Welp, the electric company in Illinois just redid their site with a bunch of Microsoft Azure crap.

And now SeaMonkey can't log in to pay my electric bill.

I tried out an official build of SeaMonkey 2.53.14 beta 1 yesterday and it's an even bigger compatibility nightmare than 2.53.13 provided by Fedora. Turns out that Fedora has been applying downstream patches for site compatibility.

Guess I need to wait for 2.53.14 as a Fedora RPM.

Fedora should push their patches upstream then

They've always said that's what they work to do.

I/we can't take the patches as is. I have some like the site compatibility fixes on the radar but no eta.

ComEd, the electric company in Illinois, just changed to some fresh Hell based on Microsoft Azure.

And now the thing doesn't even load my account dashboard in SeaMonkey. :(

I don't know what's going wrong with that.

check the error log.

Firefox handles it.

and Chrome probably too so what is the point.

Well, there are a lot of errors.

customelements shadow dom ?

I cleared it and hit log in.

There's two errors in red now and a bunch of warnings.

The two red errors are "XML parsing error: no root element found" and "syntax error unrecognized expression unsupportes peudo -webkit-autofill".

any public url

Could try hitting sign in.

For me, it never loads the next page.

nothing obvious but seems to be delivering chrome edge only code.

Figures.

There's a bunch of webkit vendor prefix crap that gives warnings.

martok.github.io/palefill OK, wish there was a SeaMonkey version of this

wait

> Contributors have also helped with Iceweasel-UXP, Basilisk and SeaMonkey support. Those are considered “mostly supported”.

oh, sweet~

And it unbreaks GiggityHub again!

Hello. Can someone please tell me the shortcut for GoTo Line at Seamonkeys debugger? Thank you.

weird, Palefill is supposed to support Pixiv, but it won't let me login because window.customElements is still undefined

no, the form STILL tries to log in, but I get a 400 Invalid Request JSON reply

...time to do some hacking, as the logon form is not a www.pixiv.net, but accounts.pixiv.net instead

yeah, adding accounts.pixiv.net to builtin-rules.js lets me logon, yay~

wish the ruleset could be edited client-side instead of hacking the .XPI, but eh, I'll take that.

forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=28747 awesome, Google Drive is also dead in the water here

but amazingly latest GMail redesign STILL WORKS on SeaMonkey

apparently the GMail team is the only one that cares about compatibility, but then, it's email

it IS supposed to be compatible with everything!

tomman some stuff already works with dom.webcomponents.enabled and dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled set to true. Not recommended for general browsing or permanently right now

In general I can browse github and gitlab with only minor issues

I rarely use Google Drive anyway

but GMail still surprises me

either they have a strict rule of "not messing with email so it aids Google mass data slurping" or they forgot the memo of jumping into the latest Chromeisms

PerformanceObserver is in. Just regexp is a headache. Rebasing Waterfoxc patches but stuck in the middle because no time

It would be cool if SeaMonkey had Gemini support. The Web is falling apart anyway.

It's turned into a complete spam farm and fraud and link rot.

Will not happen. No resources and knowledge to implement a new protocol. So unless someone else does it no way unfortunately.

tomman: I think Gmail still has "basic HTML" too, although for some time I think that doesn't stick anymore (you have to actively click the link every time)

it used to remember the choice

could it be code that's left around as long as it doesn't break?

IsambardPrince: modify the gopher extension for those sticking with xul

;)

Does Gemini even have a userbase these days, aside of a niche among the Hackernews crowd?

I been working on this preview.binaryoutcast.com/special/test/?case=xpfile

tomman: no

just a few crazies but that in and of its self shouldn't be a slight against it

I do not want yet another protocol

I want webdevs to stop chasing the latest shinies

tomman: we need moar protocols

https for everything is fucked

hell even http isn't recommended anymore even for sites that are public read-only with no interactive bit or one that is already https gauded

so tomman sorry but i want more protocols

And I want to go back to 2001 :/

to keep the open web from completely supremecy

sorry but I'm a dinosaur

tomman: in 2001 there were dozens of actively used protocols

the web was only one

so we don't disagree except on the sub-point of that gopher and fake-gophers can exist

back when I first went online in June 2001 over my powerful dial-up modem on my Deceleron shoebox, I never imagined that the day I would hate the Internet and its associated contents

alas, here we are

---associated contents would ever arrive

tomman: well for now.. one can still do their own thing

and i am doing that until I physically can't anymore

no, wait, there WAS a thing I already hated in 2001

and that was Flash and Java applets

Microsoft

oh

applets are good

i love npapi

not on a Deceleron shoebox

every time I hit a page that required Flash or Java, I cursed everybody and his dog

java applets are a special case perhaps, possibly owing to implementation, possibly the memory model

it tended to feel much more resource-intensive

now activex was fucked THAT is what allowed google and apple to use cell phones to kill the netscape plugin application programming interface

combine that with a "56K" modem connecting at 28K just because even then my ISP was terrible, and well...

prove me wrong

I only dealt with ActiveX back then to install Flash, and the rare visit to Windows Update

at least with flash and java there was a barrier to entry, and it was easier to make webdevs feel there was a price to pay if they chose to use these for essential parts of the site

now that Flash and Java applets are gone, I fear we got scammed hard, as their replacements are 100x times WORSE

now with html5, javascript and css and every new and rewritten standard...

why should macromedia and adobe bother keeping flash secure when it is still insecure as fuck via activex and chrome came along and dropped support prompting everyone to and subplanting it with widevine in a monopolistic move adobe conspired with to be the token second until established

JESUS CHRIST I NEED TO COLLECT ALL THIS SHIT AND WRITE IT ALL UP

and put it on BinOC eh tomman njsg

Back in 2001 my bank (which already used HTTPS!) just wanted my debit card (and PIN) to logon, but would not let me do that much other that consulting balances

all because of god damned cellphones and those are only popular and matter to this because apple created the ipod

all banks used https

now the same bank shows me a f'ing Mac every time it loads its toxic pile of Javascripts!

https was SPECIFICALLY FOR FINANCIAL BUSINESS REASONS

Adobe certainly has a reputation regarding "keeping secure" no idea whether it's well deserved, but they do appear to insist in adding features that won't help, like ECMAscript on PDF.

now THAT triggers me: aren't there computers other than Macs?!

adobe ruined macromedia products

tomman: yes, there are Emacs too

touchè~

i was a huge user (read: pirate) of macromedia

also of jasc

and corel fucked that up

oh, Paint Shop Pro

the last good PSP version was PSP7

I still have it installed on a ol' XP laptop

I still use it from time to time

like symantec fucks up what they buy.. google literally rapes and sacrafises a fetus to whatever they buy

yeah tomman the state of things is certainly fucked

PSP9

tho PSP 11 was the only corel version i can stand to use

now I use GIMP, but man, it's not the same

but it is a bit glitchy on Windows 10

well tomman all my old shit is all in psp or pspimage format

PSP was "just good", the feature set was exactly OK for my needs

and i been using the program for .. decades now

scan stuff, clean it up a bit, save optimized JPG/PNG, done

even GIMP falls flat every now and then, and full fat Photoshop is an abomination

i do occasionally use photoshop (including 6 specifically cause the way it generates some of its effects like clouds) but i prefer psp

(but then last good Photoshop was 6 or CS3, depending on who you ask)

CS2 was good

i think that was pre-adobe modern up

ui

vs adobe post-modern ui on their AAAAAAAAAPPS

I do want to start writing again

no, CS3 was the final version prior to the Creative Cloud™ subscription model

AKA "pay up or we'll hold your files ransom"

but i can't write posts until i finish writing a huge chunk of code lol

well that is the cost of not giving adobe thousands of dollars up front i guess

tomman

oh, was it adobe that had that pricing scheme where it was cheaper to fly to the states to buy the product?

sounds more like Autodesk or Oracle

same shit

i'd rather shut down than shell out

sell*

Oracle's in a different league, I think.

in the case of Oracle, they will definitively shut down you :D

Oracle is as bad as M$$$$