01:23:16 <tomman> lovely "3G" junk
01:23:30 <tomman> yes, my DSL died... for real
01:23:53 <tomman> so I guess back to the "extremely low bandwidth" for the next weeks/months/years
10:06:38 <user_id[m]> Hi there. Can you please tell me how I can specify the default settings for the Linux version of Seamonkey?
10:06:38 <user_id[m]> I can't migrate a configured profile, a new one will be generated every time.
10:08:09 <user_id[m]> Seamonkey version is 2.53.12
10:12:14 <njsg> user_id[m]: to migrate configured profiles, you need to move the seamonkey per-user settings/profile directory, should be $HOME/.mozilla/seamonkey
10:12:54 <njsg> (to migrate a specific profile, you'd just move/copy that profile's directory and amend profiles.ini as needed)
10:14:17 <njsg> Now depending on where to and where from you're moving the profile(s), you should double-check that everything is working as expected, there may be e.g. full paths that won't work (in downloads?)
10:15:04 <njsg> (frg_Away probably knows more details about this?)
10:16:21 <njsg> now default settings, that is something you could do separately, if that's what you're looking for, I don't recall the precise location but I think it's possible to create a file with default or unchangeable preferences for a given install
10:17:55 <njsg> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Locking_preferences#Other_uses_for_the_mozilla.cfg_file
10:23:03 <njsg> (if you follow these instructions, see also the text above there: general.config.filename will be relative to the installation directory, not defaults/pref/)
10:26:03 <user_id[m]> Спасибо за ответ.
10:26:03 <user_id[m]> Профили должны иметь разный ID, будет много пользователей и названия профилей не должны совпадать.
10:26:14 <user_id[m]> Thank you for your reply.
10:26:14 <user_id[m]> Profiles should have different IDs, there will be many users and profile names should not match.
10:27:36 <user_id[m]> In fact, I need to make an installation distribution with my custom settings
10:28:19 <user_id[m]>  *
10:28:28 <njsg> oh, rereading and now I think I understand better, I thought "I can't migrate [...]" was a/the problem you were trying to solve
10:29:30 <njsg> then perhaps what's described in that mozillazine kb article, with defaultPref(), will work?
10:32:21 <user_id[m]> Besides the about:config settings that are written in Pref(), I need to add some extensions (uBlock, etc) and change the appearance settings.
10:36:14 <njsg> I think for extensions you put these under extensions/ inside the installation directory
10:36:34 <njsg> now what do you mean with appearance settings?
10:41:24 <user_id[m]> It does work with extensions, I tried it and it worked.
10:41:25 <user_id[m]> I need to change the order of the buttons, remove the print and transition buttons, add a search form to the panel (xulstore.json)
10:41:25 <user_id[m]> I can't figure out where to put the configs to copy them to the new user's profile
10:50:12 <njsg> that example with "mozilla.cfg" should work, although I've not tested it recently with *new* profiles; perhaps other people have pointers about other ways to establish default preferences?
10:55:03 <user_id[m]> Thanks for the answer!
10:55:05 <user_id[m]> If I understand correctly, mozilla.cfg can only configure Pref() parameters.
10:55:05 <user_id[m]> It doesn't adjust the layout of the interface elements.
10:57:37 <njsg> it sounds like it is more powerful than that, but I've only used it for preferences
10:59:54 <user_id[m]> I placed the configs in the seamonkey/defaults/profile/* directory, but they would not copy to the new profile.
11:05:32 <njsg> there's also https://mike.kaply.com/2012/03/15/customizing-firefox-default-preference-files/ which I haven't used personally
11:07:01 <njsg> the mozilla.cfg/general.config.filename approach would be a different thing, though
11:13:30 <user_id[m]> Thanks for the advice. I will try with browser/defaults/preferences.
11:15:06 * njsg has to get afk for a bit, bbl
11:16:13 <frg_Away> layout is in xulstore.json and not aware that this can be set via defaults. defaults are hardcoded in the themes.
11:19:33 <user_id[m]> I want to customize the xulstore.json and place it in the distribution so that it is copied to a new profile when Seamonkey starts up
11:19:56 <user_id[m]> *first time
11:21:40 <user_id[m]>  I will try with browser/defaults/preferences/xulstore.json
11:22:58 <user_id[m]> With  browser/defaults/pref/xulstore.json didn`t work
11:35:23 <user_id[m]> Hm, with  browser/defaults/preferences/xulstore.json didn't work too
11:35:42 <user_id[m]> s/Hm/Hmm/
12:14:03 <frg_Away> has been some time since I looked at this part but think it will only copy prefs and search xml data
12:20:04 <user_id[m]> It's strange if no one has ever had such questions
12:45:32 <user_id[m]> It looks like I need to unpack browser/omni.ja and make changes there, then pack it back
13:53:32 <user_id[m]> I found the reason - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234012
13:54:59 <user_id[m]> And this - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1240798
14:01:51 <njsg> if it works, I'd expect it to copy from defaults/profile/xulstore.json
14:04:16 <WaltS48[m]> I was wondering the if there was a SeaMonkey here on Matrix just the other day.
14:04:32 <WaltS48[m]> s/the//
14:05:57 <user_id[m]> njsg: It doesn't work I tried it
14:09:49 <frg_Away> I did the bug long ago and I think it copies only specifc files. Also the xulstore.json can probably not replaced while SM is open.
14:11:42 <user_id[m]> I deleted the profile each time before starting Seamonkey
14:13:16 <njsg> two ideas I didn't check: perhaps the autoconfiguration file can do this somehow; or possibly an extension to override theme files
14:14:54 <njsg> a modified version of the theme could be a third possibility, problem is that if you rely on the theme somehow, you need to test it with every new release in case your solution needs to be adjusted
14:18:04 <user_id[m]> I will check the solution for Firefox, maybe it will help  https://mike.kaply.com/2016/05/24/default-profile-directory-doesnt-work-in-firefox-46/
14:19:57 <user_id[m]> The autoconfiguration method is used here
17:41:17 <therube> rebooted.  1st time in 7 months - only to install AMD video drivers (which didn't accomplish anything).
20:37:50 <frg_Away> Hi buc
20:38:02 <buc> Hi frg
20:38:59 <a-865> buc: haven't seen you much lately
20:38:59 <frg_Away> buc hope you are ok with all the stuff hitting the wall.
20:40:13 <buc> Thanks!
20:43:31 <buc> Just came to suggest user)id[m] how to set local SM system-wide settings -- just use /usr/lib64/seamonkey/defaults/pref/all-somename.js file with pref("pref_name", pref_value); statements.
20:43:53 <buc> "somename" can be anything. Fedora uses "all-fedora.js" and so on.
20:44:08 <buc> Surely user_id[m]
20:48:10 <frg_Away> I think layout can not be configured but prefs should work. there is also a distribution specific file or directory which is read. Never used it so I don't remember the exact name.
20:49:46 <frg_Away> buc got a new job so still stuck porting regexp from Waterfox but your optional chaining is now always in the queue and be updated. Hope to put the ua stuff in too.
20:51:10 <buc> frg: For the layout some lifehacks are possible, based on Linux's /etc/skel/ feature (ie. preload for newly created user into its ~/.mozilla/* etc.)
20:54:33 <buc> frg: For useragent stuff I think the list should be re-checked. Some sites I couldn't check at all (either require login for the test case, or just not available at all nowadays). Probably something should be added from them (currently it is commented out in the source).
20:57:39 <frg_Away> buc it will probably take a bit till it will be in. Can't promise 2.53.14. We are now just doing 2.53.13b1. Source updates 3h ago.
20:57:48 <frg_Away> ^updated
21:07:29 <buc> frg: It could be fine to provide the source tarballs the same way how nightly builds are now provided. At least the upcoming beta and release tarballs (ie. just to not wait for the long time appearance at archive.mozilla.org).
21:08:11 <frg_Away> buc WG9s does this. IanN would need to provide it.
21:08:43 <frg_Away> nighty night.