? 01:21:08 You really think that I care to answer stuff like that? I don't have to play in that league. But it looks like Beckett Mariner is just your kind of character. 01:27:48 JavaScript Interpreter....Security Problem. JavaScript JIT....Security disaster. MICROS~1/GULAG WASM "Alliance".....Just shove binaries into your browser. It's got electrolytes. It's what plants crave! 01:28:29 I like that Pale Moon has a global "Enable WebAssembly" checkbox that lets the user opt-out. 01:29:05 At the rate the Web is going, you definitely won't be able to use Tor even somewhat safely with it in <5 years. 01:30:39 FBI's DisrupTOR operation is probably salivating over WASM. 01:30:55 This is even worse than people shoving Flash and Java into the Tor Browser back when they could. 01:31:23 But it won't just be the FBI attacking it, it'll be Russia, it'll be China, it'll be North Korea, everyone. 01:32:52 "Modern Web" technologies are more focused on the "security" in the sense of "We'll try not to let it escape that tab or out into your computer, but no promises obviously." than they are with privacy. On the issue of privacy, there's about 10 million things in Firefox that subvert it. 01:34:01 So the future of Tor is going to have to focus on Hidden Services and just flat out not allowing Active Web Content technologies, and that's if they even care about the security and privacy of their users, which all indications point to "they don't". 01:39:41 If I browse with Tor at all, it's with the Safest settings, because I know all about the CVEs that you get with Web Fonts, and media codecs, and Scripting. 01:40:44 My opinion of Brendan Eich is not very high. Right? Brave has a Tor Mode, but it leaks like a damned sieve. So you get all the browsing slowness of Tor with none of the safety. In one case, it even leaked DNS lookups out of the browser and to your default DNS servers for several months without anyone realizing it. 01:41:34 Their "Crypto Wallet" partner UpHold? I call it HoldUp because they actively freeze and steal people's money and then don't reply when people ask what's happened. 01:42:11 Super sketchy guy running a super shady company. And so like, this is the guy that made JavaScript. He's smart, but he's a devious person. 01:43:51 If there is currently no way to secure Tor traffic in any Chromium browser due to limitations in Chromium, then they should either not implement it, or have a huge warning to the effect that limitations in Chromium undermine your privacy in Tor Mode, and you are using it at your own risk, and it may be useful for bypassing censorship software at your library or school or something. 01:44:35 NewTobinParadigm: Is there a way I can shoehorn searx.be into SeaMonkey as my default search provider? 01:45:43 yeah 01:46:31 depending on migration shit in searchplugins in the profile should get entered into the newer storage format 01:46:52 or you can simply put it up on a server and call the method to trigger the install of it 01:47:13 in my platform i reverted the searchservice back to the pre-early 40s fucking it got 01:48:45 I used Brave an made an UpHold account. It made my taxes a little more complicated, but at least I got my money out of it. 01:49:08 actually .. no i think it is checked 01:49:11 They'll go the way of Celsius pretty soon. Bankruptcy fraud to give them time to finish looting a fleeing the country to avoid prosecution. 01:49:18 i was thinking you may be able to call it for a local file 01:49:37 but no the web sidebar searchengine methods only allow http(s) 01:49:42 for security reasons 01:51:45 That's odd. In Firefox and GNOME Web, I was just able to punch it in by hand and assign a search hotkey to it. 01:51:48 Vivaldi too. 14:52:08 https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/cloudflare-ip-blockade.html oh Clownflare, stay klassy 14:52:41 curiously this morning many of the Clownflare-"fronted" websites I usually visit daily were giving 522 errors here for no good reason at all 14:53:04 no captcha hell, tho 14:55:46 https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/detect-non-browser-form-submission.html wait, this idiot ROOTED for that and it's now getting served a bowl of his own poison? :;D 14:57:40 (also the blog author dislikes "old Firefox forks" due to the same tired reason of "not keeping up with the Googles") 15:26:21 was it Origin that Cloudflare required at that one point when they also screwed up fallback? (they provided alternatives for other browsers, but the check was in these versions too and there was nothing to catch such a failure, and it'd instead go back to the beginning, effectively launching cloudflare's own DDoS against cloudflare) 20:37:53 seamonkey.exe, [started] a month ago (11:31:47 AM 08/15/2022) 20:37:55 opened some crap site today, so now sitting at 4GB RAM, so now (tomorrow actually) will be a good time to Quit & installed latest 2.53.15b... 20:37:59 bye 20:40:18 therube let me/us know how it goes. 20:52:02 therube: I'd try first the buttons in about:memory :-) 20:52:41 but of course quitting and starting again might be simpler if there's not much open 21:01:16 about:memory is indeed a lifesaver 21:17:04 about:about 21:17:06 :P 21:17:35 about:config as an extension 21:17:48 it isn't a terrible idea 21:18:06 but i think i like my solution better 21:19:53 i have a prefpane that is acting as the main integration tree point thing for adding shit to preferences.. but that prefpane also hosts a xul iframe to about:config so it gives a nearly integrated look