13:46:08 Status meeting in 14 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-06-05 13:55:35 hi all - here for the meeting 13:57:06 hi tonymec and WG9s 13:57:14 Status meeting in 3 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-06-05 14:00:11 hi IanN WG9s frg 14:01:51 Hi rsx11m tonymec all 14:02:01 Meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-06-05 14:02:05 hi rsx11m 14:02:19 Who's taking minutes? 14:02:31 hellp IanN frg 14:02:35 me 14:02:39 thanks frg 14:02:41 hi tonymec 14:02:43 Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank? 14:02:56 hello rsx11m 14:03:56 I nominate tobin for his crossref tool 14:04:13 +1 14:04:17 +2 14:04:30 thanks 14:05:04 http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? 14:06:32 Action Items 14:07:20 too much action with new job so bau 14:07:52 affirmative 14:07:55 Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure 14:08:16 hi 14:08:52 njsg hi 14:09:40 not aware of any infra changes. Should we update rust for 2.53.13b1? Not really needed I think. 1.58.1 is fine and stable for now. 14:10:27 the more stable the better :-) 14:11:07 Under Windows 1.60 is also fine for me 14:13:59 Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree 14:14:10 1.60 seems to enable incremental compilation but see no improvement. 14:14:35 later rust buildsfine but for me becuase of the version of linux I build on I get the dreaded unwanted symbol in GLIBC notification. builds work fine though. On the other hand last time a tried building with clang-14 was unsuccessful 14:14:46 2.53 only had backports. Nothing new for central lately. 14:15:38 as usual wish I had more time but 2.53 is really nice lately and just needs better web compatibility. 14:16:11 we need a better web 14:17:00 will not happen. 14:18:48 back to Lynx? 14:19:21 2.53 got lots of build fixes lately. Prio is python 3 compatibility there. 14:21:40 well with dark modes we are already back at the 3270 terminal era so not far away :) 14:22:10 it really depends on how many of these "dark modes" are dark 14:22:14 central is building and 2.57 is stalled so noting new for source. 14:22:47 Release Train 14:23:53 Ready to do 2.53.13b1 14:25:13 IanN did the l10n and I the sec backports. Thanks to Waterfox Classic could pick some there. 14:25:30 Waterfox Classic++ 14:27:34 hopefully 2.53.13b1 will be out by the end of the week# 14:28:08 Extensions Tracking 14:29:46 no changes I think 14:29:57 DTA is still broken unfortunately. For 2.53.14 I might need to remove some more legacy js but then it should stop. for each and some outdated function syntax. need to check the bugs. 14:30:24 And no we don't plan to abandon XUL or classic addons :) 14:30:41 good to hear :D 14:32:01 2.Next, Feature List, Planning & Roundtable 14:32:03 A central build would drop this but it is far far away. And would only be released if web ext cuts it by then. 14:32:40 and we are at a point where I think "web ext" is now possibly ambiguous and has to be versioned? 14:32:40 bau for 2.next ... 14:33:29 yeah, all BAU 14:34:02 manifest v3 and then v4 and who know. This becomes a joke. v3 is garbage at this point from a content blocking standpoint. Only serves google. 14:34:51 Mozilla plans to not fully implement it and a few other thoo but any such add-ons will never make it into the play or ms store. 14:35:49 But we will see in 2023 what comes of it. 14:39:45 AOB? 14:41:11 bau 14:42:57 okay, I'll call this a meeting then. Thanks for your time today. Next meeting in 2 weeks, same bat channel, same bat time 14:43:23 Yo ! 14:44:44 thanks 14:44:55 hi world~ 14:45:01 could barely read you guys this week 14:45:20 as my power company decided to zap my computers yesterday 14:45:56 thankfully, almost all survived... except for my routerbox, so I'm back on a temporary old setup (pls don't hax me) 14:47:42 tomman: power surge? 14:47:57 yup 14:48:12 and on a home that was built without grounding at all (just like 90% of homes here) 14:48:24 had a similar event happen to me in 2014, with even more devastating results 14:48:44 tomman: no earthing circuit? 14:48:54 those are fancy words for home builders here 14:50:50 tomman: and not cheap to rewire the home 14:51:01 basically 14:51:06 tomman: 2 or 3 pin power sockets? 14:51:28 IanN: a mix of both, but useless as the 3rd pin isn't wired 14:51:44 if it's like anything I've seen, ... yeah, that 14:51:46 every single surge protector (and UPS) on this circuit blew up 14:52:08 there was a blackout on the entire block when the surge happened 14:52:11 the fancy sockets everywhere, but of no big use because the third connector isn't 14:52:14 tomman: no easy way to just provide an earth for that socket? 14:52:26 amazingly the circuit breaker tripped... but only after the carnage was done 14:52:58 IanN: I'm thinking on the ghetto way of just dropping a wire from that socket through the window, and dig a hole for a earthing bar or something 14:53:58 still not cheap (need to buy pipes, fittings, and pay someone to dig a hole in the backyard through concrete, etc) 14:54:31 but Something Must Be Done™ - can't afford to be replacing equipment every time there is a blackout because our grid is a bad joke 14:55:02 this time I only lost my routerbox, an UPS, and a laptop charger for my oldest email-only laptop 14:55:14 in 2014 I lost entire systems, TVs, etc. 14:55:22 haven't fully recovered since them 14:55:44 I guess it's finally time to move out my email from that XP laptop :) 14:55:50 which reminds me... 14:56:05 ...are mailboxes compatible between "major" SM releases? 14:56:39 I just finished refurbishing that Thinkpad T40, and while it's still stuck with XP (and SM2.49.5), I also setup modern Debian on it (running latest stable SM) 14:56:52 tomman no. usually a repair works but downgrade not recommended. 14:56:57 so I want to do the same setup I have currently (mailboxes shared between OS) 14:57:05 aw :/ 14:58:11 so basically my only options this time are 1) move to a supported setup (W7/Debian... but I rarely use W7 nowadays), or 2) fully commit to Linux 14:59:13 My SM mail is in a 7 vm. But imap so also in my Linux one. and Server 2016 and 2012 R2 and ... 15:01:39 frg: right now I'm down to two accounts on SM: GMail and Hotmail (aka Outlook) 15:02:07 for now I do a dual XP/ancient Debian shared setup, but the ancient Debian hasn't been used in ages 15:02:30 while for everything else I use my dual W7/latest Debian boxes... on which I boot W7 like, once a year 15:02:40 so I may bite the bullet and just do all my email from Debian 15:03:34 ah, what would be the migration procedure there? I have mailboxes dating back to 2006 15:04:08 well 7 will be finally eol January 2023. Moved my main box to Server 2019 because 8.1 is also eol by then. Now all peachy to 2028 and by that time I can move to Server 2022 15:04:59 tomman latest 2.53.12 should pick up 2.49.5 ones just fine. So go to 2.49.5 first. 15:06:14 frg: the mailboxes are already on 2.49.5 - I want to move them to another machine running 2.53.12 on a completely different profile that has never done email 15:07:26 tomman. Best to copy the 2.49.5 profile and import bookmarks from the 2.53.12 one later. 15:09:19 well, this 2.49.5 profile hasn't done web browsing in ages, and it has edits to point the mailboxes to a separate dir/drive (as only the mailboxes were shared between Win/Linux) 15:09:30 can't even remember how I did that back then 16:37:12 frg_Away: I added a README.txt to both latest-source directoryes on archive.mozilla.org to expalin the layout of the source tarballs 21:17:54 that isn't something I have been called in a very long time 21:17:59 friend of the fish tank 21:18:02 thanks IanN_Away 21:43:46 NewTobinParadigm: well you seem to be more constructive lately. I used to find you antagonistic. I think you have mellowed! 21:44:02 I am Tobin. 21:44:07 :P 21:44:41 but you seem to realize we are trying to do the best we can do, and can not do all you ask becuase we don;t have enough resources to do it. 21:44:54 who does lol 21:45:08 those WITH said resources won't 21:45:14 that is surely clear 21:52:26 frg_Away, IanN_Away: before you came up with that FOFT nomination I was going to say ewong for staying on with me for 1-1/2 hours to get my being able to post .txt files to https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/ 21:52:42 hmm eant this as a private msg oh well