00:24:11 <NewTobinParadigm> njsg: did you create the xpfe theme?
00:24:31 <NewTobinParadigm> cause I seriously considered slotting it in as a replacement for the normal default
00:24:49 <NewTobinParadigm> instead i just modified it fixed some metrics and then changed the icons
01:05:47 <NewTobinParadigm> all respect to the old gaurd but they chose some shitty fuckin icons for the classic theme
01:06:04 <NewTobinParadigm> the shapes were perfect but the gradent and color work sucked ass
06:05:32 <McI> https://ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/seamonkey/20220917#c198642 is just a lie
06:05:33 <McI> i know what i do and what i can so this wouldn't be offending much, but he was so badly offending and calling names you can't imagine
06:40:25 <IsambardPrince> Isn't he the one that got thrown out of Pale Moon?
07:59:34 <njsg> NewTobinParadigm: no, just an interested possible user
07:59:46 <njsg> NewTobinParadigm: are your modifications somewhere public?
08:27:51 <McI> njsg: no, IsambardPrince is right
08:28:51 <njsg> oh, I was replying re: XPFE classic
08:31:30 <McI> sorry
08:33:54 <McI> seems i missed the colon
08:51:53 <njsg> no worries; lack of coffee probably made me not be clear enough
09:19:23 <McI> :-)
13:34:02 <IanN_Away> Status meeting starts in 28 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-09-18
13:56:56 <frg> Status meeting starts in 5 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-09-18
13:58:47 <njsg> hi .*
13:59:12 <IanN> Status meeting starts in 3 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-09-18
13:59:15 <frg> hi again *
14:00:02 <WG9s_> hi all - here for the meeting
14:00:21 <frg> WG9s_ hi
14:00:22 <IanN> WG9s_: hi
14:01:13 <WG9s_> hi rsx11m
14:01:35 <IanN> morning rsx11m
14:01:36 <rsx11m> hi WG9s_ frg IanN njsg
14:01:52 <frg> rsx11m greetings
14:03:34 <IanN> Meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-09-18
14:03:39 <tomman> hello world~
14:03:55 <frg> Hi tomman
14:03:55 <IanN> hi tomman
14:03:57 <IanN> Who's taking minutes?
14:04:09 <frg> me
14:05:41 <IanN> frg: thanks
14:05:59 <IanN> Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
14:07:09 <IanN> I nominate for his recent backporting splurge
14:07:19 <IanN> I nominate frg for his recent backporting splurge
14:07:29 <rsx11m> always++
14:07:44 <WG9s_> third
14:07:57 <frg> for being the uptimate copycat :)
14:08:04 <njsg> fourth
14:08:18 <frg> ^ultimate
14:10:00 <tomman> copying is the ultimate form of innovation
14:10:49 <frg> well it is a form or art as we do it.
14:11:16 <IanN> thanks
14:11:19 <IanN> Action Items
14:13:04 <frg> Noting new from me. Again enough action for a lifetime
14:13:17 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
14:14:13 <IanN> Nothing from the Linux side as far as I am aware
14:14:16 <frg> Nothing changed unless ewong did something in the background I think.
14:16:21 <IanN> I know Firefox / TB are moving to a later SDK (11.3?) on trunk, but I think means removing support for building on older macOS versions
14:17:36 <frg> Minimum is 10.12. We are still supporting 10.9+ I would be ok with 10.12+ too. Anything not running it is ancient. Early Core2Duo and older.
14:17:56 <cabrag> ...any good newses about Mail App Favicon Error ?
14:18:11 <njsg> cabrag: what was the problem, and was that about the task bar/window icon?
14:18:35 <frg> After the meeting please.
14:18:38 <cabrag> Browser Favicon OK, but The mail app favicon resolution error
14:18:45 <tomman> how about ARMacs?
14:19:04 <IanN> I think it was moving to macOS 13 SDK, which in turn requires Xcode 14 which requires 12.4
14:19:16 <IanN> I think it was moving to macOS 13 SDK, which in turn requires Xcode 14 which requires macOS 12.4
14:19:29 <frg> tomman on the way. Needs more build fixes. It is running on them. I own one. Fullscreen is broken.
14:19:49 <frg> But the fullscreen issue is probably unrelated to the sdk.
14:20:58 <tomman> also, are 32-bit builds on the chopping block yet?
14:21:09 <tomman> (wonder how many people still rely on those)
14:21:29 <frg> undecided. I am in favor of it
14:22:29 <IanN> we could check with ewong what the update figures are for 32-bit versions
14:23:31 <IanN> if it comes to point where it gets too difficult to build / test 32-bit versions, that is when we will definitely drop them
14:23:57 <IanN> but we may do it before then
14:24:07 <rsx11m> Thunderbird still offers them for their 102.x releases, but in a separate row on the "all" page
14:24:46 <frg> Yes currently gcc 8 is fine and Windows too. I would say when CentOS 7 goes out of support at the latest.
14:25:10 <frg> No intention to remove any build code unless it is done upstream.
14:25:38 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
14:26:27 <frg> central is still broken unless you apply some preliminary patches. I will push a few of them with the next round. release is fine.
14:27:14 <frg> Please test 2.531.5b1 pre. Latest NSS and NSPR in and some other stuff for media and prefs from me and IanN.
14:27:48 <IanN> yes, contentPrefs has been removed, there is now only contentPrefs2
14:28:40 <frg> Unlike mozilla merged and kept the full functionality  but might break add-ons and is async.
14:28:42 <WG9s_> central requires sdk 11.3, going back to the macOS sdk discussion
14:29:43 <IanN> contentPrefs was deprecated back in Gecko 26, so hopefully most add-ons didn't use it
14:32:13 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
14:32:36 <IanN> oops already done that
14:32:50 <IanN> Release Train
14:34:12 <frg> 2.53.14 is next. Nothing reported against the beta. 2 Lightning fixes will go in but for older problems. Checked esr102 sec fixes and nothing for us I think. Seems 99% is either regression fixes and for stuff no in these days. Does not mean that we are scot free unfortunately.
14:36:34 <frg> There was one report about devianart cause a crash in the Linux build but not able to confirm.
14:37:25 <frg> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14938537#p14938537
14:38:52 <frg> unfortunately the crash reporter site is down and seems no crash report generated either.
14:41:09 <IanN> yes, need both
14:44:06 <IanN> Extensions Tracking
14:44:15 <teruna> Hello! I hope it is fine to mention this during the status meeting: When applying the latest patch set I encountered this issue: "decoding near 'ed-by: Jes�s-Javier ': 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xfa in position 679: invalid start byte!". The problematic file seems to be 1642687-2-NSS355-80a1.patch which is "Non-ISO extended-ASCII text".
14:44:59 <tomman> Palefill is working wonders, the dev ack'd my Pixiv issue
14:45:24 <tomman> also, how about a more recent release of pdf.js instead of a fork abandoned nearly 2 years ago?
14:45:44 <IanN> teruna: yes, the patch should be sorted soon
14:46:16 <IanN> tomman: yes, we need to look at that
14:46:34 <IanN> latest version of Palefill is 1.20
14:46:55 <frg> teruna updated patch is in just now.
14:48:39 <frg> tomman I regularly update pdf.js in the tree but no time yet to integrate. I usually pick things first which affect me personally when not essential and pdf.js is not among these :)
14:48:57 <tomman> at least a .xpi one could test would be nice
14:49:07 <tomman> the current fork I'm using works, but you never know when it will break
14:49:26 <teruna> IanN and frg: Thanks a lot!
14:49:35 <frg> tomman I now and then try it and if it breaks let me know.
14:50:03 <tomman> (for those not in the know, this is the fork: https://github.com/IsaacSchemm/pdf.js-seamonkey )
14:50:35 <IanN> tomman: do you know how that differs from what is in mozilla-central?
14:50:55 <frg> tomman has some problems like needing to reload twice
14:51:38 <tomman> IanN: dunno, aside of being based on a ~2-year old base
14:51:55 <tomman> IIRC it had some integration problems with Mail&News, although I don't use it there
14:54:07 <IanN> Feature List, Planning, 2.Next and Roundtable
14:55:00 <frg> bau. When I finish with nss nspr I will pick the next target.
14:56:35 <frg> stylo gfx and js are the top prios
14:57:02 <frg> plus build stuff for py 3.
14:57:14 <frg> But we have thankfully help here.
15:01:26 <IanN> AOB?
15:02:26 <frg> bau :)
15:02:52 <frg> dst coming up when?
15:03:13 <rsx11m> err, we have it right now?
15:03:42 <rsx11m> last weekend October for European DST, first in November for North America
15:03:56 <rsx11m> unless anybody decided /not/ to switch back ;-)
15:03:58 <tomman> fortunately DST does not exist in most of Latam :)
15:04:12 <IanN> to highlight next meeting...
15:04:16 <frg> rsx11m I mena the dst end but seem to be 06/11 for the US. So not for the next meeting.
15:04:49 <rsx11m> next meetin October 9th, so definitely not
15:05:18 <rsx11m> October 30th would just be on the spot for DST ending on your side
15:06:07 <frg> rsx11m I just wich it would end or stay permantly. seems you might get it in 2023.
15:06:36 <rsx11m> there was a respective bill introduced in the U.S., as far as I recall...
15:06:45 <rsx11m> no clue how far it got
15:06:46 <frg> https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/us-permanent-dst.html
15:07:14 <rsx11m> yes, but still would need approval from the House
15:08:37 <frg> well the protectors of all what is right in the world did introduce it so there is a chance that they iwll not obstruct it and a few dems will vote with them.
15:08:39 <njsg> no action in the House since March 16th?
15:09:26 <IanN> okay, I think I will call this a meeting, thanks for your time everyone. Next meeting in 3 weeks time, same bat time, same bat channel
15:09:38 <frg> see you
15:09:45 <rsx11m> njsg: haven't heard of any, this would have been in the news I'd guess
15:10:07 <IanN> rsx11m: have a good breakfast
15:10:09 <njsg> looking at https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623/all-actions
15:10:35 <rsx11m> IanN; already done, got up early this morning 8-)
15:10:41 <njsg> (unless its identifier changes once it enters a different chamber?)
15:10:50 <IanN> rsx11m: very nice :)
15:12:11 <frg> cabrag Icons in taskbar look ok for me: https://ibb.co/DDsSQjX
15:12:25 <rsx11m> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623/text
15:12:27 <rsx11m> Latest Action: 	House - 03/16/2022 Held at the desk
15:18:14 <IanN> whose desk?
15:19:23 <rsx11m> may collide with https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/69 which is essentially the same
15:19:57 <rsx11m> likely it comes up again in November when the clocks are turned back...
15:20:10 <rsx11m> (unless overshadowed by election stuff)
15:20:51 <frg> rsx11m can you keep my section when doing the meeting notes copy. Worked for a while :)
15:21:18 <rsx11m> ooops, sorry - purelt mechanical reflexes ;-)
15:21:30 <rsx11m> ^purely
15:22:39 <frg> No big deal but sames me a minute or 2 each time.
15:22:46 <rsx11m> see you in October!
15:22:50 <rsx11m> bye
15:23:15 <frg> bye
15:40:42 <cabrag> frg : loook like it was because an iconpack
15:40:45 <cabrag> frg : thx
17:18:55 <NewTobinParadigm> njsg: everything was made public again except some infra repos which will become public again once I create a BinOC Permissive License.. the theory being that people are gonna steal from me anyway as proven multiple times.. may as well make a more permissive license I want to str8 up cover and define what server runtime software is. I also want it to require attribution and for it to not be compatible in situations where other licenses would
17:18:55 <NewTobinParadigm> assimilate
17:45:21 <NewTobinParadigm> but what specfifically did you want to see? the changes skinwise?
17:45:45 <NewTobinParadigm> Will have to pull up history forb the various locations for you
17:48:38 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/graveyard/binoc-central/commits/TRUNK/navigator/themes
17:48:38 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/graveyard/binoc-central/commits/TRUNK/projects/navigator/themes
17:48:38 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commits/TRUNK/apps/navigator/themes
17:48:45 <NewTobinParadigm> that should cover em
17:49:40 <NewTobinParadigm> topsrcdir/navigator -> topsrcdir/projects/navigator -> topsrcdir/navigator -> (new repo) topsrcdir/apps/navigator
17:49:54 <NewTobinParadigm> that is how it has moved heh
18:20:02 <NewTobinParadigm> there may be some more tidbits in there that can halp seamonkey that wasn't already cherry picked
18:20:53 <NewTobinParadigm> I am gonna fork instantbird too
23:45:15 <NewTobinParadigm> but yeah tomman and njsg i think you can have your own flare and style while doing a ux that doesn't clash with the os
23:46:10 <NewTobinParadigm> and yet everyone had to shove layers of crap on top in firefox and thunderbird