njsg: did you create the xpfe theme?

cause I seriously considered slotting it in as a replacement for the normal default

instead i just modified it fixed some metrics and then changed the icons

all respect to the old gaurd but they chose some shitty fuckin icons for the classic theme

the shapes were perfect but the gradent and color work sucked ass

ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/seamonkey/20220917#c198642 is just a lie

i know what i do and what i can so this wouldn't be offending much, but he was so badly offending and calling names you can't imagine

Isn't he the one that got thrown out of Pale Moon?

NewTobinParadigm: no, just an interested possible user

NewTobinParadigm: are your modifications somewhere public?

njsg: no, IsambardPrince is right

oh, I was replying re: XPFE classic

sorry

seems i missed the colon

no worries; lack of coffee probably made me not be clear enough

:-)

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hi all - here for the meeting

WG9s_ hi

WG9s_: hi

hi rsx11m

morning rsx11m

hi WG9s_ frg IanN njsg

rsx11m greetings

Meeting time - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-09-18

hello world~

Hi tomman

hi tomman

Who's taking minutes?

me

frg: thanks

Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?

I nominate for his recent backporting splurge

I nominate frg for his recent backporting splurge

always++

third

for being the uptimate copycat :)

fourth

^ultimate

copying is the ultimate form of innovation

well it is a form or art as we do it.

thanks

Action Items

Noting new from me. Again enough action for a lifetime

Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure

Nothing from the Linux side as far as I am aware

Nothing changed unless ewong did something in the background I think.

I know Firefox / TB are moving to a later SDK (11.3?) on trunk, but I think means removing support for building on older macOS versions

Minimum is 10.12. We are still supporting 10.9+ I would be ok with 10.12+ too. Anything not running it is ancient. Early Core2Duo and older.

...any good newses about Mail App Favicon Error ?

cabrag: what was the problem, and was that about the task bar/window icon?

After the meeting please.

Browser Favicon OK, but The mail app favicon resolution error

how about ARMacs?

I think it was moving to macOS 13 SDK, which in turn requires Xcode 14 which requires 12.4

I think it was moving to macOS 13 SDK, which in turn requires Xcode 14 which requires macOS 12.4

tomman on the way. Needs more build fixes. It is running on them. I own one. Fullscreen is broken.

But the fullscreen issue is probably unrelated to the sdk.

also, are 32-bit builds on the chopping block yet?

(wonder how many people still rely on those)

undecided. I am in favor of it

we could check with ewong what the update figures are for 32-bit versions

if it comes to point where it gets too difficult to build / test 32-bit versions, that is when we will definitely drop them

but we may do it before then

Thunderbird still offers them for their 102.x releases, but in a separate row on the "all" page

Yes currently gcc 8 is fine and Windows too. I would say when CentOS 7 goes out of support at the latest.

No intention to remove any build code unless it is done upstream.

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree

central is still broken unless you apply some preliminary patches. I will push a few of them with the next round. release is fine.

Please test 2.531.5b1 pre. Latest NSS and NSPR in and some other stuff for media and prefs from me and IanN.

yes, contentPrefs has been removed, there is now only contentPrefs2

Unlike mozilla merged and kept the full functionality but might break add-ons and is async.

central requires sdk 11.3, going back to the macOS sdk discussion

contentPrefs was deprecated back in Gecko 26, so hopefully most add-ons didn't use it

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree

oops already done that

Release Train

2.53.14 is next. Nothing reported against the beta. 2 Lightning fixes will go in but for older problems. Checked esr102 sec fixes and nothing for us I think. Seems 99% is either regression fixes and for stuff no in these days. Does not mean that we are scot free unfortunately.

There was one report about devianart cause a crash in the Linux build but not able to confirm.

unfortunately the crash reporter site is down and seems no crash report generated either.

yes, need both

Extensions Tracking

Hello! I hope it is fine to mention this during the status meeting: When applying the latest patch set I encountered this issue: "decoding near 'ed-by: Jes�s-Javier ': 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xfa in position 679: invalid start byte!". The problematic file seems to be 1642687-2-NSS355-80a1.patch which is "Non-ISO extended-ASCII text".

Palefill is working wonders, the dev ack'd my Pixiv issue

also, how about a more recent release of pdf.js instead of a fork abandoned nearly 2 years ago?

teruna: yes, the patch should be sorted soon

tomman: yes, we need to look at that

latest version of Palefill is 1.20

teruna updated patch is in just now.

tomman I regularly update pdf.js in the tree but no time yet to integrate. I usually pick things first which affect me personally when not essential and pdf.js is not among these :)

at least a .xpi one could test would be nice

the current fork I'm using works, but you never know when it will break

IanN and frg: Thanks a lot!

tomman I now and then try it and if it breaks let me know.

(for those not in the know, this is the fork: github.com/IsaacSchemm/pdf.js-seamonkey )

tomman: do you know how that differs from what is in mozilla-central?

tomman has some problems like needing to reload twice

IanN: dunno, aside of being based on a ~2-year old base

IIRC it had some integration problems with Mail&News, although I don't use it there

Feature List, Planning, 2.Next and Roundtable

bau. When I finish with nss nspr I will pick the next target.

stylo gfx and js are the top prios

plus build stuff for py 3.

But we have thankfully help here.

AOB?

bau :)

dst coming up when?

err, we have it right now?

last weekend October for European DST, first in November for North America

unless anybody decided /not/ to switch back ;-)

fortunately DST does not exist in most of Latam :)

to highlight next meeting...

rsx11m I mena the dst end but seem to be 06/11 for the US. So not for the next meeting.

next meetin October 9th, so definitely not

October 30th would just be on the spot for DST ending on your side

rsx11m I just wich it would end or stay permantly. seems you might get it in 2023.

there was a respective bill introduced in the U.S., as far as I recall...

no clue how far it got

yes, but still would need approval from the House

well the protectors of all what is right in the world did introduce it so there is a chance that they iwll not obstruct it and a few dems will vote with them.

no action in the House since March 16th?

okay, I think I will call this a meeting, thanks for your time everyone. Next meeting in 3 weeks time, same bat time, same bat channel

see you

njsg: haven't heard of any, this would have been in the news I'd guess

rsx11m: have a good breakfast

looking at congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623/all-actions

IanN; already done, got up early this morning 8-)

(unless its identifier changes once it enters a different chamber?)

rsx11m: very nice :)

cabrag Icons in taskbar look ok for me: ibb.co/DDsSQjX

Latest Action: House - 03/16/2022 Held at the desk

whose desk?

may collide with congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/69 which is essentially the same

likely it comes up again in November when the clocks are turned back...

(unless overshadowed by election stuff)

rsx11m can you keep my section when doing the meeting notes copy. Worked for a while :)

ooops, sorry - purelt mechanical reflexes ;-)

^purely

No big deal but sames me a minute or 2 each time.

see you in October!

bye

bye

frg : loook like it was because an iconpack

frg : thx

njsg: everything was made public again except some infra repos which will become public again once I create a BinOC Permissive License.. the theory being that people are gonna steal from me anyway as proven multiple times.. may as well make a more permissive license I want to str8 up cover and define what server runtime software is. I also want it to require attribution and for it to not be compatible in situations where other licenses would

assimilate

but what specfifically did you want to see? the changes skinwise?

Will have to pull up history forb the various locations for you

that should cover em

topsrcdir/navigator -> topsrcdir/projects/navigator -> topsrcdir/navigator -> (new repo) topsrcdir/apps/navigator

that is how it has moved heh

there may be some more tidbits in there that can halp seamonkey that wasn't already cherry picked

I am gonna fork instantbird too

but yeah tomman and njsg i think you can have your own flare and style while doing a ux that doesn't clash with the os

and yet everyone had to shove layers of crap on top in firefox and thunderbird